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Ex wants 50/50 - am I being selfish?

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DeskInUse · 19/04/2022 22:30

Am I being selfish?

My exh has just asked to share 50% contact with our dd. We've been divorced for 8 years and our dd is now 14. We divorced due to a dv incident.

When we first divorced I offered him as much contact as he wanted, however he only wanted to see her eow, primarily due to work and him not wanting to take a step down in his career. As she's got older, his relationship with her has improved. I try to be charitable and put this down to the fact that some people just don't enjoy small children. In reality my opinion is that she's far more self sufficient and less 'work'

I feel uncomfortable with his request for a few reasons, firstly he met a woman in January, and she moved into his house a few weeks ago with her 2 dd (who see their df 50% of the time), this woman is a stranger, someone she's (and my ex) have only known for 4 months. My ex has had countless gf's, who would always be introduced to dd, within weeks of them meeting. He's never been more than a few weeks without a gf, this will be the 3rd woman he's moved in with since we split.

I think because he's now got a live in gf who also has dc, it won't be him looking after dd, the new woman works from home and chances are he won't be changing his lifestyle to accommodate my dd, his new gf probably will.

I recently found out my dd has been self harming, I've arrange some private counselling which is due to start this week.

This may, or may not be related to the self harming, but I fostered a little girl a few years ago. Un- be known to me, she had severe behavioural issues, and my dd bore the brunt of this, and she ended up having to leave and go to a specialist placement which my dd took quite hard. We still see her, but I know my dd still misses her a lot.

My ex has always been quite self centred, his wants have always come first. He would refuse to contribute to things like school informs, saying he had no money, but in the same week buy a new car, or tell me he couldn't afford to contribute towards her hobby and then book a holiday for himself. He's happy for her to tag along to what he's doing, but will rarely put himself out for her, such as driving to her friends house. It's only recently I've managed to convince him to take her to her hobby on a weekend

He also puts very few boundaries in place, she can do what she wants when she's with him.

I'm really trying to put her first, but I don't see any benefit to a 50/50 split for her. I'm not sure if this is my selfishness in not wanting her to go, or that i have valid reasons. I know if I asked her she'd not tell me what she wanted, she'd just try and keep the peace and not want to upset him.

I've told him we'll have a conversation this week but my head is a muddle and I want to do what's right for dd, not what's right for me or my ex.

OP posts:
Pinkyxx · 27/04/2022 20:00

Parenting a child is more than just having them under your roof for 50% of the time. It involves catering to all their needs practical (driving to school / activities), emotional (therapy / support) and financial (paying for food, clothes, pocket money, therapy, horse riding).

50/50 is supposed to mean just that - the parents share everything equally. This is why CMS is not payable. OP can't magic more money so not sure what people expect her to do. I don't see this is OP imposing consequences on her DD at all, it's important to consider all implications - this way everyone understands how it will work. It would be awful if OP assumed her ex would fund the horse riding and take their child only for when the new set up is in place him to turn around and say ''well I thought you'd still pay?''. or '' I thought you'd still take her''.

DeskInUse · 05/05/2022 08:07

Just coming back on here to vent a little, so we've agreed to trail the 50/50, my ex assured me he'd continue with her activities, make sure she went to bed on time, homework etc, and has made all the right noises, and he even took her school shoe shopping this week. All good so far. He hasn't paid me any cm this month, as expected, but didn't warn me either, and I've explain to him about the child benefit.

Anyway, I find out today, that on his first weekend he won't be taking her to her lesson or club, as he's taking her to a racetrack because he's doing HIS hobby that weekend! My dd hates watching his hobby, she's been around it all her life and is completely bored with it all. So on his first ever week, as a 50% parent, he's already putting his own hobby, over and above that of his dd. It remains to be seen if he'll take her midweek.

Im a whole host of emotions right now, I'm so angry at him, and I'm so upset for her, she did try to say it would be nice to go with him, but I could tell she was only trying to say the right thing. I didn't react at all, just smiled and nodded. I'm aware I don't want to be the bitter mum who does nothing but badmouth her df so don't bad mouth him at all.

