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Need Unbiased Views on SO actions

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TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 02:57

Hi all.
Hope it's ok for a guy to post and ask for unbiased opinions from women, here.

Quick background - I have been with my SO for just over 23 years and have a wonderful teenage boy together, which we are both very proud of and love very much. Over the last few years, I have been suffering from depression and a lot of stress at work - something that has made me very withdrawn and and quiet when at home with SO (I am a teacher and I have found faking enthusiasm and positivity in front of the classes I take for so long exhausting!).

Recently, it all came to a head and I bit the bullet, sought medical advice from my GP and was signed off work for a few months. I knew my mental health was impacting the relationship (I can see how it must be just as hard living with someone with depression as it is for the person suffering the illness, themselves) and was determined to turn over a new leaf and not let my stresses at work destroy my personal life.

Since taking time off, I've made a real effort to pick myself up and address the concerns of my SO. I've been upbeat and chatty, stopped moping around (I used to often sleep in late after staying up at night, drowning my sorrows, alone). I've also been very proactive with things like house work and cooking etc. (these were the main things my SO would , rightly, complain about. She felt we 'led separate lives' and I wanted to fix that.

Anyway, over the Summer, we all had lovely, active camping holidays and really started to enjoy each other's company, again (and also became a lot more affectionate with each other). Alongside this, I started to feel a lot better in terms of my mental health and we both felt things were back on track (or at least heading in the right direction).

However, recently, SO had been invited to her friend's Golden Anniversary party (which was just after the end of our scheduled holidays) I have never met this group of her friends as, as far as I understood it, it was always the girls going out for afternoon tea, them maybe drinks back at one of their houses. I'm fine with this (it's healthy) and I gladly just acted as the taxi driver when needed (dropping SO off and picking her up, often late at night - I would never meet any of the others as SO would say 'Text me when you're outside and I'll come out'.

Over the course of the holidays, I expressed an interest in meeting her friends and I knew some of them brought husbands and boyfriends along on certain evenings (I know some male partners would be invited in to the house when picking up their SOs for a quick chat and a cuppa etc). She said, 'if anything comes up when there are partners involved, I'll let you know.

A few days before the Golden Wedding anniversary party, I noticed the invitation card on the bed side table. It looked a really funny, quirky card (in a good way) so I opened it up to have a read. My heart sank when I noticed her invitation had 'and guest'/+1 written after her name. I tried to keep my cool for days and just dropped hints like asking about/paying interest in her friends, saying the venue looks lovely and that I was jealous there was a buffet there (love a good buffet!) and that I was at a loose end that night (son was over my parents) and that I didn't want to be alone and wanted to be around people, if possible. I even bought some roses for the couple as a gift for my SO to take with her.

Anyway, no reaction - she was very cagey about the whole thing untill I couldn't take it anymore and confronted her, showing the card and pointing out the +1. We discussed at length - she didn't invite me as, at the time of invite, I was in my pit of depression and she felt we weren't getting along. When I said, 'well, we've been getting on great, recently?' she said, 'I can't change it now at this late notice and the host has already mentioned the numbers are getting high'. I pleaded with her to just try and see if it was still ok for me to come. I thought this would be good because she mentioned our 'separate lives' upsetting her in the past so thought this would be a way of joining us up a bit (and I thought excluding would make the situation worse - especially in a wedding anniversary party, where you celebrate partnership and relationships).

She emailed the host and it was fine for me to come, so all good! (Although I still didn't feel great about it because I had to coax it out of her). The party and the people were lovely and it was great to meet everyone. However, a few revelations put me on the spot, a little. The hosts commented that it was nice of me to come and that they 'don't see much of me at these get togethers'. In fact, they had never met me, before! I made the excuse that this was the first night that we managed to find a baby sitter! It also became apparent that SO had discussed my mental health issues with this group of friends - people that, untill this night, were complete strangers to me!

So, and sorry for the vast preamble - am I justified in being really upset by all this?

We've chatted since (SO and I) and she maintains that it's only recently become a couples thing and that she didn't invite me to the get togethers as it 'was her escape of having to deal with my mental health issues. But it seemed clear, to me that all the couples knew each other very well (although SO did say, if I knew we'd be getting on when she got the invite, she would have asked me to come).

