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DH and the friends issue

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Finallyreachedmylimit · 13/03/2022 09:36

DH has always been very sociable, me less so. After dc were born and we could no longer socialise together as much I made an effort to try to carve out some friends of my own as I only really had one person I met up with on a regular basis.

Trouble is DH is almost suffocating with my female friendships. He is all over them (not in a sexual way) every time, he declares they're "his friends too" and demands to be involved in everything. He gets very het up and agitated when he's not invited say to a women only lunch/dinner ranting about why he's not been included. He's screamed at me before about why I've "taken his friends away from him". When they come round he literally doesn't let me speak, because I won't raise my voice or interrupt I just can't get a word in so just sit there quietly watching him hold the floor. DDS best friends mum is lovely and I get on well with her but he just won't allow me the breathing space to develop that friendship as he feels she's also "his" friend. It's all got very petty and silly.

When friends come round they do comment on how animated he is and how he never stops talking. I feel I've retreated into a shell of myself and become very quiet and boring, I feel like I've nothing to say as it's exhausting. I am mentally exhausted from coping with him generally to be honest, just completing the essential tasks each day to just get through as everything feels too much. I hate myself for it as I used to be quite busy and productive.

His ranty overly talkative behaviour is a lot worse since the pandemic and WFH, his job is isolative and quiet. He has no intention of ever working in an office again so he's here all the time. I do go out to work and stay later than I need to. Just to get some space. He was far less agitated when he went to an office and spoke to people.
Don't know what I'm asking really, just wanted to get it out. It's getting too much, he's lost any semblance of self awareness so there's no point trying to talk to him about it.

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Dillydollydingdong · 13/03/2022 10:08

Very strange behaviour. I had friends round for the weekend once, Friday to Sunday. My dp said hello when they arrived then went off in his caravan for 3 days. That's normal behaviour. How can you relax and talk girlie stuff with all that going on?

Clymene · 13/03/2022 10:09

Does he recognise he's mentally unwell? Will he seek help? Or are you just supposed to pretend this isn't the case?

Keeping the peace is a disastrous tactic in the long term if you have children as I'm sure you're aware.

Finallyreachedmylimit · 13/03/2022 10:10

@NoSquirrels

You sound like you need to leave your marriage.

he's lost any semblance of self awareness so there's no point trying to talk to him about it.

If you genuinely believe there is “no point” talking to him about something you need to address because it’s making you miserable, then you shouldn’t stay in this relationship. Get out and co-parent from separate lives.

I agree, but I literally can't think straight, just getting washed and dressed seems like a huge effort, and I'm worried about DDS GCSEs. Don't want a huge upheaval to destabilise her, she's having a tough enough time with them already
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TheOccupier · 13/03/2022 10:10

It's most likely he's just a controlling self-centred arse but some of the behaviours you've mentioned sound quite... manic. Are you 100% sure he is mentally well?

I think you may need to start thinking about how you and the children can escape this situation. If you wanted to secretly plan your escape and then go without warning, there is a lot of good advice here from people who have managed that.

FurStories · 13/03/2022 10:12

I’m curious as to what’s making you stay OP. It really sounds like an impossible way of living.

FurStories · 13/03/2022 10:16

GCSEs? Well they’re short lived. You can get your ducks ready and plan for the day after! It’s worrying you have no energy to even think re. future. But you are writing here so you still have hope and spirit. Short term anti-depressants might help as a stop gap to get things moving for you.

Finallyreachedmylimit · 13/03/2022 10:17

What's making me stay? Financial issues, upsetting the DC, having very little support from my own wider family, knowing he'd be very very difficult.

I have friends who've left relationships who's partner has left for them to stay in the family home and agreed to maintenance. Their parents have helped them out. He refuses to leave. I've asked him to go, and cover the mortgage until kids are 18 then sell up splitting equity. He refuses.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/03/2022 10:18

How can you be helped here into leaving your abuser?.

He's given you spaghetti head and abusive men like doing that to their chosen target. Your children are in turn being profoundly affected already by what is going on around them in their home and your DDs forthcoming exams are no reason to stay with him either. Also exams can be retaken.

Finallyreachedmylimit · 13/03/2022 10:19

@FurStories

GCSEs? Well they’re short lived. You can get your ducks ready and plan for the day after! It’s worrying you have no energy to even think re. future. But you are writing here so you still have hope and spirit. Short term anti-depressants might help as a stop gap to get things moving for you.
I do have some mirtazepine from a previous visit to the GP years ago that I never actually took! However they're out of date now I should really take back to pharmacy for disposal.

I've had a few antidepressants before, I'm very very sensitive to the side effects so haven't been able to keep taking them.

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cordelia16 · 13/03/2022 10:22

I've suggested this but he refuses as it means it would interfere with his very rigid gym workout/training plan which he now fits his work around.

Is he taking any steroids as part of this exercise regimen? That could explain minor changes to his personality.

FurStories · 13/03/2022 10:27

I’m also very sensitive to ADs and have often had side effects. But, sometimes, short term, they may help, maybe worth a try. Financials can always be sorted. A difficult DH can obviously become a difficult ex. But you’re children are grown and his influence is limited, especially if all mediated through a solicitor (I would definitely be No Contact with someone like that). See a solicitor re. your rights. Also, perhaps WomensAid.

