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Toxic parents? WWYD

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Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 11:36

Long term user, new account to post an issue that’s been troubling me for a long time. On one hand I think it’s narcissism, control and manipulation; and on the other I’m so confused as to what the hell this is. It is bloody toxic though.

It concerns my parents, primarily my mother, and more recently, my father (although perhaps it’s always been both). I don’t want to drip feed too much or be to revealing, but their behaviour has struck something in me recently that I no longer want to engage as it’s never positive for me, or fosters any love or support ie not conductive to a good outcome. I’ve been more troubled by guilt recently on this as DH and I are emigrating. DH has recently lost his mother and is of the opinion I should see them before I go etc so I can be the morally righteous one, not have regrets should anything happen etc. however…

My parents have been hellish. Most of my life, however we have functioned, or mainly I accepted the control and manipulation. Now I’m a lot older, wiser, I see them and their nonsense and I don’t have time for it.

Some recent examples are hellish messages I’ve received from my mother and volumes of vitriol all centred around how I DARED to elope to get married (lol) and how difficult it is for THEM, and how we have not ACCEPTED PRESENTS from their friends and family. To be clear, we are private people, who don’t want a fuss, didn’t invite anyone and want people to spend their own money on themselves. We are acutely aware times are hard, hence we graciously declined peoples generosity, but this wasn’t enough for my mother. The same mother who persistently sent me ‘mother of the bride’ outfit pictures of ‘what she would have worn, had she been invited’. The same mother who didn’t congratulate me or my new DH on the day of the wedding or thereafter. Not even a card. Parents are furious I didn’t have the wedding of the century, and that they couldn’t shout about it on Facebook etc. Far be it their concern their only daughter should actually marry someone she loves, you know, for the right reasons! That doesn’t matter to them though;

I stupidly tried to engage them in advance of eloping out of respect and they made it all about them. Over FaceTime they cried, raged, but never once said they were happy for us. They then ignored both DH and I and the imminent wedding in all subsequent comms. I’ve not seen them
since April and have no desire to. We married shortly thereafter. Parents notably absent in the nice messages of congratulations we received, cards, genuinely people happy for us - that’s all we asked.

The latest in a long line of abuse has come with the fore mentioned string of vitriol and rage you could expect from the narcissist that is being ignored. I suspect my mother is a narcissist and my father an enabler. When my mother kicks off, I just ignore her. No point in engaging. Well she raged, continuously on message, managing to bring my DH into matters to guilt trip me for daring not to reply to her latest outbursts centred around me not complying with her demands, essentially. She starts: ‘does DH know you are ignoring your mother’ etc.

Then I get the messages from father ‘speak to your mother’. I ask him if he knows why I’m not speaking with her to which he replies no, and neither does she. I then tell him it’s the way she treats me and messages she sends and he says he’s read them and ‘what’s the issue’. The issue is that the messages essentially say ‘what is wrong with you, why are you refusing gifts, this is difficult for us as parents’ (it has nothing to do with them, it’s my life); and ‘answer me, one day you will be sorry’ (of course the latter is the threat about her dying and I should feel guilty for not accepting her shit, like this is my fault. When all that fails, she tries the heartstrings by bringing DH into it so he can know what a terrible person his wife is..

So my father refuses to see that both my mother and his behaviour is completely out of order by extension by closing ranks and thinking that’s acceptable. My difficulty now is we are emigrating. My father is very troubled by this and can’t understand why we won’t see them/don’t come to see them and in fact following up my ignoring of both parents after my father refused to see the issue with a question of why do I not come to see them. Why would I want to? They’ve never once said they’re happy for me/us, only offer negativity and are deeply bitter and troubled people. I just want to live my life and be happy. They bring me down so much.

I feel a bit guilt tripped by the move and DH saying I should see them. I don’t know what to do anymore. I know if I’m stupid enough to reply it just escalates. I said to my father before I cut off his comms that mother should apologise and not repeat that, he doesn’t see the issue. If I re-engage I feel like I’m condoning their nonsense and so, the cycle repeats.

I am utterly done with the frustration of this, the guilt and heartbreak. They aren’t what I want and I’m clearly not what they want. We are no good to one another. DH on the one hand tells me he can’t stand seeing me upset about it all the time and indulging it and to walk away which I have done; and on the other that I should see them before we emigrate. Which fucking is it? I can’t win. DH even floated the idea of one big ‘last family Christmas’ with both families before we leave wtf. I said don’t be ridiculous.

