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To think I've been treated badly by this friendship group due to my mother's death ?

131 replies

Koalakate · 18/05/2022 21:39

I'm trying to summarise as much as possible.

I made friends with a small group in secondary school, age. 11. We are now all 29/30. To be perfectly honest, there have been ongoing issues with the group appearing to be toxic, snobby, judgemental and at times, behaving in quite a clique and bullying manner. For some time I have thought the group have used me to "look down on," and I have noticed my friendships outside of this particular group seem to be less stressful.

The group members basically consist of me, Lauren, ( de facto leader), Lucy, Lisa, Daniel, ( single gay guy), and Jake.

Lauren has made it very, very clear she hates both my partner and Jake's girlfriend. She has a particular hatred for my partner, but has also said that as she doesn't like Jake's girlfriend, she won't allow either my partner or Jake's girlfriend to come on group holidays. She also wouldn't allow Jake to bring his ( long-term), girlfriend to her 30th a couple of weeks ago.

Lauren and I were previously very, very close, but stuff came to a head cos of how much she disliked my partner and her essentially saying it was her or him. I experienced an early pregnancy loss over a year ago, ( am now 22 weeks pregnant), and found out that Lauren had "accidentally," shared that with others, despite me wanting to keep it private. I messaged Lauren and asked her not to do this again, and she responded by blocking me on whatsapp, facebook and Instagram, ( this was five months ago).

The other's said they would continue to stay friends separately with me, but it was evident that, ( despite them saying they wanted the group to get back together), Lauren would always come first.

Lucy and Lisa had told Lauren I was pregnant when I was around 12 weeks ish, but Lauren never unblocked me to say congratulations etc.

I am pretty close with Jake, but Daniel, ( although he texted me to say he wanted to stay friends with both me and Lauren), got pretty funny with my when Lauren stopped talking to me.

Two weeks ago, my mum died suddenly and unexpectedly, ( there was no long illness, was hospitalised due to a very, very bad reaction to pneumonia as she is clinically vulnerable and died 10 days later).

Lisa, Lucy and Jake immediately messaged to offer condolences etc. They told Lauren, but she never unblocked me to say sorry for your loss etc, despite knowing my mum since we were 11.

Daniel also never messaged to say sorry about my mum, which I did think was strange as he'd spent a lot of time visiting me at my parents house, my mum was very fond of him and chatted to him regularly as an adult and he'd obviously known my mum a long time. But, I had other things in my mind, so didn't really think too much of it.

A week after the death, Lisa said she'd like to meet me to be supportive, ( Lisa lives in my hometown, I was there with my partner to assist my dad after my mum's death).

She said she and Daniel would like to meet me to offer support, and so we agreed that my partner, Lisa and Daniel would go for a walk in the park together. Daniel was behaving quite oddly when I saw him, didn't hug me, didn't directly say condolences etc. He mentioned that he was going to the dentist later that day, and so my partner, ( who immigrated to the U.K three years ago, and does not have English as a first language, which Daniel is very aware of), said, " oh what is wrong with your teeth then ?" (obviously, a native English speaker would probably say "why are you going to the dentist?" but there was no malice meant).

Shortly after, a mutual friend of ours called my partner, ( I had asked him to call a list of people and explain my mother's death. My partner took the call and was explaining what happenned, which seemed to really irritate Daniel, who kept rolling his eyes and muttering "well this is awkward your on the phone," loudly. Shortly after, Daniel left to go to the dentists.

A couple of days later, my 30th birthday happened. Obviously, the original plans had been cancelled, as this was two days before my mother's funeral. However, Lisa, Jake and his girlfriend said they'd like to meet to have sme subdued birthday drinks in the pub, ( obviously soft drinks for me, as I am 22 weeks pregnant).

Daniel texted that day to wish me a happy birthday, and I said about going to celebrate at the pub later. He said he'd love to come, and would meet us there at 7.00. He also texted Lisa to say he would look forward to meeting us there.

We got there, and Daniel didn't show up, reply to texts to answer where he was or answer his phone.

The next day Daniel never texted to apologise for standing us up, and when I texted to ask what happenned, he got very angry with me, (he was aware it was the day before my mum's funeral).

He replied "I'm not sorry I didn't attend the meeting for your birthday as I cannot stand to be around your partner. I do not like him and never will. I cannot stand to be around him. His behaviour was not normal, he was talking on the phone when we were in the park, he was rude when he said "what's wrong with your teeth", and he placed these very unsympathetic pats on your back when trying to comfort you. I find it surprising your upset I didn't show up. In the past we only met sporadically, and that speaks volumes for our friendship, in that it's not the same close bond I share with Lauren, Lucy and Lisa for example. I'm sorry, but if you carry on in this manner you'll leave me deciding to cease all contact in future."
I was shocked at this, as someone who's always had low confidence , it's never nice to hear you are valued less than any girl in the group, (especially the day before your mother's funeral). Also, it is clear the "what's wrong with your teeth" was just my partner asking in broken English why he was going to the dentist, and my partner was only taking a call whilst we were at the park to let a mutual friend know of my mum's death. Also, that I have lived across the U.K for work purposes, ( London, Scotland etc), and have always welcomed Daniel to stay individually, cooked for him , allowed him to stay for weekends etc.

