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How do I accept or cut my losses on this FWB situation?

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NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 14:20

I’ve had a FWB situation for the past couple of years with someone I met through work. He’s a bit older than me, charming, fit, clever, funny, solvent and generous. He’s been very clear from the off that he’s not emotional, that he doesn’t want a serious relationship, and that he mainly wants me to meet his particular desires, which include some mild kink. He groomed me on this last bit quite heavily – it wasn’t on my radar before I met him, but I got into it quickly.

We’ve become good friends outside of the sexual bit, chat about everything and nothing all day, have great fun when we are together. Predictably, I’ve fallen for him and have told him so.

I remarked recently that it has felt a lot more mutual in every way and we seem a lot closer (he’s been asking for kisses and cuddles and being a lot more attentive, among other things) and I asked if anything has changed for him. He got very defensive and insisted, again, this is just for fun and he doesn’t love me. He will concede I mean ‘a great deal’ to him, but the relationship is all on his terms, essentially.

I know in my heart it’s not going anywhere, that you can’t teach a cat to bark, that I’m chasing crumbs, and he has everything he wants on a plate so doesn’t need to step up in any way. The most sensible thing for me to do is to obviously finish it, get my head straight (sort out my bloody low self-esteem, primarily) and move on to try and find something real with someone else who I can build an actual future with.

But I am head over heels and I’m not sure I can actually do it with any conviction. I know if I end it, I will miss him terribly, I probably won’t be able to resist replying to his messages, and the next time we’re at the same work social thing (especially with booze) it will be like magnets as usual.

Please help me work out how to either accept that this is what it is and enjoy the ride, on the assumption it will burn out eventually anyway, or to move on gently but effectively. Thank you for reading.

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SunscreenCentral · 21/07/2022 14:31

Think about Future You and get yourself out of this mess.

JauntyJinty · 21/07/2022 14:36

"The most sensible thing for me to do is to obviously finish it, get my head straight (sort out my bloody low self-esteem, primarily) and move on to try and find something real with someone else who I can build an actual future with."

This is the advice you'd give a friend in your situation, you should take it from yourself. I know that's easier said than done. Can you block him on everything not work related? Or even look to change jobs?

Chdjdn · 21/07/2022 14:38

You have to protect yourself in these situations otherwise youre just hurting yourself. Ask him not to contact you for your own well-being and block him

NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 15:37

@SunscreenCentral You're so right. I think I've been so focused on the day-to-day will he message/are we getting together/does this mean anything that I've lost sight of the big picture and what I want my life to look like. I don't think I'll look back and regret this as it stands. I think I will if I let it go on much longer...

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NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 15:39

@JauntyJinty So weird that we can't always take the advice we would give to someone we love! I am averse to blocking, I don't know why, it just seems so harsh, but I could definitely go no-contact apart from strictly professional interactions, with some effort. I just keep getting sucked back in...

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NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 15:41

@Chdjdn Yes I'm not doing a very good job of protecting myself. I have very poor boundaries with him. He has very good ones, on the other hand. I think he would respect it if I said I really didn't want contact outside of required work things. But then at the moment I'd just feel really sad not to hear from him. The frisson makes my day, a lot of the time.

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JauntyJinty · 21/07/2022 15:54

Blocking might seem harsh, but I think it's what you'll need to do to get this back to a proessional only relationship

When I asked if you could I meant is it logistically possible - as in can you block him from your personal number or would you still need him to be able to contact you on that for work stuff.

Honestly I think a change of jobs will be the only way to get a full clean break, but failing that you need to block him on anything you don't need for work, and keep everything else strictly work only.

nca · 21/07/2022 15:59

I honestly think you need to block him and avoid the work things for a while.

Step back and imagine how you want your life to be. And break it down into small steps and start to make it happen.

I'm sorry you're hurt though. It's a bummer when this happens with FWB

stupidly · 21/07/2022 16:13

Probably find a new job?! If he's really irresistible to you.

Sometime I have found that the sense of rejection eggs me on even more in to thinking I want someone

NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 16:31

JauntyJinty · 21/07/2022 15:54

Blocking might seem harsh, but I think it's what you'll need to do to get this back to a proessional only relationship

When I asked if you could I meant is it logistically possible - as in can you block him from your personal number or would you still need him to be able to contact you on that for work stuff.

Honestly I think a change of jobs will be the only way to get a full clean break, but failing that you need to block him on anything you don't need for work, and keep everything else strictly work only.

We only communicate privately on one messaging app so I could just block him on that. Work is email only or Zoom calls with others. I could just avoid work events I know he's going to be at rather than ensuring we are both in the same place at the same time as currently. I need to find some resolve and take action! Thank you for being so supportive!

