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To think I've been treated badly by this friendship group due to my mother's death ?

131 replies

Koalakate · 18/05/2022 21:39

I'm trying to summarise as much as possible.

I made friends with a small group in secondary school, age. 11. We are now all 29/30. To be perfectly honest, there have been ongoing issues with the group appearing to be toxic, snobby, judgemental and at times, behaving in quite a clique and bullying manner. For some time I have thought the group have used me to "look down on," and I have noticed my friendships outside of this particular group seem to be less stressful.

The group members basically consist of me, Lauren, ( de facto leader), Lucy, Lisa, Daniel, ( single gay guy), and Jake.

Lauren has made it very, very clear she hates both my partner and Jake's girlfriend. She has a particular hatred for my partner, but has also said that as she doesn't like Jake's girlfriend, she won't allow either my partner or Jake's girlfriend to come on group holidays. She also wouldn't allow Jake to bring his ( long-term), girlfriend to her 30th a couple of weeks ago.

Lauren and I were previously very, very close, but stuff came to a head cos of how much she disliked my partner and her essentially saying it was her or him. I experienced an early pregnancy loss over a year ago, ( am now 22 weeks pregnant), and found out that Lauren had "accidentally," shared that with others, despite me wanting to keep it private. I messaged Lauren and asked her not to do this again, and she responded by blocking me on whatsapp, facebook and Instagram, ( this was five months ago).

The other's said they would continue to stay friends separately with me, but it was evident that, ( despite them saying they wanted the group to get back together), Lauren would always come first.

Lucy and Lisa had told Lauren I was pregnant when I was around 12 weeks ish, but Lauren never unblocked me to say congratulations etc.

I am pretty close with Jake, but Daniel, ( although he texted me to say he wanted to stay friends with both me and Lauren), got pretty funny with my when Lauren stopped talking to me.

Two weeks ago, my mum died suddenly and unexpectedly, ( there was no long illness, was hospitalised due to a very, very bad reaction to pneumonia as she is clinically vulnerable and died 10 days later).

Lisa, Lucy and Jake immediately messaged to offer condolences etc. They told Lauren, but she never unblocked me to say sorry for your loss etc, despite knowing my mum since we were 11.

Daniel also never messaged to say sorry about my mum, which I did think was strange as he'd spent a lot of time visiting me at my parents house, my mum was very fond of him and chatted to him regularly as an adult and he'd obviously known my mum a long time. But, I had other things in my mind, so didn't really think too much of it.

A week after the death, Lisa said she'd like to meet me to be supportive, ( Lisa lives in my hometown, I was there with my partner to assist my dad after my mum's death).

She said she and Daniel would like to meet me to offer support, and so we agreed that my partner, Lisa and Daniel would go for a walk in the park together. Daniel was behaving quite oddly when I saw him, didn't hug me, didn't directly say condolences etc. He mentioned that he was going to the dentist later that day, and so my partner, ( who immigrated to the U.K three years ago, and does not have English as a first language, which Daniel is very aware of), said, " oh what is wrong with your teeth then ?" (obviously, a native English speaker would probably say "why are you going to the dentist?" but there was no malice meant).

Shortly after, a mutual friend of ours called my partner, ( I had asked him to call a list of people and explain my mother's death. My partner took the call and was explaining what happenned, which seemed to really irritate Daniel, who kept rolling his eyes and muttering "well this is awkward your on the phone," loudly. Shortly after, Daniel left to go to the dentists.

A couple of days later, my 30th birthday happened. Obviously, the original plans had been cancelled, as this was two days before my mother's funeral. However, Lisa, Jake and his girlfriend said they'd like to meet to have sme subdued birthday drinks in the pub, ( obviously soft drinks for me, as I am 22 weeks pregnant).

Daniel texted that day to wish me a happy birthday, and I said about going to celebrate at the pub later. He said he'd love to come, and would meet us there at 7.00. He also texted Lisa to say he would look forward to meeting us there.

We got there, and Daniel didn't show up, reply to texts to answer where he was or answer his phone.

The next day Daniel never texted to apologise for standing us up, and when I texted to ask what happenned, he got very angry with me, (he was aware it was the day before my mum's funeral).