But with so many of the things that has upset me about all this, she is still being very cagey and not admitting any fault (she may not be at fault - that's for you guys to decide!). When I said the host said he hasn't seen much of me in these get togethers (never, in truth), SO said, 'Well I haven't been to many, either!', ignoring the fact that whilst meant he hasn't seen me as much in comparison to her.

I asked her if she'd divulged anything regarding my mental health to her friends and she said no. I then said, 'sorry, I should say "what have you said" because it's clear from taking to them that they know about me". She played this down and said that she may have mentioned, in passing, that I'm taking some time off work. I asked her she thought it was ok to share that with other people and she seemed indifferent, so I politely asked if she could, from now on, not discuss my private matters with others, please.

What does everyone think? Should I be worried? I get that she wanted time away from me but still feel really left out and excluded (when I've tried so hard to be inclusive in this period of rebuilding the relationship - and prior, for that matter, as I've always wanted my friends to be her friends).

Why is she being so cagey and like she's done nothing wrong?

Please help! All opinions welcome!

PS I really loved her and want us to be together, happy forever.

Thank you in advance for any responses x

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Aquamarine1029 · 05/09/2022 03:16

I get that she wanted time away from me but still feel really left out and excluded

Your wife felt left out and excluded for years when you weren't doing anything to deal with your depression, and these friends have undoubtedly been a lifeline for her to cope. Do you think your wife should have just suffered in silence all of these years and not sought support from her friends? You are being incredibly self-absorbed here, and your wife has every right to have friendships that don't include you.

TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 03:27

I do get that and thank you for the response. I have no qualms about being excluded when I was in my depression pit - it's more the recent events that I have been excluded from (and invitations kept from me) since I have now addressed (and maintain to address) my mental health and we both agree that we're getting on great! Could that just be habit/a pattern we've fallen into (as in going out with that crowd is her thing?) . I'd be fine with that, too. I was a little concerned that she was nervous of having me there as it would make it awkward for her, as she may have been sounding off about about me!

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Aquamarine1029 · 05/09/2022 03:37

I think you're failing to realise that while you may be over your "depression pit", your wife is not. Her faith in you, along with her own self-esteem and self-worth, was probably severely tested for quite a long time.

You need to give her the space she needs and respect her boundaries. You are making this all about you, and it's not.

CrustyCrotch · 05/09/2022 03:39

That is what good women friends do, though; support each other with their life problems.

It's much the same as people posting on here, except your SO has used real life people.

Unfortunately, you were causing her problems, and she must have wondered whether it was worth continuing the relationship at times, and has no doubt used her friends as sounding boards.

TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 03:43

You're right, as this has come up in our conversations. I will give it more time. We've both said that things are great, now but I can see she still must be nervous to let her guard down. I think it's the hiding of certain details that got me - saying it's girls only when clearly a couples event etc. We both had a wonderful evening together in the end and I just thought, from the start that would be healthier than maintaining the separation.

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TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 03:48

Thanks for the response - just to be clear, I'd be fine with her gaining support from her girlfriends - this was about her going out partying / enjoying herself when most of the gang were in couples.

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TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 03:51

(but telling me they were girls only nights)

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TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 04:02

Plus hiding the fact that her friends had invited me to come along!

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littlemisscreative · 05/09/2022 04:05

I'm going against the grain here.

I think she shouldn't of lied and been straight up and tell you exactly why she doesn’t want to invite you etc without lieing about girls only night.

she absolutely has the right to have a group of friends as sounding boards to support her etc and unfortunately your being rather self absorbed about your mh she is also going through it by supporting you and being in a relationship and does need help too.

I think you need to continue to focus on your recovery.

TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 04:12

Thank you - this is all very useful! I will continue to work on myself and the relationship, of course. I just thought I'd ask, here, as I know she just wants to park it and move on (so I don't want to stress her out by going over it and unpicking the situation with her, anymore). I'm "part of the gang", now, so I am looking forward to seeing her friends again, as a couple.

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CrustyCrotch · 05/09/2022 04:13

Perhaps she is afraid that some details will come out that might jeopardise what you are now working on and send you back down in a pit again?

She has probably talked about the possibility of leaving you at some point, she may have talked about your sex life.

Not very nice for you, admittedly, but as things improve between you, she will also talk about that, and how she is glad she stayed, how much she fancies you again, if it's any consolation.

TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 04:21

Yes, I did consider that in regards to being nervous of details coming out but I'm not worried that amount of detail came out! These were light, fun gatherings with boys and girls there and she is very reserved and diplomatic (I may be completely wrong there, of course!!). I also doubt she would have chosen to dampen the mood of the evenings to that extent, too and bring the mood down (again, just my feeling)

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CrustyCrotch · 05/09/2022 04:36

It could be any number of things I suppose, but that is the danger of checking yourself out of a relationship.

She obviously has needed more, and you were unable or unwilling to give her that for some time.

It would be easy to think of think of many reasons (I have thought perhaps she has taken another +1 along at times as the worst) but you are now back on track, so it's best to focus on moving forward and appreciating that you have both weathered a storm and are still together.

QueenCamilla · 05/09/2022 04:46

You might be "part of the gang" now but please don't coax her into taking you along to every event with her mates now. Let it come from her.

Allow her to fully rebuild trust in you first (and that will take time! ) before pushing this newly found coupledom out in the public.
She's probably not sure yet how permanent your MH improvements are and is worried about appearing erratic to her friends - she'd be confiding about how tough it is one week, then there you both are all loved up and getting along, then the next month you're gone down with the dark clouds again.

You're just starting a relationship with your family again. Focus on that fully.

TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 05:25

For aure- I wouldn't expect (or want to) go along to every event. For one , it would be problematic with child care! Of course I will wait to be asked and just hope she will when all the other hubbies are coming along, too.

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TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 05:26

Agreed

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Shoxfordian · 05/09/2022 06:27

She’s probably needed these friends as support when you weren’t well and she of course spoke to them about her concerns for you. She’s probably also used to you not being the man who comes with her to stuff or wants to socialise with her so declining on your behalf is her usual.

Give it time, keep up the communication and I hope the medication or therapy you’re having for the depression continues to work - be kind to her and to yourself and you’ll carry on being closer. It won’t resolve itself overnight but be patient with her and with yourself as well.

itsnotmeitsdefinitelyyou · 05/09/2022 08:40

No you're not 'part of the gang' now, you railroaded your partner into allowing you to come to the party.

Most of your post gives me the ick.
As PPs have said you sound incredibly self-absorbed and it's all about what you're doing and what you want. What about what your partner wants? Her actions made it clear she didn't want you there and like a pleading child you coaxed and wheedled until she agreed. Shameful.

She's fully entitled to keep this group of friends to herself. And entitled to get her marriage woes off her chest with good friends who will have been there to support her in the many many years that you were not. The fact that you're embarrassed her friends know about your behaviour is on you, but good for you in getting help and making changes.

A lot of damage will have been sustained over the years and you cannot expect to reverse that in a 'few good months'. Give your partner space and time to see consistent changes in your behaviour and maybe sometime in the future she will happily invite you along to events that SHE WANTS YOU to come to.

Hoppinggreen · 05/09/2022 08:45

She needed support while she was supporting you through your MH problems and this is where she got it.
Its good that you feel better now but damage has been done and neither cam pretend it doesn’t - hopefully it’s just bruised rather than broken.
You were BU pushing to go to this party, if she wanted you there she would have invited you

Hoppinggreen · 05/09/2022 08:46

TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 04:12

Thank you - this is all very useful! I will continue to work on myself and the relationship, of course. I just thought I'd ask, here, as I know she just wants to park it and move on (so I don't want to stress her out by going over it and unpicking the situation with her, anymore). I'm "part of the gang", now, so I am looking forward to seeing her friends again, as a couple.

Is she also looking forward to that?

TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 09:00

Thank you and yes, I'm happy to give this time and am in this for the long haul!

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ChrisTrepidation · 05/09/2022 09:03

You're not 'part of the gang' though. She didn't want you there and you wheedled her into letting you come!

TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 09:03

It's not my behaviour that I was embarrassed about - that wasn't shared, as far as I know. It's more the mental illness stuff as although we know it's "ok not to be ok", there's still a stigma attached.

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TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 09:08

I'm hoping so yes - she did say she was glad I came in the end (and said this before we attended, too) and had a lovely time. 🤞

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ChrisTrepidation · 05/09/2022 09:10

But who was she supposed to turn for to get support during your MH issues if not her friends?

You've admitted yourself that you were no support to her. Was she just supposed to suffer in silence?

My ex husband developed severe MH before eventually fucking off and leaving. If I hadn't been able to talk to my best friends about it I would have lost my mind as well! Women turn to their friends for support. It is completely normal and YABU to be upset with her for it!

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