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Partner's mum controls DP and our relationship

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PinkStarAtNight · 25/03/2022 10:51

I have just had a big argument with my DP over the level of influence his DM has over him, and therefore over our relationship - mainly when we can see each other. The argument was also caused by me feeling that he doesn't care about spending time with me as much as I care about spending time with him and he also wants more space in the relationship than I do so for a while now I've been feeling hurt over this and I think this has contributed to the argument that has blown up.

We've been together 4 years, but don't live together yet. He lives at home with parents and brother. We alternate between him coming to stay at mine and me going to stay at his parents house. I get on well with his family most of the time and I'm included in Christmas, birthdays, Easter etc etc...

The plan was for me to go to his this weekend. We haven't seen each other for a week - he likes to have about a week between seeing each other because he needs 'personal space' whereas I would prefer to have more of an arrangement of him being at mine for the week and then me spending the weekend at his and then back to mine, sort of on a rolling basis with maybe a couple of days apart here and there. Everyone else I know who are the same age as us and been together 4 years have moved in together or are in the process of doing it. My DP has said we can't do this because he's studying an access to higher education course full time and needs to live at home so that he doesn't have to work, then he'll be at uni for three years. So I'm thinking that the only reason we don't live together is practicality, and it would make sense that we would both want to spend as much time together as possible. However he said he needs a lot of space and time to himself, so we don't do this and there usually is a week between seeing each other.

Anyway, earlier this week DPs brother tested positive for Covid. He is staying home from work and isolating. DP said to me a few days ago 'if DB is still positive at the end of this week you might not want to come over, its up to you.' I said it would probably be ok because its not like I'll be in close contact with him, I've had vaccinations and I'm very much of the opinion that we need to start getting back to normal now. Theres no longer any legal requirement to isolate if you have covid and the government have said they're basically treating it like flu now, and I think with most people being vaccinated unless you're vulnerable there's no need to get too worried about it - we can't keep testing and isolating forever.

DPs family have always been more anxious about Covid so I'm sure if I was positive they wouldn't want me there. But since in this situation its DPs brother who is positive and they've all been exposed to it anyway, I thought it made sense that it would be up to me to make my own decision about whether to take the risk and go visit him anyway.

Apparently not...yesterday DP said his DB was still positive and I probably shouldn't go. I said I would risk it because I really want to see him and I'm vaccinated, etc etc...he then said 'I don't think you should risk it' and was sort of trying to convince me not to, but as he had said a few days ago that it was my choice I was sticking to it. So he eventually said 'well my mum is freaking out about it' and sent me screenshots of messages between him and her on Facebook, where he had asked if I could go over at the weekend. She had replied 'noooo absolutely no way at all, your DB is still testing positive and even if he wasn't we would all have to isolate and wait to see if we have been infected, it would be stupid for PinkStar to come over and no you cannot go over to hers either!'
He had simply replied with 'ok.' and then preceeded to try and convince me to not risk it and come to the decision myself, probably hoping he wouldn't have to tell me that his mum had actually forbidden it so it wasn't actually my choice.

He is now saying that he agrees with his mum, even about him not coming to see me. I keep saying that surely that should be my choice and my risk to take and they are making the choice for me. I also said that it felt that he was using it as an excuse not to see me and that I have a real problem with how much influence his mum has over him and as a result of that our relationship. He listens to everything she says over what I say and if she says he can't or shouldn't do something, he doesn't.

What has shocked me most about this is her saying 'no you cannot go over to hers either.' We are 26 and I feel like she's treating us both like children and he's allowing it to happen, perhaps because he didn't want to see me anyway. He has said I'm completely overreacting and its perfectly reasonable to be cautious over covid but I can't help feeling really angry and hurt over it all. The argument was pretty big and we've almost broken up - i don't know whether I should give up on the whole thing and end it properly.

So, I suppose I'm asking whether I'm overreacting or not? I know people have different views about how we should treat covid going forward, but this is more about his mum and him making the decision for me when I'm actually happy to take the risk. I just feel that its being used as an excuse.

OP posts:
Blossom64265 · 26/03/2022 18:48

There are two aspects to dating. If you just want to date and have fun, then you just need someone that matches well to your personality. Not much else matters.

If you want someone to spend the rest of your life with, the things that are important are shared values, similar styles of money management, the ability to negotiate together well, and similar life goals. It also really helps if you have fun together and have sexual chemistry and have similar ideas about the best way to spend a Saturday afternoon.

sirensscreech · 26/03/2022 18:48

He's not grown up and you won't ever have an adult relationship with him.

7 years to not pass an access course!
Living at home with parents
Doing what mum tells him.