HeddaGarbled · 13/03/2022 10:28

What’s happening here is you are in an unhappy, verging on abusive, relationship.

Medicating yourself, deciding that there is something wrong with you, rather than with your situation, is not the answer, though it’s a really common result for women in your situation, which paves the way for the shitty husband and their family and friends to buy into the myth of your “mental health difficulties” rather than face the real truth, which is that your shitty husband is making you unhappy.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/03/2022 10:29

What's making me stay? Financial issues, upsetting the DC, having very little support from my own wider family, knowing he'd be very very difficult.

All of the above are still no real basis to remain with him. As for upsetting the DC well they are already very much unsettled by what's happening within their home; a home also that is not the sanctuary for them it should be. They likely know far more than either of you give them credit for. Your own family's lack of support is likely also ongoing and has played its role here in you and he being together in the first place; a continuation of what you perhaps already know. He being difficult; well that is par for the course for abusive men. He wants absolute power and control over you all after all.

"I have friends who've left relationships who's partner has left for them to stay in the family home and agreed to maintenance. Their parents have helped them out. He refuses to leave. I've asked him to go, and cover the mortgage until kids are 18 then sell up splitting equity. He refuses"

Have you as yet sought legal advice, if not make this a priority. You need legal advice here. Again this is straight out of Abusers 101 here; they always but always refuse to leave under any circumstances. He likes having you around to abuse and if you left he would then have to find another sap woman to take your place. He is not above the law here as he will discover. If you divorce do so asap and certainly not when the kids reach 18. Waiting for the children to go off to uni and then divorcing may make the kids feel guilty that their parents sacrificed their own happiness for them. We owe our children much more than the physicality of an intact family. We owe them our truth.

And if mediation is at all suggested shut it down. No point whatsoever in doing mediation with an abuser.

Finallyreachedmylimit · 13/03/2022 10:29

No steroids as he's extremely health conscious, that's another issue all food has to be super healthy. Meals I used to make he no longer likes as they're not healthy enough... I'm a pretty good cook and make everything from scratch but turns out that's not good enough now. That's another rant about the terrible food habits of all around us and how he can't understand why everyone isn't super healthy...

I have started buying and eating white sliced loaf as a quiet rebellion.

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FurStories · 13/03/2022 10:30

Eg. I took some ADs, low dose a couple of months ago. Felt some positive effects within a few days. Unfortunately, side effects kicked in 2 months later and I stopped. But they did help for a while and I feel better overall know.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/03/2022 10:32

The root cause of your depressive state is more likely than not your H and taking anti depressants won't address that.

Your kids and you are living in a regime akin to a dictatorship. Please do not keep on subjecting your own self and in turn your kids to such a regimen because it will also affect them as adults in their own relationships. What do you want to teach them about relationships and what are they learning here?.

FurStories · 13/03/2022 10:32

We owe our children much more than the physicality of an intact family. We owe them our truth

^ yes, this.

Finallyreachedmylimit · 13/03/2022 10:36

It sounds stupid I know but we also have pets and the thought of leaving them breaks my heart. One cat is v old and I wouldn't want to take him away from his home. The animals really are what's keeping me going right now. I know my kids happiness is more important than the animals obviously! I have been looking at houses on Rightmove that I could afford and seeing off they'd be ok for cats. I would miss them so so much. ☹️

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FurStories · 13/03/2022 10:38

Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting ADs as a solution. However, when people are really ground down it can affect their mood, and if ADs can help there, it may be helpful. I am ridiculously sensitive to ADs and avoid them but this time I found they worked, at least short-term, gave me a bit of a breathing space and some energy. Only suggestions. It’s not for everyone. But OP is free to choose if it’s something that interests her.

RandomMess · 13/03/2022 10:38

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There is nothing to stop you starting divorce proceedings now. You don't have to live apart to do that. Start living separately and just shopping and cooking for you and DC.

Clymene · 13/03/2022 10:38

He is controlling your friends, your social life and your food. You're hiding at work to avoid him. Your children are learning to tiptoe round men's emotions. It's a terrible lesson for young women to learn.

Finallyreachedmylimit · 13/03/2022 10:39

@AttilaTheMeerkat

The root cause of your depressive state is more likely than not your H and taking anti depressants won't address that.

Your kids and you are living in a regime akin to a dictatorship. Please do not keep on subjecting your own self and in turn your kids to such a regimen because it will also affect them as adults in their own relationships. What do you want to teach them about relationships and what are they learning here?.

It's funny as boundaries round the DC are one of the things we've always had issues with. He lets DD wear stuff I'd say no to, he's always been shit at getting them in bed in a timely fashion let's them stay up way later than I would, let's them watch stuff on Netflix that I don't think it's age appropriate. Then will suddenly turn and be really strict about some random issue.
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Clymene · 13/03/2022 10:39

He needs to go, not you.

FurStories · 13/03/2022 10:41

Re. cats. A temporary re-homing? Ask on Facebook? But above all I think you need a) legal advice b) any support you can get as he sounds very difficult c) just find anywhere to live, 6 month contract, whilst you consider longer term options … One bite at a time.

Finallyreachedmylimit · 13/03/2022 10:43

I agree. But he won't and even if he did covering the mortgage and bills is not doable to my salary.

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