I’m sorry this is terribly long and not very cogent. I just don’t know where to turn. There’s huge amounts more to this as there is with every story, but these are the main and recent highlights. I’d really appreciate any advice.

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been and done it. · 27/08/2022 11:46

Sorry to hear you're having such a rough time of it and hope your new life goes well, I really do. I've got no words of wisdom sadly but would just say what is it YOU REALLY want to do here? Without muddying any waters about their past behaviour what do you want to do? Decide, do it and move on as best you can..

Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 11:49

Thank you for your reply @been and done it. I could have a LC relationship with them with an apology and promise this won’t reoccur. Of course that will never happy, they’ll never admit they’re wrong. I just want the people in my life to be supportive and happy for me and they’re just awful and bring me down, I don’t want to be part of it.

I want to also not feel guilty about removing myself from it all too. I think I’ve anxious attachment, hence my unreasonable amount of guilt for something which I haven’t caused, nor do I have any control over. Fed up of arguing with DH on it who says make a decision and stick to it (but then suggests a Waltons family Christmas bash, ffs). I am feeling a bit sorry for myself and like a child that no one gets.. I’m nearly 40!

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Sapphirensteel · 27/08/2022 11:54

Your parents are going to find fault whatever you do — mine were expert at this.
If you go to see them you’ll get the tears, they’ll make it all about themselves. If you don’t it’ll still be all about them. You can’t change them.
Do what feels right for you but realise that that is the end. You go, start your new life. I went NC with mine after trying for years. Best thing I ever did.
You cannot live your life with people who blight it like they do.

Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 11:55

Thank you @Sapphirensteel and I’m sorry you went through this too. Can you tell me, if you don’t mind, how you managed it? Did you just block/cut off altogether? Did you get any resistance ?

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Sunspirit · 27/08/2022 12:31

I’m sorry you’re going through this.
My mum is similar - overly dramatic, everything is about her as a victim, abusive when I was a child, didn’t protect me from her abusive husband physically assaulting/emotionally abusing me and although she was never emotionally there for me as a child, likes to throw out the ‘I did everything for you’ line that I should be thankful she financially provided for me - like you should when you choose to have children?

You sound like you have great values and life is too short to spend it unhappy or worrying about other people. They will never accept they are wrong or understand how their actions make you feel. They don’t seem to want to. Go and enjoy your new life - you can’t pick your family and unfortunately too many people (me included!) waste so much time feeling guilty and duty bound to have contact with people just because of the title they have.

Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 12:43

@Sunspirit so sorry this has happened to you too. I feel I’m in an impossible situation and tbh ive been in tears all morning because i just don't feel like anyone is supporting me on this and mentally its a huge load.

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billy1966 · 27/08/2022 13:00

Just because your husband has an opinion does not mean you are obliged to listen to this.

These are your parents.
They sound truly dreadful and you not wishing to be around them is understandable.

Ask your husband to now but out.
Move to Australia without seeing them.

They may well die while you are there so be sure you are prepared for that and the grief of grieving the people you wish they were.

Then get the hell on with your life.

You have given them enough of your time.

billy1966 · 27/08/2022 13:05

Well worth seeking to speak to someone to tease out your acceptance of not seeing them again.

You sound like a wonderful young woman.

Spell out to your husband what you need.

Him guilting you about this is spectacularly unhelpful and unkind if he has had a postive parental experience.

People who have, often have very little empathy towards those who haven't.

Focus on your needs and what is best for you.

He will cause marital problems for you with his lack of support, so warn him of this possibility.

His loyalty is to you, supporting you through this.

Not guilting you.

billy1966 · 27/08/2022 13:06

Oh and google flying monkeys.

He is being used by your parents to hurt you.

So be very firm with him to butt out.

billy1966 · 27/08/2022 13:08

OP, he does not sound like a nice partner.

I would have huge issues with how he is causing you further pain over this.

Gonnagetacatwhenimovein · 27/08/2022 13:15

In fairness I’d be devastated if after raised my daughter she didn’t invite me to her wedding and then moved to another country. Pretty heart breaking.

GreyCarpet · 27/08/2022 13:29

I went NC with mine.

