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Please help me make sense of his behaviour

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nomorealexa · 16/02/2022 23:00

Partner of over a year. We don't live together. He did something shitty and let me down. I considered finishing it but thought I'd see how things would play out.
Firstly, he didn't bother to contact me for six hours after the event.we're normally in very regular contact throughout the day so that was unusual.
He then wasn't apologetic.
I told him not to bother contacting me, such was his behaviour.
He apologised profusely via messenger the next day weirdly and said he got why I felt let down. He took responsibility via messenger but no call.
I felt really upset and lashed out verbally via message. Told him to leave me be.
The days went on. He didn't contact me. I mellowed. I suggested we meet so we could say whatever needed to be said. I was still undecided about staying in the relationship as I was so hurt.
I expected he would want that in an effort to express his apology and maybe promise that it would never happen again.
He simply replied the next day( we normally respond to one another straight away and he had read message straight away) that he was confused as I said I originally didn't want contact.
He didn't agree or accept invitation to meet. I really thought he would want to sort this and express some remorse in person He simply said ...I thought you didn't want contact and now you want to meet me..???.'
He is right in what he said but that was days ago. As I said, I've calmed down.
What is he up to here ?

OP posts:
Watchkeys · 17/02/2022 09:29

@nomorealexa

I'm not a game player but I expected him to show some remorse and try to make amends despite my petulance and impulsiveness to ask him to leave me Alone. It was a knee jerk reaction to ambiguity.
You're not a deliberate game player.

Accept that people won't always meet your expectations, and that people who cause you to post on forums looking for explanations of their behavior are people to walk away from.

An explanation of why he behaved the way he did is an attempt to understand, which is an attempt to forgive. You don't need to forgive him; you need to walk away from the drama.

nomorealexa · 17/02/2022 09:31

@Watchkeys that makes sense.
It was out of character for him so I guess I was trying to make sense of it and see if there was any way back.

OP posts:
Watchkeys · 17/02/2022 09:33

He's badly hurt your feelings, turned that hurt back on you, and made no attempt, over a period of time, to help you feel better.

Why do you want a way back? What behaviour would you expect from him in the future if you were hurting, given that you have this example? Is that the relationship you want?

FumingFredericka · 17/02/2022 09:35

Op he apologised profusely but only by messenger and you rejected that apology and you told him to leave you alone when you obviously didn't mean it.
Now you are pissed off that he doesn't want to meet and apologise in person.

There is a sort of power play going on between you, because you have both had your pride hurt.

You don't like it that he is not sufficiently apologetic and you are upset that he has taken your instructions to leave you alone too literally. And he is now punishing you for not accepting his apology the first time around by being deliberately obtuse about meeting up.

Op I don't know what happened between you originally, but are you sure this relationship is worth all this drama? Should it be this hard when you have only been going out for 12 months?

If you do want to continue seeing him then you need to back off completely and stop contacting him. Show him you're not that bothered. All of this messaging is weakening your case! If he wants to be with you, he is going to have to put some effort in. It's a risk though as he may call your bluff.

Watchkeys · 17/02/2022 09:42

If you do want to continue seeing him then you need to back off completely and stop contacting him. Show him you're not that bothered. All of this messaging is weakening your case

Further game playing. If you want to be with someone, tell them, or just be with them. If you feel that any manipulations are needed, that's game playing, unhealthy, and either the game playing or the relationship needs to be left behind.

You don't tell someone you want to be with them by dropping contact.

nomorealexa · 17/02/2022 09:46

I know that. It was a stupid knee jerk reaction.

OP posts:
Gilda152 · 17/02/2022 09:47

His behaviour is a direct result of your handling of this situation. That's it explained.

So look inward and learn.

Thewookiemustgo · 17/02/2022 09:49

“Partner of over a year. We don't live together. He did something shitty and let me down. I considered finishing it but thought I'd see how things would play out.
Firstly, he didn't bother to contact me for six hours after the event.we'remally in very regular contact throughout the day so that was unusual.
He then wasn't apologetic.”

So you are not happy that he didn’t apologise?

“I told him not to bother contacting me, such was his behaviour.
He apologised profusely via messenger the next day weirdly and said he got why I felt let down. He took responsibility via messenger but no call.”

So he then apologised profusely and did what you wanted but now you’re annoyed he did it on messenger with no call?

“I felt really upset and lashed out verbally via message. Told him to leave me be.”

So you’re extremely upset and he gets a bashing with clear instructions not to contact you.

“The days went on. He didn't contact me.”

He wouldn’t, OP. He got a telling off followed by a clear request to leave you alone.

“I mellowed. I suggested we meet so we could say whatever needed to be said. I was still undecided about staying in the relationship as I was so hurt.
I expected he would want that in an effort to express his apology and maybe promise that it would never happen again.”

He had already expressed his apology ‘profusely’ as you described it.

“He simply replied the next day( we normally respond to one another straight away and he had read message straight away) that he was confused as I said I originally didn't want contact.”

Of course he’s confused! You wanted an apology, he did so, he apologised profusely. He then got a telling off followed by a ‘leave me alone’, so he let you have your space and left you alone.

