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Need Unbiased Views on SO actions

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TryingToSelfBetter · 05/09/2022 02:57

Hi all.
Hope it's ok for a guy to post and ask for unbiased opinions from women, here.

Quick background - I have been with my SO for just over 23 years and have a wonderful teenage boy together, which we are both very proud of and love very much. Over the last few years, I have been suffering from depression and a lot of stress at work - something that has made me very withdrawn and and quiet when at home with SO (I am a teacher and I have found faking enthusiasm and positivity in front of the classes I take for so long exhausting!).

Recently, it all came to a head and I bit the bullet, sought medical advice from my GP and was signed off work for a few months. I knew my mental health was impacting the relationship (I can see how it must be just as hard living with someone with depression as it is for the person suffering the illness, themselves) and was determined to turn over a new leaf and not let my stresses at work destroy my personal life.

Since taking time off, I've made a real effort to pick myself up and address the concerns of my SO. I've been upbeat and chatty, stopped moping around (I used to often sleep in late after staying up at night, drowning my sorrows, alone). I've also been very proactive with things like house work and cooking etc. (these were the main things my SO would , rightly, complain about. She felt we 'led separate lives' and I wanted to fix that.

Anyway, over the Summer, we all had lovely, active camping holidays and really started to enjoy each other's company, again (and also became a lot more affectionate with each other). Alongside this, I started to feel a lot better in terms of my mental health and we both felt things were back on track (or at least heading in the right direction).

However, recently, SO had been invited to her friend's Golden Anniversary party (which was just after the end of our scheduled holidays) I have never met this group of her friends as, as far as I understood it, it was always the girls going out for afternoon tea, them maybe drinks back at one of their houses. I'm fine with this (it's healthy) and I gladly just acted as the taxi driver when needed (dropping SO off and picking her up, often late at night - I would never meet any of the others as SO would say 'Text me when you're outside and I'll come out'.

Over the course of the holidays, I expressed an interest in meeting her friends and I knew some of them brought husbands and boyfriends along on certain evenings (I know some male partners would be invited in to the house when picking up their SOs for a quick chat and a cuppa etc). She said, 'if anything comes up when there are partners involved, I'll let you know.

A few days before the Golden Wedding anniversary party, I noticed the invitation card on the bed side table. It looked a really funny, quirky card (in a good way) so I opened it up to have a read. My heart sank when I noticed her invitation had 'and guest'/+1 written after her name. I tried to keep my cool for days and just dropped hints like asking about/paying interest in her friends, saying the venue looks lovely and that I was jealous there was a buffet there (love a good buffet!) and that I was at a loose end that night (son was over my parents) and that I didn't want to be alone and wanted to be around people, if possible. I even bought some roses for the couple as a gift for my SO to take with her.

Anyway, no reaction - she was very cagey about the whole thing untill I couldn't take it anymore and confronted her, showing the card and pointing out the +1. We discussed at length - she didn't invite me as, at the time of invite, I was in my pit of depression and she felt we weren't getting along. When I said, 'well, we've been getting on great, recently?' she said, 'I can't change it now at this late notice and the host has already mentioned the numbers are getting high'. I pleaded with her to just try and see if it was still ok for me to come. I thought this would be good because she mentioned our 'separate lives' upsetting her in the past so thought this would be a way of joining us up a bit (and I thought excluding would make the situation worse - especially in a wedding anniversary party, where you celebrate partnership and relationships).

She emailed the host and it was fine for me to come, so all good! (Although I still didn't feel great about it because I had to coax it out of her). The party and the people were lovely and it was great to meet everyone. However, a few revelations put me on the spot, a little. The hosts commented that it was nice of me to come and that they 'don't see much of me at these get togethers'. In fact, they had never met me, before! I made the excuse that this was the first night that we managed to find a baby sitter! It also became apparent that SO had discussed my mental health issues with this group of friends - people that, untill this night, were complete strangers to me!

So, and sorry for the vast preamble - am I justified in being really upset by all this?

We've chatted since (SO and I) and she maintains that it's only recently become a couples thing and that she didn't invite me to the get togethers as it 'was her escape of having to deal with my mental health issues. But it seemed clear, to me that all the couples knew each other very well (although SO did say, if I knew we'd be getting on when she got the invite, she would have asked me to come).

But with so many of the things that has upset me about all this, she is still being very cagey and not admitting any fault (she may not be at fault - that's for you guys to decide!). When I said the host said he hasn't seen much of me in these get togethers (never, in truth), SO said, 'Well I haven't been to many, either!', ignoring the fact that whilst meant he hasn't seen me as much in comparison to her.

