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To think I've been treated badly by this friendship group due to my mother's death ?

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Koalakate · 18/05/2022 21:39

I'm trying to summarise as much as possible.

I made friends with a small group in secondary school, age. 11. We are now all 29/30. To be perfectly honest, there have been ongoing issues with the group appearing to be toxic, snobby, judgemental and at times, behaving in quite a clique and bullying manner. For some time I have thought the group have used me to "look down on," and I have noticed my friendships outside of this particular group seem to be less stressful.

The group members basically consist of me, Lauren, ( de facto leader), Lucy, Lisa, Daniel, ( single gay guy), and Jake.

Lauren has made it very, very clear she hates both my partner and Jake's girlfriend. She has a particular hatred for my partner, but has also said that as she doesn't like Jake's girlfriend, she won't allow either my partner or Jake's girlfriend to come on group holidays. She also wouldn't allow Jake to bring his ( long-term), girlfriend to her 30th a couple of weeks ago.

Lauren and I were previously very, very close, but stuff came to a head cos of how much she disliked my partner and her essentially saying it was her or him. I experienced an early pregnancy loss over a year ago, ( am now 22 weeks pregnant), and found out that Lauren had "accidentally," shared that with others, despite me wanting to keep it private. I messaged Lauren and asked her not to do this again, and she responded by blocking me on whatsapp, facebook and Instagram, ( this was five months ago).

The other's said they would continue to stay friends separately with me, but it was evident that, ( despite them saying they wanted the group to get back together), Lauren would always come first.

Lucy and Lisa had told Lauren I was pregnant when I was around 12 weeks ish, but Lauren never unblocked me to say congratulations etc.

I am pretty close with Jake, but Daniel, ( although he texted me to say he wanted to stay friends with both me and Lauren), got pretty funny with my when Lauren stopped talking to me.

Two weeks ago, my mum died suddenly and unexpectedly, ( there was no long illness, was hospitalised due to a very, very bad reaction to pneumonia as she is clinically vulnerable and died 10 days later).

Lisa, Lucy and Jake immediately messaged to offer condolences etc. They told Lauren, but she never unblocked me to say sorry for your loss etc, despite knowing my mum since we were 11.

Daniel also never messaged to say sorry about my mum, which I did think was strange as he'd spent a lot of time visiting me at my parents house, my mum was very fond of him and chatted to him regularly as an adult and he'd obviously known my mum a long time. But, I had other things in my mind, so didn't really think too much of it.

A week after the death, Lisa said she'd like to meet me to be supportive, ( Lisa lives in my hometown, I was there with my partner to assist my dad after my mum's death).

She said she and Daniel would like to meet me to offer support, and so we agreed that my partner, Lisa and Daniel would go for a walk in the park together. Daniel was behaving quite oddly when I saw him, didn't hug me, didn't directly say condolences etc. He mentioned that he was going to the dentist later that day, and so my partner, ( who immigrated to the U.K three years ago, and does not have English as a first language, which Daniel is very aware of), said, " oh what is wrong with your teeth then ?" (obviously, a native English speaker would probably say "why are you going to the dentist?" but there was no malice meant).

Shortly after, a mutual friend of ours called my partner, ( I had asked him to call a list of people and explain my mother's death. My partner took the call and was explaining what happenned, which seemed to really irritate Daniel, who kept rolling his eyes and muttering "well this is awkward your on the phone," loudly. Shortly after, Daniel left to go to the dentists.

A couple of days later, my 30th birthday happened. Obviously, the original plans had been cancelled, as this was two days before my mother's funeral. However, Lisa, Jake and his girlfriend said they'd like to meet to have sme subdued birthday drinks in the pub, ( obviously soft drinks for me, as I am 22 weeks pregnant).

Daniel texted that day to wish me a happy birthday, and I said about going to celebrate at the pub later. He said he'd love to come, and would meet us there at 7.00. He also texted Lisa to say he would look forward to meeting us there.

We got there, and Daniel didn't show up, reply to texts to answer where he was or answer his phone.

