Do you believe in law of attraction/thoughts create your reality?

[raincheckrosemary]

Do you believe you manifest everything, so for example a lot of it says you choose your romantic partner and attract that cause of your thoughts - what do you think?

do you think you create every bad thing that happens to you?

I think the same @PriestessofPing - her and Abraham Hicks. Also Joe Dispenza who used to be in a cult and actually is a doctor of Chiropractic degree, I think it turned out his "neuroscience" degree was like one section of his degree, a tiny area that he didn't even graduate from and the school he learned it at wasn't even legitimate! It's all MLM.

This, x a million.

I find it so damaging. My mum is heavily into all this stuff and I think for her it makes her feel in control after a life where many people have taken advantage and controlled her. I completely understand that it helps her and don't wish to take away from that at all, but I wish she hadn't exposed me to it as a teenager. Perhaps adults coming across this kind of thing can easily see that it's like turning your feet in the direction you're looking when skiing, but for me as a teenager I felt like it was literally real and I was scared of my own mind for a long time. I believe it actually gave me OCD - I was told by a psychiatrist during assessment for something else that I met all the criteria.

You cannot influence the behaviour or feelings of another person by thinking it. The only way you can influence somebody's behaviour towards you is practising healthy boundaries, which is a really good thing to do - BTW, boundaries are often something that proponents of this kind of thing will encourage you to reduce rather than strengthen. It's not healthy, there are a lot of parallels with abusive behaviour or cults and honestly it's taken my mum and I wish I could have her back from before she discovered all this magical shite.

Please stop talking to the friend about this topic. Your thoughts are safe. Nothing bad can happen just because you imagined it. Bad things happen or don't and it's just random chance.

I've recently been listening to a podcast called Conspirituality and it's eye opening how they explain everything on there. Lots of connections I'd made myself (hugely validating to hear I'm not the only one thinking them) and lots of lightbulb moments too.

Louise Hay was a multi millionaire. People seem to think these "spiritual types" are all altruism and sharing their gift with the world when really they are quite often just spouting whatever makes them money.

@BertieBotts I could nearly cry reading this comment. I knew I had OCD before all this due to constant reassurance seeking, but I was never THAT bothered and they were minor compulsions for me. Now, due to "your thoughts create your reality" - I have threw logic out the window, worried about a hypothetical all my friends say pigs would fly before it happened all because I've spent a good 5 weeks worrying non stop and keep thinking the effort I've put into worrying will "make it happen" in one way or another.

The thing I was weirdly worried about, was me setting boundaries. I set boundaries with someone and had an intrusive thought they would set out to hurt me/sabotage me - when they know hardly anything about me. It's been 5 weeks since said incident, and I keep waiting for them to inflict harm because I have worried so much.

I have made myself physically unwell, basically put off self care, prepared for the worst and every escape route known to man all because I invested so much time and effort in this worry, that even though it would 100% never happen - my brain will find a way due to manifesting. It's been an awful month.

I think you need to leave that group OP. They sound insane.

I do kind of agree with some of it, and lots of the tools are pretty standard in a lot of self help books - like gratitudes and affirmations. They are good tools to improve your mood, confidence and resilience. Some of the LOA tools in the Esther Hicks books are also good - the ones where you increase your vibration or go up the emotional scale. So you could use those to move away from anxiety. They're pretty standard too I think - listen to u lifting music, walk in nature, meditation.

I think that Louise Hay stuff is just insane. I have bad knees apparently because I am stubborn! Yeah right.

I think you've also misunderstood the point about manifestation. You aren't going to attract the thing you're worrying about, because you can only manifest your wishes or desires when you are at the top of the emotional scale. The point is you need to get up the emotional scale to attract that stuff that you want to attract.

You don't need to worry, I don't think I'm you can make negative things happen. But if your manifesting (obsessing over) negative things happening you start finding evidence that your manifestation is happening. So if you think about a negative thing for long enough it can feel like a self fulfilling prophecy. You can't give yourself cancer but if you're "manifesting" it then you start finding signs and if hid forbid you get cancer you convince yourself you caused it

No. And to those who are saying yes to this:

“do you think you create every bad thing that happens to you?” - so it’s the fault of a victim or patient that they are going through hell? 🤔

The reason I think this is due to Law of Attraction/Neville Goddard cause it's not about vibration, it's all about your thoughts and anything you think about comes to fruition :/

Would it help to find some debunking stuff? I can possibly find some as I've been looking at this kind of thing. I found some useful debunkers for "energy"in the woo sense (again I know it seems obvious to most people, but as I was being fed all this stuff as fact when I was young enough not to question it it can be hard to get that "normal person" perspective sometimes. I haven't found any for manifesting but I can look for them. In the meantime the Conspirituality episode called Leaving Ramtha's Ranch was very good.

