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CRAZY story from MIL what do I do *(Content warning: concerns historic rape)

112 replies

StressedTbh · 11/03/2022 03:08

HELP
Ok, I'm 22 been with SO for 5 years, (he's 23) we are 2 kids deep. MIL told me 4 years ago on a drunk night she had another child before him, a daughter, she was raped, gave birth to the baby, gave it away to the person who raped her..minutes after giving birth. SO knows she was raped but doesn't know about his mother having another child before him and handing it over, also she was paying money monthly, and the rapist dad was sending photos in return, the daughter is 27 now I think, SO has no clue..neither does the daughter..MIL brings up this daughter everytime she has a drink when SO is not there of course..says she regrets it which I understand. But a lot of the time SO will bring up the fact that he was a only child and wishes he had siblings (MIL brushes it off), we will also sit together and watch long lost family (awkward) and she will say I'm the daughter she "never had". I've tried to get her to tell him but she doesn't want to and says even when she dies she doesn't want him to know. I wish she never told me and now I feel bad and tempted a lot of the time to tell him but I won't because I know it will cause an erupt situation. When she told me originally she made me swear to never tell him but I feel so bad keeping this from him and if it was me and my mum had told him that I know he'd tell me!...well I hope. Just needed to get this off my chest because it haunts me every day. What would you guys do?!!!! Advice please.

OP posts:
StressedTbh · 11/03/2022 16:36

@dfendyr

1992 / 1993 ? Then she would be 29 /30 not 27 If mil was 20, and had your partner at 25 (1997/1998) , then either your partner is not 23, or someone cannot do maths
My partner was born October 1998 he's 23, I said 27 I think, she could be 28? I'm not sure when her birthday is. I just know MIL had her at 20!
OP posts:
AlternativePerspective · 11/03/2022 16:39

But regardless OP, it is literally not possible that the baby was handed to the father never to be seen again without someone else being involved. It 100% isn’t possible. your MIL would have had visits from her MW, from the HV.She would have had to explain the absence of a baby. So it is very clear that whatever she’s told you isn’t entirely true.

StressedTbh · 11/03/2022 16:43

Just wanted some advice on what to do, THANK YOU for the people who gave that. The rest of you saying you don't believe it can fuck off. I'm not gonna keep explaining over and over all the of the insane details, just wanted advice. You people are crazy

OP posts:
StressedTbh · 11/03/2022 16:48

@AlternativePerspective

But regardless OP, it is literally not possible that the baby was handed to the father never to be seen again without someone else being involved. It 100% isn’t possible. your MIL would have had visits from her MW, from the HV.She would have had to explain the absence of a baby. So it is very clear that whatever she’s told you isn’t entirely true.
You may be right, she may not have told me every true detail but what I know is that she 100% had another child and she gave it away to her rapist and SO doesn't know! She may have lied about other details but how would I know, all I know is the proof that I've seen
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TheYearOfSmallThings · 11/03/2022 16:56

all I know is the proof that I've seen

Have you seen a birth certificate naming her alleged rapist as the father? Because that is the only way she could hand him over as you describe.

AlternativePerspective · 11/03/2022 17:05

So you’ve seen the birth certificate? Because that’s the only thing that proves this woman is MIL’s daughter and the man she claims raped her is her father.

Pictures on facebook really aren’t proof.

And nobody is trying to say that you’re lying OP. But MIL very clearly is lying to you, and she is pitting you against your partner by making you promise to keep a secret which is very likely a pack of lies. You deserve better than to be treated like this.

If your partner really does have a sibling then he has a right to know. If he finds out that you knew, and it’s entirely possible he could find out if his mother told him and then told him she’d told you years ago, it will likely destroy any relationship you have, and could destroy your family.

You owe it to your partner to tell him what you’ve been told. he should be your priority.

As a matter of interest, has your MIL ever tried to come between you before?

stuntbubbles · 11/03/2022 17:29

@StressedTbh

Just wanted some advice on what to do, THANK YOU for the people who gave that. The rest of you saying you don't believe it can fuck off. I'm not gonna keep explaining over and over all the of the insane details, just wanted advice. You people are crazy
I would stop talking to her when she’s drinking: just disengage from the conversations about her rape and her daughter. Leave the room, don’t drink with her, don’t be alone with her. Explain why.

You can’t betray her confidence but nor should you be in a position of keeping knowledge of your partner’s sibling from him. Take yourself out of the equation by not allowing MIL to keep discussing it with you.

BOOTS52 · 11/03/2022 18:03

I would personally say nothing to your partner even though you wish you were never told this story as it can open up a whole can of worms. She probably opened up to you as she feels close to you and I know you wish she didn't but see it from her side as she has a lot of trauma from it and tell her one day when just the two of you or write her a letter and give her information on therapists who deal with ptsd as she has suffered a lot of trauma that has haunted her. Stop watching those kind of shows also. She is hurting a lot so I would feel empathy towards her and would respect her wishes. I understand why she could not keep the child after she was raped but do not understand keeping in touch and getting photos.

UniversalAunt · 12/03/2022 07:39

@StressedTbh No matter the absolute factual accuracy of some aspects of MiL’s story, she is deeply hurt still & carries the trauma of her upbringing - you made brief mention - then rape & forced adoption.