The next day Daniel never texted to apologise for standing us up, and when I texted to ask what happenned, he got very angry with me, (he was aware it was the day before my mum's funeral).

He replied "I'm not sorry I didn't attend the meeting for your birthday as I cannot stand to be around your partner. I do not like him and never will. I cannot stand to be around him. His behaviour was not normal, he was talking on the phone when we were in the park, he was rude when he said "what's wrong with your teeth", and he placed these very unsympathetic pats on your back when trying to comfort you. I find it surprising your upset I didn't show up. In the past we only met sporadically, and that speaks volumes for our friendship, in that it's not the same close bond I share with Lauren, Lucy and Lisa for example. I'm sorry, but if you carry on in this manner you'll leave me deciding to cease all contact in future."
I was shocked at this, as someone who's always had low confidence , it's never nice to hear you are valued less than any girl in the group, (especially the day before your mother's funeral). Also, it is clear the "what's wrong with your teeth" was just my partner asking in broken English why he was going to the dentist, and my partner was only taking a call whilst we were at the park to let a mutual friend know of my mum's death. Also, that I have lived across the U.K for work purposes, ( London, Scotland etc), and have always welcomed Daniel to stay individually, cooked for him , allowed him to stay for weekends etc.

I replied, " Daniel, there's nothing wrong with your teeth, he was asking why you were going to the dentist, that's normal human interaction. However, there must be something very, very wrong with your brain to think it's normal to be so cruel and spiteful to me the day before my mum's funeral."

I also pointed out that despite not feeling as "close a bond," he was happy to come and stay in my house for weekends away.

He replied saying:

  1. As far as he was concerned, coming to stay with me in my house in Scotland was exciting cos he had never seen Scotland before, seeing me was an added bonus.
  2. The fact I hadn't given him a 30th birthday gift had left an impression for "quite some time" ( I had spent over £200.00 attending his 30th birthday weekend away, I have bills and a mortgage to pay, Daniel has always lived rent free with his parents).
  3. That in saying "there must be something wrong with his brain," to treat me this way, I had shown what an unempathetic, nasty person I was. He took this as a slight against him as he has depression, and that was unforgiveable and had hurt him deeply.
  4. He was hurt so deeply he thought I should never contact him again.

He then immediately blocked me on Whatsapp, instagram, facebook and took himself out of every group chat on whatsapp or facebook we'd ever been part of.

I then had Lisa and Lucy phoning me , to say that Daniel was calling them in floods of tears to say he was deeply hurt so much that I'd "made fun of his mental health," and I should "reflect and apologise," for what I said. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't even aware he had depression, but it was a comment about how deliberately cruel he was being in saying I was the least valued member of the group the day before my Mum's funeral.

So, am i right in thinking, in these circumstances, I should cut my losses and not reflect and apologise ?

OP posts:
LooseGoose22 · 25/05/2022 20:03

stuck up for my right to go when Lauren's boyfriend had a massive go at me for it.

So Lauren's bf is a bully like her.

Concentrate of developing new friendship groups and phase these ones out.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 20:06

LooseGoose22 · 25/05/2022 20:02

He also used to refer to Helen, ( years after she left the group), as the "slut" ( due to the fact her two children have different father's), and I told him how wrong and offensive that was.

Why are you surprised he's a shit, when when clearly shown before he's a shit.

Sorry that wasn't clear.

That was Lauren, ( the leaders) boyfriend, who was specifically nasty about that particular women, not Daniel.

Daniel, does make a lot of nasty comments about acquaintances / former classmates he sees in town being fat/ having acne etc though.

I don't even think I'm upset with Daniel, as i've always known he was immature, a stirrer, not very bright and not very nice; but it's more the other girls automatically taking his side.

chocaholic73 · 25/05/2022 20:12

I'm sorry about your Mum and their lack of understanding and sympathy around the time of her death/funeral is incredible. I honestly don't know what you're getting from this group, all you have is common history. You have other friends who have previously walked away from this group which is very telling. You need to move on OP. You do have other friends, focus on them and your partner and pregnancy. You don't need this bunch.