He replied "I'm not sorry I didn't attend the meeting for your birthday as I cannot stand to be around your partner. I do not like him and never will. I cannot stand to be around him. His behaviour was not normal, he was talking on the phone when we were in the park, he was rude when he said "what's wrong with your teeth", and he placed these very unsympathetic pats on your back when trying to comfort you. I find it surprising your upset I didn't show up. In the past we only met sporadically, and that speaks volumes for our friendship, in that it's not the same close bond I share with Lauren, Lucy and Lisa for example. I'm sorry, but if you carry on in this manner you'll leave me deciding to cease all contact in future."
I was shocked at this, as someone who's always had low confidence , it's never nice to hear you are valued less than any girl in the group, (especially the day before your mother's funeral). Also, it is clear the "what's wrong with your teeth" was just my partner asking in broken English why he was going to the dentist, and my partner was only taking a call whilst we were at the park to let a mutual friend know of my mum's death. Also, that I have lived across the U.K for work purposes, ( London, Scotland etc), and have always welcomed Daniel to stay individually, cooked for him , allowed him to stay for weekends etc.

I replied, " Daniel, there's nothing wrong with your teeth, he was asking why you were going to the dentist, that's normal human interaction. However, there must be something very, very wrong with your brain to think it's normal to be so cruel and spiteful to me the day before my mum's funeral."

I also pointed out that despite not feeling as "close a bond," he was happy to come and stay in my house for weekends away.

He replied saying:

  1. As far as he was concerned, coming to stay with me in my house in Scotland was exciting cos he had never seen Scotland before, seeing me was an added bonus.
  2. The fact I hadn't given him a 30th birthday gift had left an impression for "quite some time" ( I had spent over £200.00 attending his 30th birthday weekend away, I have bills and a mortgage to pay, Daniel has always lived rent free with his parents).
  3. That in saying "there must be something wrong with his brain," to treat me this way, I had shown what an unempathetic, nasty person I was. He took this as a slight against him as he has depression, and that was unforgiveable and had hurt him deeply.
  4. He was hurt so deeply he thought I should never contact him again.

He then immediately blocked me on Whatsapp, instagram, facebook and took himself out of every group chat on whatsapp or facebook we'd ever been part of.

I then had Lisa and Lucy phoning me , to say that Daniel was calling them in floods of tears to say he was deeply hurt so much that I'd "made fun of his mental health," and I should "reflect and apologise," for what I said. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't even aware he had depression, but it was a comment about how deliberately cruel he was being in saying I was the least valued member of the group the day before my Mum's funeral.

So, am i right in thinking, in these circumstances, I should cut my losses and not reflect and apologise ?

OP posts:
Eddielizzard · 19/05/2022 07:16

I'm so sorry about your mum. This is a very difficult and sensitive time.

Your friendship with this group needs to be finished. You've come out of it with Jake and Sally, and keep it that way. Lisa and Lucy will keep delivering flying monkeys, so I would cut contact with them too.

Deal with your grief and your pregnancy without this toxicity in your life. You will feel so much better for it.

dapsnotplimsolls · 19/05/2022 07:26

Sorry about your Mum. You don't need this nonsense in your life. Block them all apart from Jake.

layladomino · 19/05/2022 07:30

So very sorry about your Mum. These people aren't friends. They are making that clear. Quite the opposite - they are venomous, immature and selfish in their dealings with you.

Not friends.

So don't bother with them anymore. You have other friends, you have your family. Concentrate on the people who make you feel better about life, not the ones who make it worse.

The ones that are OK such as Jake you can keep in touch with, but totally separate from the group.

Once you leave the group they'll likely need someone else to gang up on. It might start to weaken the 'leader's' position, which needs doing.

They sound so childish.

gettingolderandgrumpy · 19/05/2022 07:36

You’ve outgrown each other and they sound very immature. This hatred of your partner is odd too unless a back story? Honestly he was in floods of tears I’d say fuck off to that .
but in all honesty this all happened the day before your mums funeral is absolutely disgusting and they should be ashamed of themselves. I’d not want to be friends with any of them for that . Block the lot of them move on with your partner and make new friends.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:09

I got locked out of previous account, but am the OP.