“He didn't agree or accept invitation to meet. I really thought he would want to sort this and express some remorse in person He simply said ...I thought you didn't want contact and now you want to meet me..???.'”

Again, he hasn’t got a clue what you want. He’s doing everything you asked and it was somehow wrong or not enough.

“He is right in what he said but that was days ago. As I said, I've calmed down.
What is he up to here ?”

So if what you said was ‘days ago’ he’s supposed to know that the passing of time changes what you said as well? He’s supposed to know that you’ve ‘calmed down’ when you haven’t communicated that to him?
OP re-read your post and look how much of your reactions and thought processes were exactly that, thought processes in your head which unless he’s a mind-reader he can’t know.

I remember your last thread and he didn’t exactly cover himself in glory, but the problem with what happened in this post is a total disconnect with what you are thinking/ feeling and what is actually communicated. Of someone told me they were pissed off with me and to leave them alone I’d do it. Of someone needed an apology from me and I was on the wrong I’d do it. If I’d done it profusely and they ‘lashed out’ at me I’d leave them to it, to be honest. Think objectively about how your communication reads to the person receiving it. Whilst you write the message you are full of emotions and expectations and needs that don’t come across in messages, these things stay in our heads and hearts. We then expect people to get what we’ve written at the emotional level we were at, at the time of writing. ‘Please leave me alone’ actually meant ‘I’m really, really pissed off with you” You thought he’d get that nuance and want to put it right. He took it at face value and in trying to let you calm down as requested had no idea that this would piss you off further. Communication is where this is going wrong, from both of you.

FumingFredericka · 17/02/2022 09:51

Further game playing. If you want to be with someone, tell them, or just be with them. If you feel that any manipulations are needed, that's game playing, unhealthy, and either the game playing or the relationship needs to be left behind.

You don't tell someone you want to be with them by dropping contact.

Of course it's further game playing. Men generally respond to being pursued by running in the other direction. The op has already "mellowed" and suggested they meet in a straightforward manner as you suggest above. He took ages to respond and then said he was confused. And he made no efforts to meet her half way. So we are way beyond straightforward "just tell him how you feel".

Is she now supposed to prostrate herself and beg?

The only response to this is to back off completely and live your own life. If he doesn't come back of his own accord then so be it. If he does, then op gets to decide whether she really wants to continue her relationship with him or not.

DropYourSword · 17/02/2022 09:52

If you do want to continue seeing him then you need to back off completely and stop contacting him. Show him you're not that bothered. All of this messaging is weakening your case! If he wants to be with you, he is going to have to put some effort in. It's a risk though as he may call your bluff.

Jesus! We're supposed to be adults giving adult advice here. This is pathetic high school bullshit!

OP - you need to decide what you want here. Do you actually want to work through this issue or is the relationship done for you.
If you want to try and repair things you contact him like an adult saying that you're really sorry everything has escalated as it has and that you really want to try and fix things. You ask if you can't meet up. You don't demand an apology.

If you're not interested in taking things further then let him know that too. In a kind and non flouncy way.

All of this game playing is childish and unnecessary. What ever happened to just communicating with each other!

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 17/02/2022 09:52

Gordon Bennet

You're both at fault and incompatible it would seem

Set your bar higher, stop the game playing and move on

StrongSunglasses · 17/02/2022 09:55

I think just draw a kind under this whole situation and move on.

Even if he gives you what you say you want, it won’t be closure; it won’t be enough.

You want him to fully appreciate what he did and moreover want him to want you enough to grovel and try to win you back, however it doesn’t sound like he will do this.

It doesn’t sound like you’re looking for closure, more giving him a path to win you back that you’re annoyed/hurt he’s not immediately power-strutting down.

If you become more and more desperate for this to happen, you’ll end up trying to convince him and start apologising/grovelling to him to come and suddenly you’ll then be in a very weak position and tbh in danger of acting like a Gollum; I’d keep quiet now and see if he comes to you. Don’t message again.

It just sounds unhealthy all round and I think you should just accept that it sounds like a bit of a toxic situation (I haven’t read any info about the guesthouse saga so may be missing v.important context!)

DoItAfraid · 17/02/2022 09:58

@Thewookiemustgo

“Partner of over a year. We don't live together. He did something shitty and let me down. I considered finishing it but thought I'd see how things would play out. Firstly, he didn't bother to contact me for six hours after the event.we'remally in very regular contact throughout the day so that was unusual. He then wasn't apologetic.”

So you are not happy that he didn’t apologise?

“I told him not to bother contacting me, such was his behaviour.
He apologised profusely via messenger the next day weirdly and said he got why I felt let down. He took responsibility via messenger but no call.”

So he then apologised profusely and did what you wanted but now you’re annoyed he did it on messenger with no call?

“I felt really upset and lashed out verbally via message. Told him to leave me be.”

So you’re extremely upset and he gets a bashing with clear instructions not to contact you.

“The days went on. He didn't contact me.”

He wouldn’t, OP. He got a telling off followed by a clear request to leave you alone.