Stop wasting your time.

Quitelikeit · 27/03/2022 12:11

An access course is not hard!!!! Seven years? I’m feeling doubtful now

I don’t know what’s going on but it ain’t good!

Professor?! Hmmmmmm Confused

ISmellBurnings · 27/03/2022 14:22

You do realise your life is never going to move forward with him?

I’m wondering if he’s even that bothered from what you’ve said.

grapewines · 27/03/2022 14:27

@Justcallmebebes

He's not that into you. Move on before he does
Seems to me like he has.

Cut your losses, OP.

grapewines · 27/03/2022 14:28

@Cavagirl

What would you do, if you weren't afraid?
Always good to ask yourself this.
Riverlee · 27/03/2022 15:08

Aren’t access courses usually a year? Sorry, if he can’t cope with doing the access course (seven years?!), then he will never get a degree or become a history professor. His mother is enabling this perpetual student and he’s not moving on with his life.

If would have have been different if he decided, mid twenties to get better qualifications, to better himself and his career. However, he’s drifted for seven years. You could two degrees in that time.

I appreciate that he’s struggled with illness etc, but I think it’s time to cut your losses. Sorry.

Wishihadanalgorithm · 27/03/2022 15:30

OP, imagine you are 50. What will you have wanted to have achieved in your life by this point? Travel? Own your own home? Children?

Now think if you are going to achieve any of this with your BF.

You are in charge of your own life, your own happiness and your future. This man isn’t on the same page as you and I doubt he ever will be.

If you were my daughter, sister or friend I would be telling you to take stock of what you have got, value yourself more and set out on your own. It is scary to leave a comfortable relationship but it’s scarier to imagine a future where none of your dreams can come true.

Kite22 · 27/03/2022 18:47

He wants to be a history professor

Ha Ha Ha Ha. So he is a complete fantasist as well ?

He is intelligent

Yet it has taken him 7 years, straight out of school (so used to studying) to pass a 1 year access course? Well, I say 'pass' - it seems he is still doing it. Hmm

Don't hold on to this person out of desperation. Go out and live your life. Work on your own self confidence. Go and join a group doing something you enjoy doing - can be anything you like from a choir to a book group and sport to volunteering, music, evening class, art appreciation, car mechanics, rambling, dancing. Anything. Stop hiding away. Start living your life.

ISmellBurnings · 27/03/2022 21:12

Is he actually still doing the access course?

Why on earth would the university still be supporting this after seven years.

You do know he’s never going to go to university or anything beyond?

Sweetpeasaremadeofcheese · 27/03/2022 21:16

He's just not that into you. No-one else's fault. If he wanted to make you a priority, he would.

daisyjgrey · 27/03/2022 21:21

I've only read your updates OP but in a nutshell, your boyfriend sounds like a bit of a melt generally.

The uni thing is what's baffled me most tbh. If it's taken him 7 years to (not even) finish an access to HE course, he categorically does not, in any way shape or form has what it takes to be a prof. That's three years undergrad, 18 months at least at masters and 3-7 years at PhD before he's even got off the starting block.

I'm coming to the end of a PhD, believe me when I say that from what you've said, both he and you are on a hiding to nowhere.

Run, now.

Lunde · 27/03/2022 22:22

@PinkStarAtNight

He says that History (what he's studying) and being a history professor is the only thing he wants to do in life and the only thing that he's passionate about. But he has depression and anxiety apparently so he doesn't have the emotional energy to do the course, and spend a lot of time with me...hes just started counselling and he said that he discussed with the counsellor about how he needs a lot of space and it causes tension with us, and she apparently told him that space is essential in a relationship, so he's convinced that I just want too much and I'm the abnormal one wanting to be together all the time. He said I have abandonment issues and that's why I don't like him leaving to go back to his parents!
I'm sorry but he is never going to change - part of him probably likes living with no responsibilities and bills (at Mums) with regular sex available (you) while he gets his own way living as a 15 year old and playing at studying. I'm sure he and his mum are happy with the current arrangements or else they would change it.

I'm sorry to be rather brutal but he is not going to be a history professor - you must know that deep down. He has currently spent 7 years on an access course that is usually around 1 year full time or 2 years part time. Then he would have

  • 3 years bachelor degree
  • 2 years Master's degree
  • 3-6 years for a PhD ( PhD is the minimum requirement to be a professor)
So he is looking at a minimum of 8-10 years of study from the time he finishes the access course to even reach the minimum study requirements. Then you get into the whole issue of post-docs, research fellowships, lectureships etc etc

I think he is happy living in this childlike position but it doesn't sound as though he is really considering becoming independent, getting his own place and having a family. If any of these are important to you then I think you need to end this dead end relationship

Womencanlift · 27/03/2022 23:14

OP I remember your thread at Christmas about going to his but his mum didn’t want you there too early.