Apologies in advance for the essay…

Roughly, MiL is late 40s & now has the joy of being a grandmother to your two DC, yet that proximity to a young mum having her first child may have brought forth comparison to her own first born at a similar age to you. Maybe a form of reactive depression or past PTSD that a GP &/or psychologist may recognise & provide sustainable support to help see her through resolving this. Not just meds, if at all, but specific counselling/therapy.

You don’t mention her drinking patterns other than she has booze in the house & gets drunk with you - just with you to release or with others ordinarily? It is an aspect of alcohol misuse or problem drinking that is is a release or cover for depression & trauma.

In a way I can see what her comment about you being the ‘daughter she never had’ being more that you are the ‘young woman she could not be.’

Your SO - bless him, but he needs to knock the only child / no siblings whinnying on the head. For anyone vaguely understanding of most women’s lives, we all know that miscarriage is frequent & although relatively rare so is stillbirth. Not every conception leads to a live birth.
Your MiL brushing this off does not help either your SO or her. She is not going to give him the talk about women in general he needs, so this may fall to you to speak to him firmly but kindly about the experience of womenkind. There is often a reason why only children remain so, & discretion is the name of the game. He needs to have this made clear for everyday use.

However, that said, why does he persist with this lament? Because most only children can accept their situation with simple gentle knock back or explanation. Does he sense that she has a secret or is this his way of dealing with her emotional distance. From what you mentioned, she did had a very difficult time as a child, is there some form of emotional distance between her & SO that is a legacy of that neglect & abuse? Is it her way to brush things off, a way of dealing with difficult feelings or subjects? Her release seems to be watching the ‘reunion’’ programmes & overwhelming you with her burden when drunk? I wonder if your SO has a lurking hunch that based on what he knows of his mother’s upbringing, the ‘reunion’ programmes & ‘daughter I never had’ that something or someone happened before he was born?

The situation is complex & sad.
Not of your making or responsibility.
This is already too much for you .
MiL needs professional assessment & help.

MiL needs to decide to seek help from GP but making that first step to talk to someone may be far too difficult for her to do… on her own.

Is it possible for you to carve out a task with firm beginning to end boundaries to get MiL in to see her GP (or the GP in the surgery who specialises in MH)? You may need to be by her side as she rings to make the appt, possibly sit in waiting room with her & at a push go into the appointment to give her moral support.

It may seem contrary for me to suggest putting your head in the lions mouth after saying that this is not your problem to resolve, but the situation is not going to improve left alone. My proposal is that you are an agent of change to get MiL to people who are trained, experienced & can help her - they go home at the end of the day.

Now that is a huge reach, & many a daughter might not do that for their own mum. You will be entirely reasonable to immediately knock this idea on the head.

What are the benefits of you being in the room with the GP?
It sounds like MiL may have clinical depression (& it is for the GP to discover & determine the diagnosis) brought on by birth of first grandchild - that’s where you are relevant . It’s important to state to the GP that she leans on you for support but you cannot manage this - you are early 20s with two very small children, she’s not your mum - & the trauma of her life experiences are too much for you to support. It is really important for GP to know so that there is a need for professional support.

Is there a problem drinking issue as well - GP will likely ask more if she (or at a push you) mention that her grief & sorrow floods out when she has had a drink.

Make clear to the GP that you now have to step back as this is now affecting you, your relationship & your family.

As the consultation is barely eight or so minutes, not a huge amount can be discussed, so likely MiL will have another appointment to discuss more & go into the relevant detail. Your task is now completed, you have got her to the gateway for professional help, so time for you to step back.

Now this is a very large step to take for you to be that involved. It really is. But I have put it up for something for you to think about. Fingers crossed MiL would not need that much support from you & she can make & get to a GP appointment under her own steam.

Of course there is the real & likely possibility that she refutes the need to see the GP, says that there are no problems etc. You will have planted the seeds about seeking help & support, that is enough. The situation will continue & you really do need to step back to look after yourself.

UniversalAunt · 12/03/2022 07:57

BTW, MiL tells her story when drunk & distressed, so her relay of accurate fact may not be spot on.

Are babies removed from mum in hospital ? AFAIK yes, if social services are involved.
Are said babies removed & adopted ? AFAIK yes & the original birth certificate is sealed & the formal adoption process provides a new registration for public record. IDK about informal family arrangements.

Motnight · 12/03/2022 08:10

Your MIL has put you in a terrible position, if what she says is true.

Tell your partner.

Phlewf · 12/03/2022 08:12

OP I’m sorry you’re getting a hard time, I would reiterate to MIL that these things do get out and it’s better “to control the narrative” as awful as that may be. I think it’s a fair point that if her son finds out after she has died (‘maybe 50 years from now) he won’t get answers to questions and may change his feelings to his mum and sour her memories.

To all the amateur detectives, have any of you seen the film Precious? It’s American but gives a pretty good idea about a chaotic lifestyle that babies are brought into and don’t live with the people they are suppose to. I can assure you that as recently as 10 years ago there were children being registered at school who were thr grandchildren or nieces and nephews of the people they thought were there parents. No official arrangements, no social workers, just families not being perfect.
I understand the comment she handed the baby to her rapist seconds after they were born to mean shortly after birth - an emotional and often lengthy process that blurs time. And he probably visited her in hospital when she felt so vulnerable (to maintain allusions of decency?) and that Image is seared in her brain. I think a woman talking, drunk, about her trauma would be using dramatic language!

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