Weefreetiffany · 25/05/2022 20:23

Did any if them attend the funeral?

they sound awful, they only value you as an underling not as a friend who they respect. Cut ties and don’t look back.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 20:23

The only possible explanation I can think of is Daniel is a little bitter because of his lifestyle.

He has always lived with his parents, they cook for him, do his laundry, drive him to work etc ( he doesn't drive). He was born in our hometown, and never, ever left, ( went to the local uni). He has got a degree, but has never left our hometown since graduating nine years ago and works minimum wage/ service jobs. He is openly gay, ( and has been since 18), but has never had long-term relationships etc beyond a few dates.

He's therefore got quite a narrow mindset and so will still be really invested in "did you see X from school in town, she was looking spotty/ fat/ has another kid on the way" cos he's never really socialised outside the group with college/ uni/ work friends etc.

He's therefore very, very wrapped up in the group.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 20:25

Weefreetiffany · 25/05/2022 20:23

Did any if them attend the funeral?

they sound awful, they only value you as an underling not as a friend who they respect. Cut ties and don’t look back.

None of them went to the funeral, or the wake.
As the funeral was later afternoon, the wake was in my dad's house in the evening, ( so after work), and very local to them.

A couple of friends who are not connected to the group attended.

koalakate99 · 25/05/2022 20:27

Also to add, Daniel doesn't really need to be in a bad mood this week though, as he's recently been offered a full-time job in the giftshop of a local museum, which he is really happy about.

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 25/05/2022 20:31

Life is too short for negative people. I do think your comment about something being wrong with his brain was ill advised - you could have just said it is cruel to say these things the day before mums funeral and leave it at that. With people like these, stick just to the facts and leave out personal comments - it wont help you to stoop to their level and it will just escalate things with them. I am so sorry for your loss.

Weefreetiffany · 25/05/2022 20:44

thats awful. I get why you’re bitter, but don’t let it pull you under or displace your grief/ distract you from what’s important. I’m sorry for your loss. I lost my mum last autumn and it’s awful. My deepest condolences

Concestor · 25/05/2022 20:45

Reply to the texts about going for mediation with one word: no.

Then unfriend on Facebook and act other social media but don't block (too childish), just ignore anything else they send you. It will really piss them off that you aren't replying.

They sound horrendous.

Whatsonmymindgrapes · 25/05/2022 20:48

This is awful. Sorry for your loss. You really don’t need these people.

UnderTheMoonlightWeDanced · 25/05/2022 21:00

Seriously. Stop looking for reassurance that they are in the wrong. What you’ve described is the most toxic, vomit inducing friendship circle. Who cares if they now hate you and bitch about you all day, every day. That’s their problem.

Even the ones you describe as “nice” they condone this awful awful behaviour so yeah they are shits too. If my best friends mum had died and she was being terrible to me (I’m not saying you are) we would all be keeping our mouths shut and just supporting them regardless understanding whatever they were going through was more important than us right now.

Why would you even want to be associated with people like that. I can’t remember the saying is it “don’t let them live rent free in your head” I think that’s it lol.

if you need to for closure I would send one last message to the two “nice” ones and say something like “Daniel’s behaviour around the death of my mother and you all supporting him when I am literally in hell has made me realise I can’t have anything to do with this toxic group anymore - my friends have helped me realise how truly awful this behaviour from you all was. I will be blocking you all and moving on.”
and then move on.
im sorry for your loss it’s in Terrible times like this you realise who has your back.

Pandapop3 · 25/05/2022 21:15

Do absolutely nothing. Any reaction you give will feed their egos. It's something for the group to gossip about, I imagine Lauren's living everymoment of this.