“I mellowed. I suggested we meet so we could say whatever needed to be said. I was still undecided about staying in the relationship as I was so hurt.
I expected he would want that in an effort to express his apology and maybe promise that it would never happen again.”

He had already expressed his apology ‘profusely’ as you described it.

“He simply replied the next day( we normally respond to one another straight away and he had read message straight away) that he was confused as I said I originally didn't want contact.”

Of course he’s confused! You wanted an apology, he did so, he apologised profusely. He then got a telling off followed by a ‘leave me alone’, so he let you have your space and left you alone.

“He didn't agree or accept invitation to meet. I really thought he would want to sort this and express some remorse in person He simply said ...I thought you didn't want contact and now you want to meet me..???.'”

Again, he hasn’t got a clue what you want. He’s doing everything you asked and it was somehow wrong or not enough.

“He is right in what he said but that was days ago. As I said, I've calmed down.
What is he up to here ?”

So if what you said was ‘days ago’ he’s supposed to know that the passing of time changes what you said as well? He’s supposed to know that you’ve ‘calmed down’ when you haven’t communicated that to him?
OP re-read your post and look how much of your reactions and thought processes were exactly that, thought processes in your head which unless he’s a mind-reader he can’t know.

I remember your last thread and he didn’t exactly cover himself in glory, but the problem with what happened in this post is a total disconnect with what you are thinking/ feeling and what is actually communicated. Of someone told me they were pissed off with me and to leave them alone I’d do it. Of someone needed an apology from me and I was on the wrong I’d do it. If I’d done it profusely and they ‘lashed out’ at me I’d leave them to it, to be honest. Think objectively about how your communication reads to the person receiving it. Whilst you write the message you are full of emotions and expectations and needs that don’t come across in messages, these things stay in our heads and hearts. We then expect people to get what we’ve written at the emotional level we were at, at the time of writing. ‘Please leave me alone’ actually meant ‘I’m really, really pissed off with you” You thought he’d get that nuance and want to put it right. He took it at face value and in trying to let you calm down as requested had no idea that this would piss you off further. Communication is where this is going wrong, from both of you.

Agree with this completely.
FumingFredericka · 17/02/2022 10:02

Jesus! We're supposed to be adults giving adult advice here. This is pathetic high school bullshit!

In your opinion Dropyoursword

The op has already tried contacting him and explaining. She didn't feel his apology was adequate initially. Then she realised her mistake and tried to put it right. He has rejected her appeal.

There is absolutely no point, imho, if I am allowed to express it by the thread police, in contacting him further. He will either come to her or he won't.

StrongSunglasses · 17/02/2022 10:03

Btw I find it confusing that some people are saying that not contacting is playing games, and “just be with him”.

It takes two to tango and this guy is not wanting to meet up to pursue this conversation with op.

Not contacting is leaving it in the hand of the gods and retaining dignity.

So if it’s a game and that’s the prize, then I’d rather play that than release an inner desperado for someone not interested who leaves her at hotels.

StrongSunglasses · 17/02/2022 10:04

@FumingFredericka cross post I agree

Watchkeys · 17/02/2022 10:05

@FumingFredericka

Men generally respond to being pursued by running in the other direction

The right man won't, so if a man does, he defines himself as the wrong man. Games won't win him back, and it's not healthy to be interested in a relationship in which your advances are met with 'running in the other direction'.

We are not here to cater for men's foibles. We are here to have a nice time. Anybody running from your advances isn't interested in whether you're having a nice time. So yes, pull away, but in order to reject them, not to win them back.

DropYourSword · 17/02/2022 10:06

In your opinion Dropyoursword

Uh, yeah @FumingFredericka - of course that's my opinion. That's the point of Mumsnet. To share opinions. Did that entirely escape you?!

Watchkeys · 17/02/2022 10:07

@StrongSunglasses

Not contacting is leaving it in the hand of the gods and retaining dignity

Only if it's with the intention of rejecting him in the event of him coming back. There's no dignity in playing a silent, hopeful version of the 'pick me!' game.

Drawerofcrap · 17/02/2022 10:07

Would someone link to the original thread please 🙏🏻, thanks.

Rainbowqueeen · 17/02/2022 10:13

I think he’s realised that this is the end of the road for your relationship and wants to move on. Let him. Accept that you will only get closure from within, not from him

LIZS · 17/02/2022 10:19

You can only control your own behaviour not his reaction to it.

FumingFredericka · 17/02/2022 10:19

@DropYourSword

In your opinion Dropyoursword

Uh, yeah @FumingFredericka - of course that's my opinion. That's the point of Mumsnet. To share opinions. Did that entirely escape you?!

No it hasn't escaped my notice thank you Dropyoursword.

I just don't feel the need to call another person's advice "pathetic bullshit" when expressing my opinion. Or follow it up with another sarcastic, rude post.

Chloemol · 17/02/2022 10:24

You asked him to leave you alone, he did

But he is supposed to be a mind reader and know that’s not what you want?

I think you both need to move on

DropYourSword · 17/02/2022 10:25

I just don't feel the need to call another person's advice "pathetic bullshit" when expressing my opinion. Or follow it up with another sarcastic, rude post.

And you were the one complaining about thread police!