Tbh I just feel really down about the whole situation:

  • Lucy and Lisa have repeatedly contacted me to say,
  • Yes Daniel was nasty first, but there's "no excuse," for me to have retaliated back.
  • I need to understand that Daniel's depression makes him very sensitive and anxious and should understand how much the "why you going to the dentist/ what's up with your teeth" from my partner would have caused massive massive anxieties.
  • Daniel is in floods of tears and perceives my "nothing wrong with your teeth, but must be something wrong with your brain to be so cruel over the funeral" to be a massive disrespectful dig at him for having depression, ( despite the fact Daniel is fully aware I have taken antidepressants myself).
  • Daniel was laying down his boundaries and just talking honestly about his feelings over the funeral, and should not be penalised for that.
They have taken him on a spontaneous theatre trip to cheer him up as he's "so upset" and want me to return to our home town for a mediation where you apologise for hurting his feelings, ( I've now returned to my current town following the funeral).

I'm just so hurt they don't seem to understand that Daniel is the one in the wrong.

Sally ( left the group a couple of years ago), says it is just typical of them, as does my friend Helen, ( who was kicked out of the group 8/9 years ago but stayed in touch with me, as they, ( Lauren particularly) didn't approve of her having casual sex when she was single), says it's a very cult like environment where the core members/ leaders will always assert their "betterness" over everyone else.

But I'm just so upset. Even though logically I know daniel is an arsehole, I'm upset that Lisa and Lucy perceive me as being in the wrong.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:14

I think all the pictures of them at the theatre to "cheer him up!" wound me up, as well as them insisting I should apologise to him "for the sake of the group!"

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:22

But basically, should I refuse to apologise and firmly drift away from the group, telling them why ?

Bananarama21 · 25/05/2022 19:25

It's all pov isn't. Would be interesting to see what his side was and if the others don't like your dp but haven't said. Just walk away.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 25/05/2022 19:26

I don’t fit in. I’m a funny kind of bugger and definitely an acquired taste.

Over the years, I’ve wished for a friend group. I’m lucky that I have a few colleagues who have been supportive during tricky times. And there are a wonderful couple of women on here who brighten my day.

Im over 50 now and have come to realise that I don’t need more than this as I have people in my life who I love in my odd little way.

Life is too short for this kind of drama cherub. Some of the group don’t seem like ‘good people’ and you are pregnant and don’t need the pish.

Only have folk in your life who matter to you and if you matter to them.

Friends should enrich eachothers lives, not cause angst. 🌻

Hoppinggreen · 25/05/2022 19:28

You are all stuck in your 11 year old roles and can’t develop proper adult relationships with eachother.
Just drop the lot of them, none of it is healthy

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:29

Bananarama21 · 25/05/2022 19:25

It's all pov isn't. Would be interesting to see what his side was and if the others don't like your dp but haven't said. Just walk away.

Well my POV is he didn't need to tell me, the day before the funeral, that he only came to stay with cos he wanted to see scotland and I waas just a bonus as far as he was concerned, that he valued me less than any other girl in the friendship group and that "spoke volumes" for our friendship, and have a go at me for not getting him a birthday gift when I'd spent £200.00 attending his birthday weekend away.

He also didn't need to logon to FB on the day of the funeral itself, find 30 event specific group chats from over a decade ago that hadn't been used in 10 years, and remove from each one, so I got dozens of notifications to that affect when I came home from the funeral.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:30

Hoppinggreen · 25/05/2022 19:28

You are all stuck in your 11 year old roles and can’t develop proper adult relationships with eachother.
Just drop the lot of them, none of it is healthy

But I don't see what I've done that's wrong.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:36

But I just feel it's abnormal they can't understand he's the one that was being bullying and nasty over the funeral.

CaperCaper · 25/05/2022 19:39

They aren't nice people. At the worst of times you find out who is there for you. These people are not your friends. You are right to cur them loose. You block them. You know the truth, they will never accept it. Move on and find new friends because if you try and smooth things over and continue with this lot you'll have plenty more upset to follow down the years. Your mum has just died...why are they propping up Daniel as if he's some sort of victim?! You are right that their actions aren't normal, but it will all be about the dynamic of keeping queen bee happy I'm sure. What a toxic lot.