I replied, " Daniel, there's nothing wrong with your teeth, he was asking why you were going to the dentist, that's normal human interaction. However, there must be something very, very wrong with your brain to think it's normal to be so cruel and spiteful to me the day before my mum's funeral."

I also pointed out that despite not feeling as "close a bond," he was happy to come and stay in my house for weekends away.

He replied saying:

  1. As far as he was concerned, coming to stay with me in my house in Scotland was exciting cos he had never seen Scotland before, seeing me was an added bonus.
  2. The fact I hadn't given him a 30th birthday gift had left an impression for "quite some time" ( I had spent over £200.00 attending his 30th birthday weekend away, I have bills and a mortgage to pay, Daniel has always lived rent free with his parents).
  3. That in saying "there must be something wrong with his brain," to treat me this way, I had shown what an unempathetic, nasty person I was. He took this as a slight against him as he has depression, and that was unforgiveable and had hurt him deeply.
  4. He was hurt so deeply he thought I should never contact him again.

He then immediately blocked me on Whatsapp, instagram, facebook and took himself out of every group chat on whatsapp or facebook we'd ever been part of.

I then had Lisa and Lucy phoning me , to say that Daniel was calling them in floods of tears to say he was deeply hurt so much that I'd "made fun of his mental health," and I should "reflect and apologise," for what I said. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't even aware he had depression, but it was a comment about how deliberately cruel he was being in saying I was the least valued member of the group the day before my Mum's funeral.

So, am i right in thinking, in these circumstances, I should cut my losses and not reflect and apologise ?

OP posts:
koalakate99 · 26/05/2022 13:24

Yes it is time to move on.

Daniel saw my dad in the local supermarket today and despite knowing what my Dad has been through, went up to him and had a go at him about his "disgraceful," daughter (me).

My dad told him to F* off, as did my Dad's neighbour, ( who was with him, helping him with shopping).

I have a text from Lisa along the lines of, "Daniel is very upset, yes he probably shouldn' t have gone up to your dad but your dad didn't need to retaliate by swearing at him, two wrongs don't make a right etc."

They will never, ever , ever admit they are wrong so I need to disengage.

Omega33 · 26/05/2022 13:26

Daniel, does make a lot of nasty comments about acquaintances / former classmates he sees in town being fat/ having acne etc though.

So you like hanging out with people who are nasty to others, but you're surprised that they're nasty to you?

Find friends who are actually nice people.

koalakate99 · 26/05/2022 13:33

Omega33 · 26/05/2022 13:26

Daniel, does make a lot of nasty comments about acquaintances / former classmates he sees in town being fat/ having acne etc though.

So you like hanging out with people who are nasty to others, but you're surprised that they're nasty to you?

Find friends who are actually nice people.

Well I didn't "enjoy" him being nasty but I do take your point, the comments e.g I saw spotty sam walking down the street, her acne hasn't got better since school, were nasty and I should have actively backed out a lot sooner.

koalakate99 · 26/05/2022 13:39

But I'd also point out, my Dad is 70, his neighbour 75. Daniel is obviously 30 and physically fit, and came up to start an argument with them in the supermarket this morning. So all this, " Daniel is so sensitive, he doesn't like being sworn at," doesn't really wash.

koalakate99 · 26/05/2022 15:00

In fact, I've just blocked all now.

I got a text from Lisa saying, " we really need to talk about what happened earlier. Arguably Daniel shouldn't have approached your Dad in the current situation, but he has lived with depression for a long time and takes his mental health very seriously. It is a condition he fights each day, and her really wanted toaddress to your dad how hurt he was. Your dad swearing at him was wrong, two wrongs don't make a right and I do think you should ask your dad to apologise for his part in this. I know he's hurting, but but he could have just politely told Daniel that he didn't want to chat about this. We're finding this all very strssful, so can you and your dad think on this ? Daniel does hate confrontation."

Fuck . This.

Just no consideration at all.

Whatsonmymindgrapes · 26/05/2022 15:15

They are all warped.

koalakate99 · 26/05/2022 15:22

Whatsonmymindgrapes · 26/05/2022 15:15

They are all warped.

I think ultimately I will always be the scapegoat. Deep down they must know that approaching my dad and starting on about him at this was wrong, but they will always try and make it 50/50 as they can't admit it was awful behaviour.

sonjadog · 26/05/2022 15:29

Poor old Lisa. Little does she know that now you are gone, she'll be the one they turn on.

Whatsonmymindgrapes · 26/05/2022 15:29

@Koalakate have you asked them if they are telling Daniel he’s wrong for approaching your dad or being rude to you? I bet they haven’t!

koalakate99 · 26/05/2022 15:54

Whatsonmymindgrapes · 26/05/2022 15:29

@Koalakate have you asked them if they are telling Daniel he’s wrong for approaching your dad or being rude to you? I bet they haven’t!

