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Need Unbiased Views on SO actions

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TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 02:57

Hi all.
Hope it's ok for a guy to post and ask for unbiased opinions from women, here.

Quick background - I have been with my SO for just over 23 years and have a wonderful teenage boy together, which we are both very proud of and love very much. Over the last few years, I have been suffering from depression and a lot of stress at work - something that has made me very withdrawn and and quiet when at home with SO (I am a teacher and I have found faking enthusiasm and positivity in front of the classes I take for so long exhausting!).

Recently, it all came to a head and I bit the bullet, sought medical advice from my GP and was signed off work for a few months. I knew my mental health was impacting the relationship (I can see how it must be just as hard living with someone with depression as it is for the person suffering the illness, themselves) and was determined to turn over a new leaf and not let my stresses at work destroy my personal life.

Since taking time off, I've made a real effort to pick myself up and address the concerns of my SO. I've been upbeat and chatty, stopped moping around (I used to often sleep in late after staying up at night, drowning my sorrows, alone). I've also been very proactive with things like house work and cooking etc. (these were the main things my SO would , rightly, complain about. She felt we 'led separate lives' and I wanted to fix that.

Anyway, over the Summer, we all had lovely, active camping holidays and really started to enjoy each other's company, again (and also became a lot more affectionate with each other). Alongside this, I started to feel a lot better in terms of my mental health and we both felt things were back on track (or at least heading in the right direction).

However, recently, SO had been invited to her friend's Golden Anniversary party (which was just after the end of our scheduled holidays) I have never met this group of her friends as, as far as I understood it, it was always the girls going out for afternoon tea, them maybe drinks back at one of their houses. I'm fine with this (it's healthy) and I gladly just acted as the taxi driver when needed (dropping SO off and picking her up, often late at night - I would never meet any of the others as SO would say 'Text me when you're outside and I'll come out'.

Over the course of the holidays, I expressed an interest in meeting her friends and I knew some of them brought husbands and boyfriends along on certain evenings (I know some male partners would be invited in to the house when picking up their SOs for a quick chat and a cuppa etc). She said, 'if anything comes up when there are partners involved, I'll let you know.

A few days before the Golden Wedding anniversary party, I noticed the invitation card on the bed side table. It looked a really funny, quirky card (in a good way) so I opened it up to have a read. My heart sank when I noticed her invitation had 'and guest'/+1 written after her name. I tried to keep my cool for days and just dropped hints like asking about/paying interest in her friends, saying the venue looks lovely and that I was jealous there was a buffet there (love a good buffet!) and that I was at a loose end that night (son was over my parents) and that I didn't want to be alone and wanted to be around people, if possible. I even bought some roses for the couple as a gift for my SO to take with her.

Anyway, no reaction - she was very cagey about the whole thing untill I couldn't take it anymore and confronted her, showing the card and pointing out the +1. We discussed at length - she didn't invite me as, at the time of invite, I was in my pit of depression and she felt we weren't getting along. When I said, 'well, we've been getting on great, recently?' she said, 'I can't change it now at this late notice and the host has already mentioned the numbers are getting high'. I pleaded with her to just try and see if it was still ok for me to come. I thought this would be good because she mentioned our 'separate lives' upsetting her in the past so thought this would be a way of joining us up a bit (and I thought excluding would make the situation worse - especially in a wedding anniversary party, where you celebrate partnership and relationships).

She emailed the host and it was fine for me to come, so all good! (Although I still didn't feel great about it because I had to coax it out of her). The party and the people were lovely and it was great to meet everyone. However, a few revelations put me on the spot, a little. The hosts commented that it was nice of me to come and that they 'don't see much of me at these get togethers'. In fact, they had never met me, before! I made the excuse that this was the first night that we managed to find a baby sitter! It also became apparent that SO had discussed my mental health issues with this group of friends - people that, untill this night, were complete strangers to me!

So, and sorry for the vast preamble - am I justified in being really upset by all this?

We've chatted since (SO and I) and she maintains that it's only recently become a couples thing and that she didn't invite me to the get togethers as it 'was her escape of having to deal with my mental health issues. But it seemed clear, to me that all the couples knew each other very well (although SO did say, if I knew we'd be getting on when she got the invite, she would have asked me to come).

But with so many of the things that has upset me about all this, she is still being very cagey and not admitting any fault (she may not be at fault - that's for you guys to decide!). When I said the host said he hasn't seen much of me in these get togethers (never, in truth), SO said, 'Well I haven't been to many, either!', ignoring the fact that whilst meant he hasn't seen me as much in comparison to her.

I asked her if she'd divulged anything regarding my mental health to her friends and she said no. I then said, 'sorry, I should say "what have you said" because it's clear from taking to them that they know about me". She played this down and said that she may have mentioned, in passing, that I'm taking some time off work. I asked her she thought it was ok to share that with other people and she seemed indifferent, so I politely asked if she could, from now on, not discuss my private matters with others, please.