Reallyreallyborednow · 25/05/2022 19:45

Daniel was just waiting for a reason to cut you loose

my first thought was he’s always hoped for a relationship with o/p, but now she’s pregnant that’s his hopes dashed and he’s taking it out on her/her partner.

you’re best off out of it all o/p.

LondonLovie · 25/05/2022 19:45

This is now so toxic. It doesn't really matter who or who doesn't think you are in the wrong. They won't be able to see it.

Who are they to ban people's partners from events? They have no right to do that- did you not tell them to fuck the fuck off when they said your partner wasn't 'allowed' to come and they didn't like them? Are they racist twats because of the language barrier?

I am sorry for your loss, but can't feel you didn't stand up for your partner, and those other women you said got 'chucked' out the group all those years ago- did you stand up for them? Now it's your turn to be turned on and turfed out. So I would walk away, and not look back

Hoppinggreen · 25/05/2022 19:47

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:30

But I don't see what I've done that's wrong.

It doesn’t matter, something /nothing
Its not healthy or good for any of you to be behaving like you are 11 when you are 30.
Move on

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:56

Reallyreallyborednow · 25/05/2022 19:45

Daniel was just waiting for a reason to cut you loose

my first thought was he’s always hoped for a relationship with o/p, but now she’s pregnant that’s his hopes dashed and he’s taking it out on her/her partner.

you’re best off out of it all o/p.

Unfortunately he doesn't have that excuse, as he is gay, and has been "out," as gay to the group since he was 18, so it's definitely not that he secretly fancies me.

Jake's girlfriend is also European, ( she is Italian ), and my boyfriend is Hungarian, and she said to him " I think they don't like us cos we're european/ foreign, but I'm not sure how true that is.

LooseGoose22 · 25/05/2022 19:58

Daniel sounds like a seif absorbed, self indulgent, unreasonable, shallow, possibly narcissist, drama llama.... and one of those ppl who ppl think are "nice" but in reality thry are not nice at all.

There are some ppl who are very chatty, superficially "warm", charming, etc so the above happens ... and ppl don't realise they are actually very selfish, low integrity etc.

Sounds like he's that type.

ConfusedElephant · 25/05/2022 19:59

OP is Jake's girlfriend non white / non British / from abroad as well?

These people are not your friends.
Did they go to the funeral?
Even if they were annoyed with you for whatever they have imagined they couldn't let it go! A day before your mum's funeral.
You don't need this trash in your life.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 19:59

And I did stick up for the other women. I went on holiday with Sally a couple of years after she left the group, and stuck up for my right to go when Lauren's boyfriend had a massive go at me for it.

He also used to refer to Helen, ( years after she left the group), as the "slut" ( due to the fact her two children have different father's), and I told him how wrong and offensive that was.

LooseGoose22 · 25/05/2022 20:00

He's the sort that would gel with a queen bee type like Lauren so hardly surprising they've former there own bitch group: and believe they are the leaders of your group.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 20:01

ConfusedElephant · 25/05/2022 19:59

OP is Jake's girlfriend non white / non British / from abroad as well?

These people are not your friends.
Did they go to the funeral?
Even if they were annoyed with you for whatever they have imagined they couldn't let it go! A day before your mum's funeral.
You don't need this trash in your life.

Yes Jake's girlfriend is Italian, my boyfriend is Hungarian. Jake's girlfriend lived in the u.k for seven years, my boyfriend for four years, ( however although they ae Italian/ Hungarian they are both white). The rest of the group, ( including myself), is white English.

LooseGoose22 · 25/05/2022 20:02

He also used to refer to Helen, ( years after she left the group), as the "slut" ( due to the fact her two children have different father's), and I told him how wrong and offensive that was.

Why are you surprised he's a shit, when when clearly shown before he's a shit.

Glindaswand · 25/05/2022 20:03

They sound like a bunch of twats, cut them all out and blaze onwards into the sunset & don’t look back