I asked her if she'd divulged anything regarding my mental health to her friends and she said no. I then said, 'sorry, I should say "what have you said" because it's clear from taking to them that they know about me". She played this down and said that she may have mentioned, in passing, that I'm taking some time off work. I asked her she thought it was ok to share that with other people and she seemed indifferent, so I politely asked if she could, from now on, not discuss my private matters with others, please.

What does everyone think? Should I be worried? I get that she wanted time away from me but still feel really left out and excluded (when I've tried so hard to be inclusive in this period of rebuilding the relationship - and prior, for that matter, as I've always wanted my friends to be her friends).

Why is she being so cagey and like she's done nothing wrong?

Please help! All opinions welcome!

PS I really loved her and want us to be together, happy forever.

Thank you in advance for any responses x

OP posts:
FatAnneTheDealer · 06/09/2022 12:25

Your original post says that you have been suffering from depression for “a few years” where you became “very quiet and withdrawn at home”, and that you have only recently sought medical help.

Those years will have been very tough on your partner and she will have needed to develop coping strategies of her own - for her own self preservation. She almost certainly took a while to develop those strategies - which almost certainly included nurturing her own social life outside the family - you can’t just expect her to dump those strategies because you are starting to feel better. It takes time.

You won’t get very far until you stop this new (since you started this thread) “fault on both sides” attitude and accept that, at least in the incidents you have shared, she has done nothing wrong and is not being “cagey”.

It is possible that there needs to be improvement on both sides, but your first step, which you do not yet to seem to have taken, is to recognize the toll your illness has taken on your partner, and the effect it has had on her.

AryaStarkWolf · 06/09/2022 12:35

YABU, this was the life and happiness she carved out for herself when you couldn't/wouldn't meet those needs for her. It won't all just magically fall back into place just because you've finally addressed your issues and you are wrong to make such impatient demands on her now.

Pixiedust1234 · 06/09/2022 14:07

TryingToSelfBetter2 · 06/09/2022 11:00

But, respectfully, that was the whole point of posting - I was upset that she didn't want me there when she RSVPd back in late Spring. She is now happy I came and has said that she was regretting not extending the invite in the lead up to the event (which was recent) as things were good between us. And before anyone says, she didn't 'have to say that'. She's speaks her mind and is no placate. She's better than that.

She regretted not asking you at the time because

  1. You would have said no due to depression. She goes alone.
  1. SO is now having to deal with a whiny, needy person who won't take no for an answer. You've chipped away at her so she's given in rather than keep saying no to the toddler. All these chats where she's now giving in and agreeing with you....which you are gleefully posting about because "you were right, she now acknowledges that" You are emotionally abusing her ffs. Grow up!
TheOriginalClownfish · 06/09/2022 16:13

It's great that you sought help. But it's still all about you. When are you going to start considering how your wife was affected by firstly your ill health and now she's having her life turned upside down by your recovery and she can't do anything right by you it seems.

While my H doesn't have depression, he does have social anxiety and while I'm ok now to rock up on my own when he used to bail on me at the last minute, I am actually a bit of an introvert myself and it took a LOT of effort on my part to steel myself to joining all the other couples without a wingman and having to trot out lame excuses. After a few years the excuses wear thin so I tell the truth now - that DH doesn't like social gatherings. Why should I have to lie after all?
I've my own circle of friends now that I've built up over the years and he's more than happy to be left at home. I know what things he's likely to feel comfortable going to - weddings, funerals and his family gatherings, and anything else I assume I'm going solo.

If he turned around after years of this and all of a sudden berated me for not including him, or getting all butt hurt about being left out, and expecting that I and my friends and wider circle instantly accommodate him, gatecrashing my friendships, my circle and giving me grief that my friends didn't know him I'd take his fucking head off at the sheer cheek of him.

Notbeinfunnehbut · 06/09/2022 17:58

This is the problem with slagging off your OH to your friends

im not talking about a conversation in confidence with a trusted friend but it appeared they knew quite a lot which isn’t great as those are always very one sided conversation with no accountability

she’s probably made you look very bad and it’s now awkward, I can’t completely understand her need for support and people with depression are very difficult to live with

I do agree that being completely ostracised is hurtful though is there any real future in this relationship?

Notbeinfunnehbut · 06/09/2022 17:59

That should say I can completely understand her need for support

Westernesse · 06/09/2022 18:11

her explanation was absolutely fine, as was her discussing her troubles with her friends.

I think you are out of order with all the manipulative hinting prior to being invited along and then actually making your partner contact the host and have you added to the event.

I would count my blessings if I were you and keep building from here.

OldFan · 06/09/2022 18:33

I think you are out of order with all the manipulative hinting

Not hinting, Westie. Pleading 😱

Westernesse · 12/09/2022 20:48

OldFan · 06/09/2022 18:33

I think you are out of order with all the manipulative hinting

Not hinting, Westie. Pleading 😱

Indeed. Utterly horrendous

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