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A Man Looking For Advice

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AManLookingForAdvice · 20/08/2022 14:02

Hello, I am a man and I am here looking for advice, I hope you lovely women can give me some insight.

I am single and recently I have started going on a few dates and have been going out more and I seem to not be having much success, or at least in the way I want success. So first the background, I am late 30s, I live alone, own my own flat in the South East and run my own business. I spent most of the last ten years building up my business and in many ways let my thirties pass me by, I was focused on work, got out of shape and I was not looking to date as I was head down in work. Then the same happened to me as everyone else, lockdown hit, life got a revaluated, I realised that I was missing out on life whilst focusing on work.

I decided change my life, to make things more interesting and to improve my health so took up running, I started lifting weights and got myself fit, I am probably the fittest I have ever been and for the first time in many years I feel really good about myself, according to people who I ask (and sometimes people who I don’t) I look good, although I will add I still don’t quite believe them, even though I know logically I look reasonably attractive. I went out with friends more, and when Covid had died down I started dating. I am centre left politically, but not political, I tend to keep up with current affairs so I know what is going on, as well as sport for the social aspect, but I am reasonably relaxed with all of that, happy to go with the flow in discussions. To finish it off 6ft 1in tall, all my own teeth, short hair. I tend to favour planning rather than total spontaneity, but I am not against short notice ideas, it would just be unlikely to be “Let’s go to France for the weekend” on a Friday morning, but no problem with booking it for the next weekend, or going for a night out in London a few hours later etc. I am sensible with money, I do not like to waste it, I see it as a utility rather than an end itself, which means I can afford to go to nicer places, but I am equally relaxed going and having a picnic in the park, or a walk and a coffee. I keep my home clean and tidy, it’s not a bachelor pad, but also not a family home either.
I am not an alpha male by any stretch, I am not interesting in competing with people, just doing what I feel is the best I can/need to (eg. I am not working 60+ hours again if I don’t need to), I earn enough to not need to worry about money and that perhaps does give me a relaxed attitude that takes away pressures.

So I have been on several dates, they seem to start off well, they seem to find me interesting, they seem to enjoy sex, or I can go on a night out and meet someone, a few times that has ended up in sex, again no complaints there as they have all wanted to repeat the experience. I am apparently good to talk to, although I will admit I am not the best listener as I know I look to fix a problem, rather than be someone who just sits and listens, but I am working on that. Most of the women seem to end up not wanting a relationship, but want to be friends, a friends with benefits situation, or they are very intense at the start, then fade off quickly, two have been very intense at the start, faded off, then expected to pick everything up a few months later. Wives of friends think I would make a great catch, my sister’s friends think I would make a great catch (already paired up, and would not do anything that close to home anyway).

So I guess I am looking for answers as to why I keep falling into either friends or friends with benefits situations, rather than a relationship? What could I do to improve myself, what might I need to change?

Fire away, I suspect some of you will probably be brutally honest, but I think I need that because everyone I know who I ask says they don’t know why, but that does not really seem to add up.

OP posts:
Tallblonde1 · 20/08/2022 14:08

I am 35
never married and no children (yet)
business woman
Let me know if you want a date 😂

you just havent met the right person yet - therea no magic formula

midgetastic · 20/08/2022 14:10

I find that people looking for a partner can be off putting - it's almost like got work sorted now wife tick list

Try to chilli a little - it may be better tomorrow it may be a ten year from. Now

AManLookingForAdvice · 20/08/2022 14:13

Oh, I forgot to add I did have one who wanted a relationship, the issue was that she did not care who with, she basically had a plan to get married in 3-6 months and be pregnant within a month of being married, to whoever would agree to those terms, I'm not into crazy!

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WallaceinAnderland · 20/08/2022 14:16

I will admit I am not the best listener as I know I look to fix a problem, rather than be someone who just sits and listens, but I am working on that

It's probably this - keep working on it.

AManLookingForAdvice · 20/08/2022 14:17

I kind of agree on the right person thing, it is just that all dates for the last year have followed that very similar formula, the woman wanting friends/friends with benefits, but nothing more, rather than a "give it time to see if there is anything more" approach, which I think I could understand.

I guess it could come across a bit that way Midge, although I don't mean it to, I am looking to spend time with people to see if there is anything there, what I find weird is they want to have sex (ok, that is not exactly the end of the world), they want to be friends (sometimes combined with sex), but where am I going wrong with being relationship material, not "the one", just being "potentially worth giving a go" I guess.