Send a lovely message to Jake saying that you really value his friendship. Focus on Helen and Sally. Tbh you should have ditched this group long ago when they banned your boyfriend but I understand that it's hard to see toxicity when you've grown up together.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Focus on your little baby. As someone who gave birth last year, I can reassure you that you have some wonderful moments ahead of you and tbh this grouo aren't worthy of your free time when it's soon to become quite rare

anothernamedoesntsmellsosweet · 25/05/2022 21:16

They are all stuck in the ridiculous small town melodrama. They are jealous that you have moved from the area and moved on. Tell them to fuck off and leave it alone. They are arseholes and not worth your time

Maytodecember · 25/05/2022 21:17

I’m sorry for your loss. You deserved support and kindness not this melodramatic bunch.
I don’t think some of them have moved on from school age, they sound bitchy.
Tbh I’d keep them at arm’s length and make new friends.

onlythreenow · 25/05/2022 21:18

I'm sorry to hear about your Mum Flowers

Honestly, some of your so-called friends sound horrible. Surely they are of an age to be above playing the silly games they seem to indulge in - so much drama! No matter what anyone thinks of your partner they should have offered sympathy in your loss. It all sounds like a strange set-up to me - who on earth has a "de facto" leader of a friendship group?

I would stay friends with the ones I liked, but Lauren and Daniel would not be hearing from me again.

sonjadog · 25/05/2022 21:31

These are awful people. They are stuck in a toxic circle of back-stabbing and power dynamics. It doesn't matter whether you were justified in what you said to Daniel or not, they will gang up and bitch about you behind your back because that is what they do. They have done it to your other friends who used to be in this group, and now it is your turn. This shouldn't surprise you, they have shown you who they are time and time again.

Would you not rather have friends who are kind to each other, who don't bond by being nasty about other people, who will support you in life? These people are consuming your time and energy and stopping you from spending that on people who are worthy of your friendship. Cut them loose and let them sit around in their sad little circle and bitch about other people. When you are gone, someone else will take the place as the group scapegoat, and in time they will also be pushed out by nastiness.

Doyoumind · 25/05/2022 21:54

As PP said, these are small town minds. You've got more going for you than they have. You have a partner and a baby on the way. They bring nothing to your life. Daniel is evil to create such drama at the time of your mum's death. Don't even respond. That way you take complete control of the situation. They don't care about you. Don't give them another thought.

BackToTheTop · 25/05/2022 22:06

It's time to move on now op.

FuckingNoise · 26/05/2022 06:38

Daniel is a first class CUNT. The fact your poor Mum adored him and he didn't even bother attending her funeral out of spite? Delete these bastards from your life and if I was you I would thoroughly enjoy telling them what a bunch of shit stains they really are. Please don't give them any further thought and focus on your grief x

AnuSTart · 26/05/2022 12:00

I'm so sorry for your loss OP.

The problem with friend groups since childhood is they can often maintain the same childlike dynamic which is clearly the case here.

Text them a 'so long losers!' text and then block block block.

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FoxesEat · 26/05/2022 12:26

I'd likely send a final message if contacted again, that you're not willing to be treated so poorly simply to be part of their group, you prefer to step away and concentrate on more respectful relationships but wish them the best going forward.
Other than that, drop them, cultivate your friendship with Jake and remind yourself you don't need to stay friends with people simply because you got on with them when you were 11.

racquel86 · 26/05/2022 12:37

I had similar - leave it be. Make the most of your other friendships. Don't waste your time on 'friends' that are cliquey, make life hard for you, don't take into account your life choices and hardships etc..... Yes it's sad, I still feel sad about the friendships I lost - but I clearly valued the friendship more than them cos I bet u a bottom dollar they don't think about me..... bet they don't even try to have a nosey on my fb 🤣
Friendships I've realised are quality not quantity - those that travel to see you even though you live away, those that don't expect a text back the same day or even week, those that value the twice a year u both manage to be off work, have money, no appointments.... that u can meet. I have 3 of these gorgeous friends and I'm so grateful and would not trade em for another 10 friends ❤️🙌🏻😘

Miilkywhitemoonlight · 26/05/2022 12:43

Your 30 now a watershed birthday . You've outgrown them cut off and move on .

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