What does everyone think? Should I be worried? I get that she wanted time away from me but still feel really left out and excluded (when I've tried so hard to be inclusive in this period of rebuilding the relationship - and prior, for that matter, as I've always wanted my friends to be her friends).

Why is she being so cagey and like she's done nothing wrong?

Please help! All opinions welcome!

PS I really loved her and want us to be together, happy forever.

Thank you in advance for any responses x

OP posts:
SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 05/09/2022 20:34

These are her friends that she has relied on for support through your mental health issues. Try making your own fucking friends - you are not automatically entitled to hers.

Flashinglights234 · 05/09/2022 21:01

I can’t cope with the amount of parenthesis.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 10:02

Haha! Didn't think of that! That's exactly how I felt, at the time, as I wanted to maintain the fun times we've been having together over the past few months. Having said that, I do take on board what the other posters are saying and can see both sides. We've had another chat, now that I have more insight from a female perspective and things are looking even more positive for the future . Thanks for your response.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 10:10

For context, it's wasn't about hanging out with her friends, alone. I wouldn't want to go, anyway, if it was just her friends (I'd probably get bored with just the ladies). This was about events where all her friends brought their other halves with them but I was not asked by my partner.

Cherchezlaspice · 06/09/2022 10:27

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 10:10

For context, it's wasn't about hanging out with her friends, alone. I wouldn't want to go, anyway, if it was just her friends (I'd probably get bored with just the ladies). This was about events where all her friends brought their other halves with them but I was not asked by my partner.

We all got the context. She didn’t ask you because she didn’t want you there. As is her right. How is it possible that you are STILL not getting this?

This isn’t about a woman’s perspective. It’s about you being self absorbed.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 10:30

Terms like bullying and badgering have been used many times in this string. There is none of that in our relationship. Of course, we do argue from time to time but we're equals and respect each other. She's no pushover - probably stronger and tougher than me, as many of our mutual friends point out! And I'm fine with that, by the way! 😀

Cherchezlaspice · 06/09/2022 10:35

Your behaviour, as described in your own words, is bullying and badgering behaviour. The ‘hints’, ‘confronting’ her, not taking no for an answer and ‘pleading’ with her to ask the host if you could come. That is all bullying and badgering behaviour. And it is not acceptable.

Your wife’s ‘strength and toughness’ is irrelevant to the fact that you behaved poorly and are self absorbed.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 10:35

🤣 Sorry (about that).

PS - had to create a new account as I signed off, yesterday, having felt I got what I needed out of the post. This is why there is a '2' after my handle, now. Thank you ALL for your contributions. It has really helped.

drinkfeck · 06/09/2022 10:41

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 10:35

🤣 Sorry (about that).

PS - had to create a new account as I signed off, yesterday, having felt I got what I needed out of the post. This is why there is a '2' after my handle, now. Thank you ALL for your contributions. It has really helped.

God help your wife

Your responses today remain tone deaf.

Send her here. We'd love to chat to her.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 10:41

I think this may be down to semantics. I'm a creative person and I probably go over the top with my use of descriptive words!

After our most recent heart-to-heart convo (with me being informed by all the opinions on this thread) we both agreed that we sometimes aren't the best at communicating with each other. And no, these are not words that I put in her mouth but something she offered into the discussion, freely (and I agreed I was at fault, too).

drinkfeck · 06/09/2022 10:44

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 10:41

I think this may be down to semantics. I'm a creative person and I probably go over the top with my use of descriptive words!

After our most recent heart-to-heart convo (with me being informed by all the opinions on this thread) we both agreed that we sometimes aren't the best at communicating with each other. And no, these are not words that I put in her mouth but something she offered into the discussion, freely (and I agreed I was at fault, too).

It's not the communication people are talking about. It's the bullying and controlling from you.

Did you mention that?

Cherchezlaspice · 06/09/2022 10:50

‘Use of descriptive words’. Lord help us. This man cannot actually engage with what is being said to him. I can only imagine what it must be like to be married to him and having these endless ‘chats’.

His poor poor wife.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 11:00

But, respectfully, that was the whole point of posting - I was upset that she didn't want me there when she RSVPd back in late Spring. She is now happy I came and has said that she was regretting not extending the invite in the lead up to the event (which was recent) as things were good between us. And before anyone says, she didn't 'have to say that'. She's speaks her mind and is no placate. She's better than that.

OldFan · 06/09/2022 11:01

I liked your attitude towards trying to improve yourself and your relationship @TryingToSelfBetter , but by the second half of the post you come across as controlling and invasive.

You effectively pushed your SO into inviting you to something (you pretty much invited yourself.)

With sharing the mental health stuff, I know it can seem inappropriate but you acknowledge earlier in the post that you realize it's hard to live with someone with mental health issues.

