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Does anyone have a partner who hates them reading books or who gets angry if you don't sit and watch TV with him/her?

111 replies

DeedeeDashwood · 05/08/2022 15:20

I'm very aware that there are some men out there who have a real hatred of books and who are capable of getting very angry indeed if their partners sit and read at home. My theory is that (a) they associate books with school and with being bored at school, and (b) they see books as intellectual and it makes them feel stupid if their partners engage in what they see as an intellectual activity which they themselves aren't capable of - as if their partners are somehow calling them thick by sitting down to read a book.

Likewise some partners (of either sex) feel that their other halves should sit down and watch telly with them, regardless of how moronic their choice of TV show is or how far outside their partner's range of interests it is. It's always struck me as really babyish, like they're not capable of watching TV on their own and they need someone to watch it with them. They seem to think it's part of their partner's job to watch TV with them, even if what's on TV is a bottom-of-the barrel unfunny sitcom, a live darts match or some godawful garish bit of Saturday night gameshow garbage. And yet if the situation's reversed and their partner gets to choose a TV show of a kind which doesn't appeal to them, they'll huff and puff and call it sh*t and leave the room.

I'm wondering if any Mumsnetters have spent years living in this sort of situation and whether they ended up splitting or living separate lives in the same building. I remember a TV play years ago which touched on this sort of thing; the husband, played by Kenneth Cranham, banned his wife from reading library books. As for the TV thing, that was even closer to home for me.

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ManAboutTown · 06/08/2022 00:36

I could be tempted by that app though.

My experience of people who read a lot is that they can generally hold a conversation about almost anything. One of my criteria for anyone new....

Sheepreallylikerichteabiscuits · 06/08/2022 00:41

ManAboutTown · 06/08/2022 00:36

I could be tempted by that app though.

My experience of people who read a lot is that they can generally hold a conversation about almost anything. One of my criteria for anyone new....

I might need a better name than binder for it 😂

But yes, that is the benefit of being with someone widely read, and why I don't think I could be with my DH if he didn't read so much. I do love him, but so much of what I love about him is bound up in his curiosity and knowledge from reading.

Admittedly it might be more useful knowledge if 90% of it, left to himself, wasn't military fiction, but I'm working on that (and I read the military fiction too since I met him to be fair)

Ponderingwindow · 06/08/2022 00:45

Dating used to be fairly simple. If a man didn’t have shelves and shelves of books in his home, plus stacks of books for the ones he couldn’t squeeze into his shelves, you knew he wasn’t worth dating at all. if you couldn’t find something interesting to read, you knew it wasn’t a good match.

now you have to compare kindles and goodreads. Less dusty and saves money on bookshelves, but it’s not quite the same.

as far as getting antsy about a tv viewing companion, this can be acceptable if there is a particular show you are viewing together on he wants to watch the next episode and he asks politely. Otherwise, no, it’s not appropriate behavior.

Brandyb · 06/08/2022 00:49

ImpartialMongoose · 05/08/2022 16:56

Not about books, but I had a partner who would fall asleep in front of the TV, but would wake up when I changed the channel and get angry I had switched channels. So I had to watch something I didn't want to while he slept through it. And he would get angry with me for wanting to go to bed earlier than him so I had to stay up till he was ready to go to bed to avoid his anger, then wake up early for my job while he didn't have to. I got ill from living like this and finally managed to disentangle myself from him for good and for ever. He was angry that I was a different person to him and had different needs to him. I understood how a pet dog must feel with a horrible owner. I will never let this happen again.

Good move on your part - much rather spend the evening with you than him

ManAboutTown · 06/08/2022 00:51

About half my stuff is histories, biographies and geopolitics. Genuinely don't know anyone with a collection even approaching what I have (and have read BTW)

Fiction most people have to some degree - I can do military fiction like your husband - it isn't a particular genre of mine but I have read things like From Here To Eternity, Life and Fate, The Naked and the Dead and The Kindly Ones.