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SteveHarringtonsChestHair · 20/08/2022 14:19

AManLookingForAdvice · 20/08/2022 14:13

Oh, I forgot to add I did have one who wanted a relationship, the issue was that she did not care who with, she basically had a plan to get married in 3-6 months and be pregnant within a month of being married, to whoever would agree to those terms, I'm not into crazy!

Calling women crazy won’t help your cause. Women have a much more rigid timescale on these things and she clearly didn’t want to waste her time with someone who wasn’t on the same page.

Bigchezemakeme · 20/08/2022 14:22

You started by addressing a group of total strangers as ‘lovely ladies’ then referred to women as ‘crazy’. Coupled with a long, dull monologue about your life it sounds to me like you probably are a bit dull and a bit sexist. Sorry

AManLookingForAdvice · 20/08/2022 14:23

SteveHarringtonsChestHair · 20/08/2022 14:19

Calling women crazy won’t help your cause. Women have a much more rigid timescale on these things and she clearly didn’t want to waste her time with someone who wasn’t on the same page.

I don't think all, or even most women are crazy, but this one very much seemed so, indeed my sister was the first person to describe her as crazy. Who turns up to a first date with a spreadsheet on their phone of dating, moving in together, getting married, getting pregnant and having a baby within a six month timescale. She had run me through the role I was expected to perform in her fantasy before she had asked me a second question about myself and the first was "how much do you earn", which I deliberately dodged. People might be on a biological timescale, but surely they want a partner to have a relationship with, rather than just an actor playing a prescribed role?

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Fluffycloudland77 · 20/08/2022 14:24

Try waiting a bit for sex. Let them get to know you as a person.

But basically you just haven’t met the right one yet.

Haybo26 · 20/08/2022 14:25

Bigchezemakeme · 20/08/2022 14:22

You started by addressing a group of total strangers as ‘lovely ladies’ then referred to women as ‘crazy’. Coupled with a long, dull monologue about your life it sounds to me like you probably are a bit dull and a bit sexist. Sorry

This.

AManLookingForAdvice · 20/08/2022 14:26

Bigchezemakeme · 20/08/2022 14:22

You started by addressing a group of total strangers as ‘lovely ladies’ then referred to women as ‘crazy’. Coupled with a long, dull monologue about your life it sounds to me like you probably are a bit dull and a bit sexist. Sorry

Ok, if that is the way you see it then sorry. I referred to A woman as crazy, one specific woman, who to everyone who it has been mentioned to (including other women), described the woman in question as crazy.

The "dull monologue" was to give as much background as possible as when I from having had a bit of a read before my first post it seems people hate a "drip feed", I I tried to put as much information in as possible. It appears that was not wanted.

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 20/08/2022 14:28

Yesterday on Mumsnet ( and the day before, and the day before) “why don’t I ever meet a man who wants to commit / a long term relationship?”

So they must be out there. Good luck. 🧚🏼‍♀️

gogogadgetgo · 20/08/2022 14:30

Meh. I involuntarily winced when you said lovely ladies. I would be out

You say the woman was 'crazy' (not helping your cause) for having criteria. That's dating. You have criteria too.

I can't put my finger on it. But there's just this sense of whiny 'why don't women like me' that I find intensely irritating.

You can't snap your fingers and meet your perfect partner. Have you never dated in your life before?

Greengreengrassbluebluesky · 20/08/2022 14:31

There is nothing really obvious that is a problem although I did wince at ‘lovely ladies.’ That makes you sound a bit old-fashioned and if you are in your late 30s and never had a relationship having thrown yourself into your work, maybe you are a bit out of date with modern life and relationships.

Keep putting yourself out there and I can’t see why you wouldn’t meet someone who would suit you.

The people I know who have met someone later in life have been really determined and set on what they want and they have had lots and lots of dates and got what they wanted.

TitInATrance · 20/08/2022 14:32

It’s a numbers game. We can’t know, but if you are going into dates with the apparent attitude that they would be lucky to form a relationship with you, rather than vice versa, that will put most off.

I’m old enough to be your mum, but something I hate is when people expect you to have an empty calendar and drop everything to fit their lifestyle, be that sailing round the Med or spending most evenings between the stove and the telly.

Keep going and you will meet someone you click with. If you click and they don’t want to continue, ask for feedback.