I would be willing to bet quite alot they haven't told sensitive Daniel that he's in the wrong.

Hoppinggreen · 26/05/2022 16:43

Daniel is a controlling arsehole, if challenged he gets all upset and his cheerleaders flock to his defence. He probably hates women and thinks it’s ok to be a complete misogynistic wanker because some (stupid) women assume all gay men are allies
Jesus, it’s like some crappy American teen movie

koalakate99 · 26/05/2022 17:04

Hoppinggreen · 26/05/2022 16:43

Daniel is a controlling arsehole, if challenged he gets all upset and his cheerleaders flock to his defence. He probably hates women and thinks it’s ok to be a complete misogynistic wanker because some (stupid) women assume all gay men are allies
Jesus, it’s like some crappy American teen movie

Tbh , Daniel is quite thick. He has never thrived in other social situations outside of "the group," and you can tell he doesn;t "get" jokes made by other people.

I think he almost likes to create drama here, ( including accosting my dad at the supermarket), as there is very else going on in his life.

koalakate99 · 26/05/2022 17:10

But yes, they all seem to want to carry it on.

Lisa has messaged my dad on facebook, saying words to the effect of, she's deeply sorry for his loss , but retaliation is not right and can she pass him Daniel's number so he can say sorry for not responding more maturely.

My dad has blocked.

I think they just want a reaction now tbh. Lisa's actually an intelligent women, she can't seriously expect my dad to apologise to Daniel. It's all baiting, so someone can tell them to f off again, and they can complain about 2reactionary behaviour."

CPL593H · 26/05/2022 17:27

It sounds like "the group" have very little in their lives, acting like a bunch of overdramatic, entitled, self obsessed teenagers. Dump and good riddance.

G0forit · 26/05/2022 17:48

Sorry for your loss, OP, it’s a shock to lose a loved one so quickly.

The friends taking Daniel’s side are enabling him to behave badly. The women are muzzling you and don’t seem to care about your circumstances. Depression, mental health problems do make people respond badly but somehow he’s been given carte-blanche to say/do whatever he wants. He’s been a selfish git to you and your dad. It does not do him any favours and it will isolate him further.

In your shoes it’s better to stay away from some of these people. There’s too much drama and friction on top of losing your mum and your pregnancy. If, in the future, any of these people want apologise they should do it over social media so you both have a record. Frankly I’d rather walk over hot coals than put up with them.

skyeisthelimit · 26/05/2022 18:04

OP I would ditch the lot of them and concentrate on making new friends through your future baby.

Daniel is a spoilt brat and your other "friends" aren't much better pandering to him. At a time when you needed your friends most, he made sure that all the attention was on him.

These people are not your friends. Just block the lot of them and move on.

koalakate999 · 14/06/2022 20:52

OP here.

An update. Daniel unblocked me on whatsapp yesterday night to send me a photo of him, lisa, lucy and lauren out for dinner; saying "haha missing you not."

This was sent at 2.00 am, and so I didn't see it until the morning, ( wwhen he's already blocked me again). I just don't know why they are so nasty.

sonjadog · 14/06/2022 21:00

Because that is who they are? Because they are unpleasant and insecure who make themselves feel better about who they are by being nasty to others? I wouldn't spend any more time thinking about it. By sending you that photo he has done you a favour. He has shown you how very little you are missing out on.

sonjadog · 14/06/2022 21:02

I suggest you block them now, so that next time they think they will get a kick out of sending you a nasty message, they will find out that they can't. Just think how much that will annoy them...

EvergreenForest · 14/06/2022 21:11

Are they 6 years old? What an immature bunch of twats.

Rise above it Op, you are better off without these knob jockeys

Yellowhase · 14/06/2022 21:55

Wow what a awful group of friends.
my question is why haven’t they stepped up when you and your dad needed them.
I think you need to take time to grieve. When your mind is clear consider how you feel about these friendships.
You don’t live in your home town I would take time away to enjoy real friendships with others.
The issue is everyone changes. I think you will look back and be glad you walked away if that’s what you choose to do. I’m sorry about your mum.

Doyoumind · 14/06/2022 23:31

They haven't forgotten about you because they know they've been nasty and sending that message is a way of him reinforcing the lie he's told himself that he's in the right. It just proves the opposite but he's clearly too stupid to see that. What horrible people. You are so well rid of them. Block and move on.

eurochick · 15/06/2022 06:59

They are just awful people. I'm shocked at adults behaving so poorly. Daniel berating your 70 year old recently widowed dad is shockingly awful behaviour. Block them all and move on. You are starting a new stage of your life with the baby so it is a good opportunity to make new friends.

Mally100 · 15/06/2022 12:29

Sorry about your mum op. Cut these people out of your life. They are toxic, even those others who seem to be your friend- they aren't. They will drop you in a second. If people haven't matured by 30 and still behave like this, then they won't.

GreatCuppa · 15/06/2022 12:40

Just block and delete them all. They are horrible people. That latest text is so fucking childish. Let them get on with their stupid games. You don’t need them in your life.

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