Best thing inever did. It's been 10 years now and never regretted it.

Hbh17 · 27/08/2022 13:35

Why do you want to see people who are horrible to you? Just ignore them and get on with your life - you will find it incredibly liberating.

Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 14:04

@Gonnagetacatwhenimovein I felt that comment was wholly unfair and blaming when I’m clearly in distress. My DH and I eloped, just the two of us. It’s what we wanted. His mother was dying at the time and couldn’t be there and that’s how we decided to live our lives. We told our parents in advance and with the exception of mine, the other set were pleased for us.

We have been working hard on a career opportunity for three years to emigrate to a country where we can both progress, this has been no secret and a joint ambition for almost two decades.

You sound a bit suffocating and like my parents tbh trying to make it about your needs rather than your childrens happiness and I’m here for that today.

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Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 14:06

@billy1966 I hear what you’re saying and perhaps I haven’t been clear enough; my mother has brought him into it only in messages to me. Fortunately she doesn’t have his number, nor do we do social media.

He said he was trying to do the right thing and feared there may be regret etc and in fairness to him, he’s still grieving from his own mothers very recent death, so I do believe his comments came from a good place, I’m just exasperated he isn’t I guess validating mine more in this situation.

We have spoken about it again today and what I need and he said he accepts the Christmas do and seeing them isn’t in my best interests.

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Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 14:08

@hbh17 yes, this is exactly how I feel

@GreyCarpet glad you are better for it. I think I’m where you were 10 years ago now. I can’t see there is anything more to be done, they’re not going to change so the only thing I can do is change how I respond. By not responding

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billy1966 · 27/08/2022 15:04

He doesn't have to do the right thing here.
This is not on him.
These are your parents, not his.
The Christmas suggestion is preposterous and he is clearly out of touch.

You have every right to be frustrated that the man you have married doesn't serm to get you or accept your word in this situation.

I mean it very kindly, but be firm with him.
He is making a painful situation harder and when you won't forget his disloyalty to YOU.

His relationship and grief are his.
Are you telling him what to do with this?

I repeat, he doesn't have ANY part of this decision, he doesn't have to do what's right.

YOU however need to do whats right for you.

Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 15:28

@billy1966 You made your point in the comments before about my DH. I want to be very clear here that he is not the problem. Yes, his comment, whilst well meaning, was insensitive, but did have genuine intentions. As I mentioned, his DM died recently, so I’m sure he’s just trying to ensure no bad feeling, regardless of fault. Honourable of course, had my parents been Normal parents.

You seem keen to bash my DH and attack on him, I’m not going to do that as I’ve explained to him and this thread how he made me feel and he did apologise, and whilst misdirected, I do get his logic. Let’s not bash men here.

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billy1966 · 27/08/2022 15:37

This is not about man bashing, this is about making sure you realise that the decision is yours alone to make.

I suggest you re read your posts which are peppered with frustration at him and his suggestions, and being tired of arguing with him and feeling misunderstood.

Either way, good luck with it.

Piffle11 · 27/08/2022 15:48

I think that your DH is hoping you can salvage some sort of relationship with your mother, as he has lost his. I don't think he is being deliberately enabling or troublesome. It is really difficult for people who have had a decent relationship with family members to understand how others do not. That thing about her sending you mother of the bride outfit is really weird, and the only purpose is to try and make you feel guilty. Life is too short to play by other peoples' rules.

Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 16:01

@Piffle11 yes, I think you may be right on that. Indeed, the outfit thing was so narcissistic, all about her ‘look at me’ and of course the GUILT TRIP. I ignored it lol, what constructive reply could I ever give to these people anyway

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Endlesslypatient82 · 27/08/2022 16:04

and DH saying I should see them.

forget your parents

you have a major fuckwit for a DH

Endlesslypatient82 · 27/08/2022 16:06

What do you want us to say op?

obviously your parents are seriously unpleasant people. Epically so.

It is fact your DH thinks you should see them is what grabs my attention.

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Gonewiththewindbeforelong · 27/08/2022 16:37

@Endlesslypatient82 lovely passive aggressive post there. I won’t merit it with a response. I’ve said upthread my distress at this situation, and frustration at DH, which I’ve addressed, but the thread was not intended to be an attack either on him or me by proxy with goadey shitebag statements like ‘which is it’ 🖕🏻

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