I've just been to look at that list and I got as far as this

Cystic Fibrosis: A thick belief that life won’t work for you. “Poor me.”

Cystic fibrosis is a genetically inherited disease

I can’t find any regarding Law of Assumption! It’s super hard to find; the internet is seriously clouded with everything positive about it!

also I know @BertieBotts - my partner has a hereditary heart problem so I’ll be sure to send him the list and tell him it’s due to him “not feeling good enough” 🤣

With all due respect, that's total bollocks.

When my father died when I was a child... by your reasoning I must have thought he would die, and what you are actually saying is that I killed him?

No, that's not it. He dropped down dead of a heart attack while I was at school.

I don't know who Neville Goddard is OP. I've done quite a lot of reading about LOA, and I think it's rubbish to say you manifest every single thought you have. You have thousands of thoughts a day. what do you do? Try to avoid thinking?

If you want to read anything, read the Esther Hicks books - they will reassure you that you don't manifest everything you think of.

(and yes I'm aware that many people think this is a load of tosh, but as I said in my post upthread, there is much that is pretty standard to improve your own mood).

I had anxiety for a while and used a lot of the tools there. Meditation is really helpful for example.

No, it's manipulative bull. It's a way of telling people that if things are going badly it must be their fault because they're not thinking in the right way. Often used in MLMs to gaslit participants into staying.

Your thoughts can influence your emotions and your behaviours, and your behaviours of course have an impact on what happens in your life. Thoughts alone don't do shit. It's akin to magical thinking.

Oh, just saw your comment saying you had OCD.

LoA is a dangerous thing to get into if you have OCD as it reinforces the same type of magical thinking that's often a symptom of OCD. OCD will tell you that if you have a bad thought, your partner will die in their sleep tonight (for example), or that if you don't check the taps, your grandma will have a heart attack. Magical thinking. Stay well away from LoA anyway, but especially if you have OCD.

That just shows it's twaddle. Everyone is scared of getting cancer, MND, Alzheimer's all those things. Many don't get any of them though even though they're scared of it.

@raincheckrosemary anything you think about comes to fruition :/

I think a lot about rumpy pumpy with Chris Hemsworth.

Still waiting ......

Yes I've always been a daydreamer.
It does not work I can assure you!

Good luck op it's always hard to leave behind an established way of thinking. But it can be done given time and practice.💐

@KingofLoss I was going to say this but wasn't sure anyone would know what I was on about! Yes, I absolutely have magical thinking OCD. I've joined a self help course for this specifically and what they say is me to a tee! Its just hard as a lot of info online is more about superstitious thinking like wearing specific colours etc - not a lot to be said about my kind.

Here is the batshit stuff I did around this years ago. I have always been s&*t at relationships.

1. Developed a crush on someone from work. He flirted with me now I see he was using me. I spent a fortune on psychics and this stuff and I mean thousands on love spells and Law of attraction to get him to fall in love with me. All the positive thinking etc. What happened? He is marrying someone else next week. Doesn't matter now but at the time I was in anguish.

1. When I was in my 20s and unhappily married I got a crush on an athlete in the Olympics and Commonwealth games. I looked him up and contacted his coach to try and introduce us. I bottled out of the phone call. Years later and divorced for a long time he pops into my mind, I think the Olympics or Commonwealth games again triggered it. Started to look him up. Convinced this time it is "meant to be" and when I go out to where he used to train I met a guy with his first name and his training partner's surname. Found him in a cycle event and booked a weekend away and went to see the event. Saw him before the race. Hung around in the pissing rain for hours convinced we were meant to be. Spoke to him afterwards and said hello and that I remembered him from the athletics years earlier. Read tons of books about Law of Attraction and remote seduction. Thought I had better not push it and went home. Then found an email for him. Found him on Strava and then followed him. Then he made his Strava profile private. Seen and heard nothing since.

I had it all wrong and it cost me thousands. And I felt an utter tw*t.

@ValerieCupcake Oh, sending you hugs! It's so easy to get trapped into these things - I've been the same except just with different parts of it if you read my last comments so it's not unusual at all. Do you think after the Strava thing that's when you realised?

Yes, I think I do in that being in a good place in your head, better stuff happens.

I have read a couple of manifesting books. I like Genevieve Davis and how she talks about it.

To an extent... I think having a positive, optimistic outlook can open up more opportunities, or lead someone to take more risks, which could lead to positive outcomes. And I believe the reverse can be true.

However there are many, many other factors at play (such as where you are born) and there are certain things that cannot be 'manifested' (someone finding you attractive).