You were given a lot of advice, albeit it may have been hard for your to hear, on that thread and you are getting the same here. Unless YOU do something to change this situation you are going to be here in the exact same situation writing another thread in a couple of months

Something that popped out to me was you want to help him more with his anxiety and can’t understand why he wants time on his own. This makes me think you are not compatible if you cannot accept the fact that your partner needs to manage his own mental health in his own way. Also him wanting this time on his own is likely the reason he prefers to live at home rather than moving in together

OnaBegonia · 27/03/2022 23:34

In the 7 years of attempting to pass a 1 year course, has he ever worked?
Honestly, there's plenty better than him out there.
Get yourself new interests and hobbies, get out into the world.

ISmellBurnings · 28/03/2022 08:05

At the rate he’s studying, it’s going to take him a minimum of 56 years before he completes a PhD.

MzHz · 28/03/2022 08:31

Honestly, wtf are you doing in this relationship?

Dump him and find a real man.

Schoolchoicesucks · 28/03/2022 09:10

OP, what do you enjoy doing? When you're with your uni friends, or your DP. Meals out, concerts, sporting events, travel etc?

You have a job, you have friends, you're taking steps to work on your anxiety. You are the successful one in this relationship. He is holding you back.

You don't necessarily need to end things now, but think about what your life could be like if you did give him more of the "space" that he wants and if you filled the space that created in your life with other things.
If you don't know what things then try everything! If you want to lose weight, then join a sports team or running club. Some things won't work out but some might.

You like this guy, he's funny etc. Could you work as friends? Or FWB?
I think once you hit your stride, you'll realise that you don't need him as your safety net.

daisyjgrey · 28/03/2022 09:24

I've just read your other threads. You appear to ignore all advice anyway.

The entire family sounds like a nightmare, enjoy your apathetic hair shirt.

RiojaRose · 28/03/2022 11:00

After the PhD he’ll need to do at least one postdoc, possibly two. And publish at least one book. That’s before he’ll even get an interview for a post. Most ‘entry level’ jobs are short term and/or part time so he’ll need to start looking for his next job immediately. The pay is awful and the pension has just been slashed by 35%. I have a friend from university who is a history professor and it’s incredibly hard work. Failing to complete an access course (even if he has good reasons) doesn’t bode well.

You are both living different fantasies. Free yourself!

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 28/03/2022 11:15

You can't stay in a relationship because you're worried about whether you'd meet anyone else or not. You stay in a relationship because it makes your life better and you can't imagine life without that person. This relationship is making you miserable but you're clinging on in the hope that things will change. They won't. This is it. This is you life, is it the one you want? If not, end it and move on.

IfIfitsIsits · 28/03/2022 11:23

He sounds like a dead loss. You need to get more confidant, lose some weight if you're unhappy with your body, get more in tune with who you are.

If you're at home all of the time, why not start some good home based exercise? Joe Wicks? Get moving. The endorphins and the positive feeling you have when you get stronger is very empowering and brings a huge amount of new confidence it sounds like you're lacking right now.

Online dating is there for everyone when you're ready.

You deserve better than this. X

amusedbush · 28/03/2022 11:58

I'm about to go into the third year of my PhD and I can tell you right now, if he has been trying to complete an access course for seven years, he doesn't have a hope in hell of making it in academia. It's a brutal place, full of rejection and huge competition for jobs. He clearly doesn't have the self-discipline to do it.

As others have said, he's acting like a teenager and I have no idea how you can be attracted to that. It doesn't sound like much of a relationship and you are wasting your 20s by hanging on to it.

PinkStarAtNight · 30/03/2022 18:08

@daisyjgrey actually I have taken on board the advice from this thread. I've told him I don't think its working and we haven't spoken since last week. I keep wanting to call or text him or hoping he will contact me but I'm trying to stay strong and not contact him. I've looked into a local walking group and signed up for a social event on the Meetup app.

Thank you everyone for the advice. I expected to be told that I was the one in the wrong but the replies have made me realise how stupid I've been not to realise what's happening in the relationship and how he really feels. He has always convinced me that this is my problem- that we argue because of my issues, that I'm clingy because of my anxiety, that I'm too full on for him to deal with and thats why he needs space...and he has actually said to me before that no other man would be able to deal with me. I suppose its time to find out if he's right!

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Waterfordaston · 30/03/2022 18:19

Oh well done you!!!!!!Star