Reckon I have disposed of several hundred books as well

Sheepreallylikerichteabiscuits · 06/08/2022 00:51

Ponderingwindow · 06/08/2022 00:45

Dating used to be fairly simple. If a man didn’t have shelves and shelves of books in his home, plus stacks of books for the ones he couldn’t squeeze into his shelves, you knew he wasn’t worth dating at all. if you couldn’t find something interesting to read, you knew it wasn’t a good match.

now you have to compare kindles and goodreads. Less dusty and saves money on bookshelves, but it’s not quite the same.

as far as getting antsy about a tv viewing companion, this can be acceptable if there is a particular show you are viewing together on he wants to watch the next episode and he asks politely. Otherwise, no, it’s not appropriate behavior.

You know what, I've just realised that I should have had this dating advice as a much younger woman. All the terrible relationships I had were with men who barely/didn't read. And the two great relationships I have had (1 being my DH, one being my first love/right person wrong time) have both been with people who read a lot.

I feel like suddenly my terrible dating life pre DH makes so much more sense

ManAboutTown · 06/08/2022 00:59

@Ponderingwindow - I would apply that to women as well. Doesn't have to be stuff I want to read either - it's an indication of an enquiring mind. My ex had a lot of books when we met - I picked over them and read quite a few over the first few years.

Ponderingwindow · 06/08/2022 01:08

@ManAboutTown
well yes, I wouldn’t want to have dated a man who wasn’t looking for a woman with a good set of bookshelves. It’s definitely reciprocal.

frazzledasarock · 06/08/2022 01:12

ex used to HATE me reading, he once grabbed a book from my hands and ripped it down the middle.

note the ‘ex’

He was thick as pig shit and a nasty nasty individual.

ManAboutTown · 06/08/2022 01:24

@frazzledasarock - I am amazed to hear stories like this. I suspect he felt intimidated by you doing something he had neither the intellect or patience to do himself.

felulageller · 06/08/2022 01:47

I've never heard of men who get angry at reading. That's not a man thing it's abuse.

If I knew a woman in either of these situations I'd tell her she is being abused and should LTBs.

FFS how are women's standards so low that this is seen as normal/ acceptable!?!

theniceunderstandingone · 06/08/2022 01:56

@frazzledasarock bloody hell 🤦🏽‍♀️😢

I was upset when my little one ripped a page out of my book. Couldn't imagine how I'd be if a grown man ripped it on purpose

theniceunderstandingone · 06/08/2022 02:04

@PermanentTemporary it's funny because I was watching First Dates last night and a woman said she loved to read and her date said he never reads. Her eyebrows went up and she said "you never read?!" And you could tell by her face she was not happy with that lol
They didn't want to see each other again and I don't blame her lol

velvetvixen · 06/08/2022 10:03

basically he wanted me to sit in silence so I was available if he wanted me

I feel this is the crux of the matter.

Women! be available at all times. Your man may want your attention at any moment!

velvetvixen · 06/08/2022 10:06

Binder - the dating app for people who like books.....

Brilliant idea! 😃

Crikeyalmighty · 06/08/2022 10:23

I think the book thing for dating is a great idea. It's the same with music to some extent- If they aren't into books or music then they wouldn't be right for me . I like magazines too - it's amazing what small things can tell you about someone. My h always said he couldn't be interested in anyone who wasn't interested and had good knowledge in politics or current affairs or music regardless of what they looked like-

Christin3 · 06/08/2022 10:40

I think I'd love binder! Brilliant idea!

DeedeeDashwood · 07/08/2022 12:36

This is the OP back again - and in response to someone's query, no, I'm not a journalist (nor a 'snobby journalist'), just an observer of life around me.

It's worrying to see so many people responding with me too stories, even though it doesn't surprise me; I just hate thinking that people out there are still having to endure this sort of thing. But I suppose immaturity, spitefulness, incompatibility and controlling behaviour will always be with us. LTB is fine if you're free to up sticks and scram, I suppose, but easier said than done if there are children in the equation, asleep upstairs while all the unpleasantness is going on down below. I myself wasn't able to LTB till the offspring had flown the coop, but I was off like a long dog when the going was good, believe me.