WallaceinAnderland · 20/08/2022 14:33

Are you sure you're looking for advice because you don't seem to want to hear it.

fuckblippi · 20/08/2022 14:34

Yeah 'lovely ladies' is a bit 🤮

And calling a woman crazy 😳

We're just people. Everyone has their quirks. The 'crazy' woman might just have decided she needed to weed out the time wasters, it's not that unusual at a certain age to say 'babies are my end goal, in or out?'

Maybe wait to have sex. See if there is chemistry you can continue without the sex part.

Caminante · 20/08/2022 14:36

Dating isn't necessarily the best way to meet someone. Group activities/classes where you meet people with the same interests are a better idea.

By the way it's unusual for a man to start a thread on Mumsnet without immediately offending everyone so don't take it personally!

Bigchezemakeme · 20/08/2022 14:37

@Caminante no-one has said he’s offended them. And he should take feedback personally. That’s the point of asking for it

AManLookingForAdvice · 20/08/2022 14:38

I think if anything I probably go into most of the dates with the attitude of "I am not sure why they said yes, but I will go with the flow", the majority of the women have been amazing, interesting, attractive and good company, in most cases I was the lucky one!

I don't expect people to empty their calendar for me, with work, live music, family and friend commitments I have a reasonable amount going on, but I also don't think it would be healthy to go to seeing someone every/most days straight away. I cannot afford to go sailing around the Med, and if I I could I would probably fall in!

I will keep going though on dates though, that seems like the only option to me.

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Aquamarine1029 · 20/08/2022 14:40

How quickly are you having sex with these women?

vdbfamily · 20/08/2022 14:41

I agree with the suggestion that you spend a bit longer getting to know them before sex. It is usually men looking for non committal sex but there are woman out they also wanting that. If you are genuinely looking for a long term relationship then having sex early on will muddy the waters somewhat as if the sex is good, relationships can get drawn out when not much else in common.
I am a bit biased as did not have sex until wedding night but I genuinely feel that it is easier to find your soul mate if you focus on other important things that make for a long term relationship. At the end of the day, you know whether you are sexually attracted to someone without having sex with them.

Mammajay · 20/08/2022 14:41

I agree with fluffy Cloudland..wait before you have a sexual relationship so that you get to know the woman before her body and vice versa. Everyone likes a good listener. Most of us don't want solutions to our problems , just a friendly ear ( unless it's a practical problem). I know several happily partnered couples who met on Tinder. Hope we get another post later about how you have found a lovely partner

AManLookingForAdvice · 20/08/2022 14:42

fuckblippi · 20/08/2022 14:34

Yeah 'lovely ladies' is a bit 🤮

And calling a woman crazy 😳

We're just people. Everyone has their quirks. The 'crazy' woman might just have decided she needed to weed out the time wasters, it's not that unusual at a certain age to say 'babies are my end goal, in or out?'

Maybe wait to have sex. See if there is chemistry you can continue without the sex part.

Sorry about that part, I was trying to think of an into and really struggled.

I have been on other dates where fairly early (during the first drink) the woman has said that her goal is to find a partner and have children, I do not have a problem with that, I think that is entirely reasonable thing to stat. It was more the six month timetable on a spreadsheet that I was run through, it would have felt overly formal in contract negotiations for work, let alone on a date.

That might be an idea on the sex part, it seems to not be a problem in itself, but maybe it is clouding things in some way.

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trytopullyoursocksup · 20/08/2022 14:44

We don't know whether the women who didn't want a relationship with you didn't want a relationship at all, or not one with you. It doesn't really matter though - it just means it didn't click with them and that's all that matters. You need to see them as "not meant to be" rather than "It would have worked with them if they had bothered".
Relationships are hard work for women. (Maybe for men too, but you are here to hear from women, so here it is.) Men (in general) expect assistance with everything once they are in a relationship. They want to keep the good parts of their lives that they already have (work, friends, hobbies, whatever) and have an extra person in orbit around them bringing them more good things (sex, reliable companionship, practical help, a pleasant domestic environment advice, emotional support, social events, a comfortable plus-one to anything where a plus-one might be nice, and so on). That's a lot of work, bearing in mind that women all support themselves already and aren't looking for a man to do so - they already have full time jobs and can't expect to be supported. So the only real incentive to do it, is to fall in love. you don't fall in love every day and you can't fall in love with just anyone. You just haven't met someone who has fallen in love with you yet.

When you do - please look after her as much as she looks after you. Notice what you are expecting her to do and ask yourself what you do for her.

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