A spouse being able to confide in her friends can be a good safety valve, therapeutic for them and probably helps the marriage really as it helps them get by.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 11:01

Last night, she asked me to talk to her more often about these things. 🤣

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 11:13

My invite came from the host so I didn't invite myself - it's just that I never saw it (till the last minute as the envelope only had her name on it).

We talked about the 'discussing my mental issues with others' thing and I have conceded that it's fine, now, as I know she does it in a concerned and caring way. In retrospect, this was evident in the event as her friends, who clearly knew of my issues, were very welcoming and supportive and offered some sound advice.

This thread has also reinforced my understanding that it's ok for her to do that in terms of her gaining support from friends and having a neutral ear to sound off to. I think hyper vigilance and paranoia is probably a symptom of my poor mh - something I will continue to address and work on in the future.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 11:18

She doesn't get bullied by anyone and I couldn't control her even if I tried (and have no interest in doing so). You're not giving her enough credit!

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 11:19

Thanks all for the opinions, both supportive and critical. It's been useful. Onwards and upwards. X

drinkfeck · 06/09/2022 11:21

The host didn't invite you! They didn't know who you were.

You were a plus one

And even when you found out and wheedled and pleaded and cajoled or whatever creative words you want to use - she didn't want you to come.

But you didn't accept no means no.

You carried on. Bulldozing her.

Seriously. Send her here. I'd love to hear her side of the story.

FatAnneTheDealer · 06/09/2022 11:26

She’s acting like she did nothing wrong, because she did nothing wrong.

You we’re apparently unwell and withdrawn when the invitation came, so she did not include you in the acceptance. When you got better and indicated you wanted to come, even though it was quite embarrassing to ask if an extra guest can attend at late notice, she asked. You both went and had a good time.

It is perfectly reasonable for her to have sought support from her friends while you were unwell. Even harder than dealing with someone with mental health issues, is dealing with someone with those issues who refuses to seek help for themselves and instead withdraws. It is good that she had friends to support her and your request that she does not talk to them about something that impacts her life so much is unreasonable. That’s not how friendships work. You should be glad that she sought and received that support, because the alternative may have been leaving you or having a breakdown herself.

(I don’t agree that you bullied her - but it does sound like she needed a fair bit of convincing that it would be a good idea to include you - and hopefully she will again the next time the get together is couple focussed.)

OldFan · 06/09/2022 11:40

My invite came from the host so I didn't invite myself - it's just that I never saw it (till the last minute as the envelope only had her name on it).

A +1 on an invite just means the host is open to someone bringing a +1, anyone of their choosing if they want to, or not if they don't.

It doesn't mean you personally have an invite.

It was your SO's choice who she invited to come with her, or not.

She had chosen not to invite you, but you pleaded Shock with her to come somewhere where you weren't wanted by her.

Kind of sad really.

Don't you have your own friends you can hang out with, @TryingToSelfBetter2 ?

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 11:41

Thank you for the response and I agree with you. When I said I was withdrawn, I meant in terms of my personality and mood - not in terms of withdrawing from seeking help. From the onset of my mh issues and stresses, I've seeked and gained support from my Trade Union, my GP, the Chaplaincy at work as well as our in-house counselling service. But most valuable of all is the support I've had from my beautiful, lovely partner, for which I am eternally grateful.

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 11:44

Seriously - last post! To be specific in regards to the +1, what else could 'Hubby Welcomed' mean?

OldFan · 06/09/2022 11:47

Hubby welcome, if the person receiving the invite (as you say, it was her invite so addressed to her) chooses to bring them.

It's not a personal invitation to you from the host.

GreenManalishi · 06/09/2022 12:16

You say you're upset by her actions and don't seem to be able to accept that you did pressure her and railroad her into taking you with her,

showing the card and pointing out the +1. We discussed at length. She knew what was written in the card, it didn't need pointing out, nor discussing at length. You don't mention what the discussion entailed, but was it perhaps you saying please, and her saying no thanks?

I pleaded with her to just try and see if it was still ok for me to come. I thought this would be good. Nope, you're not listening.

I still didn't feel great about it because I had to coax it out of her. This is on you, read the room.

During the several years that you were depressed your wife developed a supportive social circle that probably got her through what would have been a really difficult period. Now you're back in the room and ready to party you feel like you can hop onto the bandwagon, when she is clearly and repeatedly showing you that this is not what she wants. Yet, still you persist and are upset that this is not what she wants.

She's being cagey because she's probably rightly furious with you for railroading her and not being able to accept that she didn't want you there. You could push this but her reasons probably wouldn't make you feel any less upset. She's being kind and buttoning her lip.

Of course they know about you. And how could she spend time with friends for years and not mention you were suffering with depression and had recently been signed off work. Do you really feel it's reasonable for her not to be able to mention it? It's massive!

I'd suggest you respect her wishes from now on, and don't force your way into a party with your wife, or anyone else or that matter, it's never going to turn out well. Hopefully that's a lesson learned. Concentrate on your own social circle, invite her along if you feel like it and organise some things for the two of you. You've got some work to do to rebuild.