I love reading, not least because it can temporarily transport you away from the circumstances you're having to endure (just think of all those men who get into reading when they're in prison), so I generally read in my teabreak and lunchbreak at work, which of course can lead to accusations of antisociability or assumptions that what I really need is a member of the opposite sex to sit down with me and offer me a preferable alternative to book-reading. I've also worked alongside various men who've confessed to 'hating' books, whatever that means, as if books are things which are out to cause trouble, but I've never heard women say it, even if they don't read books themselves. At home, I used to have to put up with my ex-husband telling me to 'stop rotting your brain with that rubbish' whenever he saw me pick up a book, which basically translated as 'I want all your attention because I'm a big selfish baby,' and he wasn't above playing really loud music in a deliberate bid to destroy my concentration, as well as hiding books he knew I was reading.

As for TV-watching, he only ever watched light entertainment and would walk out of the room if I put a documentary on or a costume drama. He said I was only interested in 'educational' TV, like I was a school swot for wanting to know about the world around me, and he said all the male characters in costume drama were poofs. Sometimes he'd go and sit up in the loft on his own, doing nothing, just to make me feel bad about watching a documentary which didn't even clash with anything he wanted to see, or he'd take off his wedding ring and leave it lying around for days on end as a way of saying 'If you don't do what I want you to do, you're no wife of mine.' When we had a TV in both reception rooms and I retired to the other room to watch a programme I liked, there'd generally be a row afterwards or he'd stomp off to bed early and lie there in the dark with a newspaper over his face as a sort of 'I don't want to know you' sign.

And no, we didn't live together for years before getting married. Probably we should have.

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Crispsandcupasoup · 07/08/2022 15:13

That is horrifying OP - the vile behaviour described on this thread against people carrying out such an innocent gentle pastime is beyond belief, casual cruelty that makes lives miserable. Why is there so much unpleasantness about? I'm just out of 18 years of a hellish coercive relationship so maybe I'm too emotional about the wasted years with these awful abusers.... but I am sooo happy to be single now and I can sit in bed and read any time of night or day - I think I have over 1000 books, I stroke them when I pass them on the bookshelves.

Nonymus · 07/08/2022 15:51

My husband doesn't get angry but he whinges I don't give him attention ..like we have to be joined at hip and needs validation ..He has been like this most of married life..now it just annoys me..We don't have to do everything together or like same things. Their need to control is about their insecurity. They need to become independent..it's really offputting

DeedeeDashwood · 07/08/2022 15:51

I always think it's a shame that public libraries don't use computer systems that can print out a list of all the books I've ever borrowed. I'd be fascinated to be reminded of all the hundreds of books and their titles, so I can maybe read some of them again or perhaps buy the best ones off eBay. But unfortunately the computers are just basic check in/check out systems.

Yes, why is there so much unpleasantness about? Poles say that people in Poland are getting more and more obnoxious, but maybe the whole of the Western world is headed in that direction, believing it's some sort of accomplishment to be as horrible as possible. Maybe the entire world should convert to the Baha'i faith.....but you couldn't make them.

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Cornishclio · 07/08/2022 16:25

Nope. If I had a partner like that he would soon be an ex. DH likes watching aircraft, car or train documentaries or history documentaries about war. I like dramas and mysteries and we compromise and watch the occasional film or a few favourite sit come we both like together. He is not a reader but I am and he knows better than to moan about my books. Neither of us have any issue on watching TV alone. Time is too precious to spend doing something you don't like doing and we are not joined at the hip and like doing things separately.

Crikeyalmighty · 07/08/2022 16:31

@Nonymus I'm with you on that. Sat outside a pub yesterday mid afternoon my H moaned when I went to reply to a friends text and turned attention away from him for all of about 3 mins- yet he expects to be able to do this Willy Nilly when it suits and I never say a word. I actually snapped yesterday about it . I don't get this need for attention to be on them always when you are with them vast amounts of time - it seems to get worse as they get older.

ilyx · 07/08/2022 16:38

My partner doesn’t read but he’s completely addicted to his iPad, phone, football manager to the point I sometimes get upset with him for not talking to me because he’s so obsessed with his gadgets and hard to interact with. I’d feel like same if he replaced all his gadgets with books to be honest and we had the same issues. I suppose it depends how often you both interact with each other.

If he just hates you reading because he has an issue with you reading itself that’s very odd.

ILoveMonday · 07/08/2022 16:39

My partner doesn't read books. I love books. He doesn't resent me but it's only been 7 months. The last few people I've dated have been boom averse so I've stopped trying to read anything into it. He's intelligent and well informed ehich I think is the main thing.

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