Ironically a person in a neighbouring village approached us this week as she's looking for a someone to help look after and exercise her horse, my dd is thrilled and excited, but of course it all depends if her df will make the effort to bring her on his weeks (it's a 20 min drive for him, 10 for us).

OP posts:
caringcarer · 05/05/2022 09:42

Have a chat with her and tell her her Dad wants to see her more. Ask if she would like a midweek sleepover one night or not. Make it clear she does not have to if it would disrupt other hobbies and remind her about her GCSEs. Would it be disruptive and better left until she has taken them?

caringcarer · 05/05/2022 09:47

Can't you explain to her if she does 50.50 her Dad won't pay for her riding lessons or therapy? It sounds like he is manipulating her do he has to pay less. Sounds like she needs her riding for emotional well being. I would say no to protect her interest.

Quartz2208 · 05/05/2022 09:49

Talk to your DD and tell her that she doesnt have to go with her fathers wishes - and if she wants to change something to let you know

Talk to him about the other thing as well - and say to him that he needs to prioritise her

Im sorry though

caringcarer · 05/05/2022 10:31

Just seen your update OP. That is terribly selfish of him. I would reiterate to dd she does not have to do 50.50 and can go back to row and one sleepover midweek and still do her riding and therapy too.

SortingItOut · 05/05/2022 11:12

Keep smiling and nodding when she mentions stuff you don't agree with.

Soon she'll realise she can't do her hobbies when she is at her dad's due to his hobbies taking priority and she'll make her own choices

sleepymum50 · 05/05/2022 11:24

Can you put it off until your DD has had at least a couple of sessions of counselling?

it may be the therapist can help her work out what she truly wants, and then she will be able to tell you and her dad.

Ive been seeing a therapist and at the end of the third session she told me she wanted me to use my “I” voice more. To say “I want ….” And to keep saying it until I get heard.

ChateauMargaux · 05/05/2022 11:50

Ideally, you would be able to set it all out and show her what her father has agreed ...

Previously paid £300 per month in CMS which covered £25 horse riding lessons 3 times per week - he no longer pays this to you. You will fund the lessons in your time out of your own finances and he has agreed to do the same during his time.

Also tell her, in case he brings it up.. that the Child Benefit you receive, half is paid directly to her in pocket money and half into her trust fund which she will receive in 4 years time.

Remind her that he has promised to share all other costs associated with her including hobbies, clothing, school trips.

It seems like there needs to be some sort of contract that all three of you are party to so that you can go forward. But from what you said... none of that would be easy.... pinning him down to that, or even getting him to agree to such a discussion would be almost impossible..

Poor girl... and what a dick your ex is.

Theunamedcat · 05/05/2022 15:33

She will sadly learn the hard way you can only tell children so much just let her know anytime she wants to change back you will talk about it (because you don't want to get into the habit of picking up what he has dropped all the time and paying for it without him contributing)

AryaStarkWolf · 05/05/2022 16:04

At least this is just a trial run OP, if he carries on how he's started out maybe she will decide not to make the arrangement permanent

LannieDuck · 08/05/2022 20:25

This is what she needs to see. You know how he is, but she's never seen it. After a couple of these let-downs, remind her gently that she's free to choose for herself how much contact time she has, and she can go back to the previous arrangement if she wants (or choose a different arrangement if she prefers).

Once she starts to complain about how rubbish he is, I would also sympathise and validate what she's feeling. I know you shouldn't bad-mouth your ex, but equally I don't think you should deny reality - it must be very disappointing for her, and she needs to know what she's feeling is entirely understandable.

PearPickingPorky · 08/05/2022 20:50

Poor DD. It must be horrible to slowly realise you've made the wrong decision because your dad is a selfish arse.

MadeForThis · 08/05/2022 20:52

Your dd will soon see how unreliable your ex is. Just keep the door open and try not to pass judgment out loud.

Drysocketnooo · 16/07/2022 22:28

How’s your daughter @DeskInUse ?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 16/07/2022 23:09

Her self harming is a
major concern

what does she want
not what does she think people want to hear
but in her heart what would she like ?

selfish no
right to be concerned x

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