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NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 16:33

nca · 21/07/2022 15:59

I honestly think you need to block him and avoid the work things for a while.

Step back and imagine how you want your life to be. And break it down into small steps and start to make it happen.

I'm sorry you're hurt though. It's a bummer when this happens with FWB

Yeah it is a bummer. I thought I could handle it and stay chilled, I didn't intend to fall in love with him. Ugh. I feel like a bit of an idiot tbh. Classic cliché of 'men are just in it for sex, women want an emotional connection'.

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NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 16:40

stupidly · 21/07/2022 16:13

Probably find a new job?! If he's really irresistible to you.

Sometime I have found that the sense of rejection eggs me on even more in to thinking I want someone

Yes I do wonder if I've wanted at some level to see if I can persuade him to lower his boundaries, as a challenge. It's me who's trying to change the rules though, not him, so I'm just hurting myself by not playing the game in exactly the way I knew it needed to be played.

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JauntyJinty · 21/07/2022 16:46

NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 16:31

We only communicate privately on one messaging app so I could just block him on that. Work is email only or Zoom calls with others. I could just avoid work events I know he's going to be at rather than ensuring we are both in the same place at the same time as currently. I need to find some resolve and take action! Thank you for being so supportive!

Honestly it sounds like you know what you need to know

Unfortunatly it's the actually doing it that's the difficult part!

I find in these situations it's the first bit that's hardest. Letting him know you're ending your relationship is the tough and big step - then it's about having clear boundaries and sticking to them.

velvetvixen · 21/07/2022 16:49

OP if he knows you've developed such strong feelings for him, he should no longer be entertaining the idea of having sex with you. This becomes user territory.

NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 17:11

velvetvixen · 21/07/2022 16:49

OP if he knows you've developed such strong feelings for him, he should no longer be entertaining the idea of having sex with you. This becomes user territory.

Oh. I genuinely hadn't thought of that. I was assuming I'm in the wrong. I found myself apologising for my feelings this week, that's not good is it?

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FluffyFlower · 21/07/2022 17:12

You should leave before it becomes years and years. You have no regrets - you talked to him and his position hasn't change, nor will it change. Leave while you still remember good fun times with him and haven't spent a decade in this. Have a very clear vision of what you want for yourself, what kind of man and relationship you want, and search that

CatBeeBirdTree · 21/07/2022 17:21

I think it’s become an addiction, and you need to set yourself some targets and goals - e.g a reward for a week no contact. When are you triggered to contact? Look at what those triggers occur and decide on an alternative action to messaging.

D0lphine · 21/07/2022 17:32

What stage of life are you at OP? Do you have kids / want kids / want commitment?

D0lphine · 21/07/2022 17:32

Also do you actually enjoy his kink or are you doing it primarily because he likes it?

DragonflyNights · 21/07/2022 17:57

NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 17:11

Oh. I genuinely hadn't thought of that. I was assuming I'm in the wrong. I found myself apologising for my feelings this week, that's not good is it?

No it’s not good. Would you, having integrity and compassion, continue to sleep with someone and make it exactly how you want it, knowing they loved you and wanted more? Would you do that to someone else? If no, why would you accept someone doing it to you?

NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 18:54

D0lphine · 21/07/2022 17:32

What stage of life are you at OP? Do you have kids / want kids / want commitment?

I have 2 DC. Divorced. Had been with ex since we were teens and it dawned on me too slowly that he was not a good guy. Not looking to have more kids with anyone and was happy with the FWB thing until I wasn’t. And to your other question, I don’t even know anymore if I like the kink or if I just want to please him.

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NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 19:06

CatBeeBirdTree · 21/07/2022 17:21

I think it’s become an addiction, and you need to set yourself some targets and goals - e.g a reward for a week no contact. When are you triggered to contact? Look at what those triggers occur and decide on an alternative action to messaging.

I think you might be spot on - it is a bit like an addiction. I will have a think about triggers. Thank you.

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ShandaLear · 21/07/2022 19:11

Every minute you spend mooning over him is a minute you are not building the life you want. This man is for breakfast, not dinner. He may well be fucking other people. Think about your own future. This man WILL walk away when he meets someone he wants a proper relationship with. That someone is not you and you know that. You either accept his crumbs, or you bake your own cake - the cake that you want.

NotPatricia · 21/07/2022 19:12

FluffyFlower · 21/07/2022 17:12

You should leave before it becomes years and years. You have no regrets - you talked to him and his position hasn't change, nor will it change. Leave while you still remember good fun times with him and haven't spent a decade in this. Have a very clear vision of what you want for yourself, what kind of man and relationship you want, and search that

This is so wise. Thank you xx

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Matildahoney · 21/07/2022 19:16

My fwb kept saying he didn't want anything more, he was protecting himself, we've been together officially 4 years now!

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