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Stupid mistake or serious issue?

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CreatingHavoc · 20/01/2022 09:24

Last night I caught dp wanking to porn in the kitchen in the dark while I was doing the bedtime routine with our 5yo upstairs. I can't quite believe he would do something so utterly stupid while dd was awake. It was just lucky that I went downstairs to get something before she did.

Dp is thoroughly ashamed of himself (he can't even look me in the eye) and says it'll never happen again. I can't decide if it's just a stupid mistake and he didn't engage his stupid dick brain or if it's something potentially relationship ending. The fact that he put dd at risk of seeing porn and him wanking makes me feel sick. Wwyd?

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CreatingHavoc · 21/01/2022 10:10

@Fireflygal he's 45. He is not all gross. He works very hard to provide for us and has never let us down in that sense, though he does have a well off family to back him up. He will always help out round the house and I have a chronic illness that sometimes makes me feel crap so he is very helpful and caring when I'm ill. He doesn't really look after himself very well though. He doesn't exercise and eats badly so has gained weight, which is a turn off. We were meant to start doing exercise together but it's not happened yet because of all the covid etc. I was hoping if we made some improvements to our physical wellbeing then maybe the relationship would be better.

However, this incident has made me rethink everything. I don't think I can ever see myself being intimate with him again. He says he respects me but talks to me like I'm a sex object. He wanks in the kitchen and touches me inappropriately in front of the dc. He once also stopped me from leaving the bedroom during a row. He would let me go and see the dc who were upset and scared because he was shouting. He calls me awful things when we argue and threatens all sorts. I have come close to leaving so many times and honestly the only reason I haven't yet is because I'm scared of him and scared of being alone.

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CreatingHavoc · 21/01/2022 10:12

Typo wouldnt*

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MoiraNotRuby · 21/01/2022 10:16

Creating Havoc, I know it is a scary and overwhelming prospect, but there is support and you will be More Than OK on the other side of separation. You know what you need to do, and I promise it is worth it.

Santahasjoinedww · 21/01/2022 10:26

Urgh go home to your family op. He sounds like a hormonal teenager.

TellMeItsPossible · 21/01/2022 10:33

Trust me, you will be better without him. He sounds awful and scary - you deserve better.

CreatingHavoc · 21/01/2022 10:33

Thank you @MoiraNotRuby it is scary. I honestly don't know where to start. I only work a pt job with not many hours. I don't even know if our estate agent would let me stay on with him gone. He's the breadwinner unfortunately.

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TellMeItsPossible · 21/01/2022 10:35

I was earning a pittance when I left my abusive exh, and we were OK. You can do it. For now just do some research and look into your options. You don't need to make a hasty decision.

B0J0ker · 21/01/2022 10:40

Reading this reminds me of when I was married.... the objectifying, inappropriate touching/comments, not looking after himself etc., trapping you in a room during an argument.

Ex-h was a porn addict (among other secrets) and it took too long to realise he'd 'normalised' inappropriate behaviour so much that I thought all relationships were like ours.

Once the blinkers came off and I really SAW what was wrong there was no turning back.

Your DH will probably have made you feel other, unacceptable behaviour towards you is 'normal' too.

The freedom my divorce has given me has been priceless, and realising it wasn't me that was wrong has saved my sanity.

I honestly think that if you are doubting the relationship so much it is all but over. Of course he won't want it to be, you're well-trained to accept his behaviour. If he's single and has to start again, a new woman will most likely call him out far sooner!

It's him OP, not you. You don't have to put up with this, it won't get any better and it will grind you down to a shadow of yourself.

Best of luck with going forwards.

TheGrinchsDog · 21/01/2022 11:05

[quote CreatingHavoc]@Fireflygal he's 45. He is not all gross. He works very hard to provide for us and has never let us down in that sense, though he does have a well off family to back him up. He will always help out round the house and I have a chronic illness that sometimes makes me feel crap so he is very helpful and caring when I'm ill. He doesn't really look after himself very well though. He doesn't exercise and eats badly so has gained weight, which is a turn off. We were meant to start doing exercise together but it's not happened yet because of all the covid etc. I was hoping if we made some improvements to our physical wellbeing then maybe the relationship would be better.

However, this incident has made me rethink everything. I don't think I can ever see myself being intimate with him again. He says he respects me but talks to me like I'm a sex object. He wanks in the kitchen and touches me inappropriately in front of the dc. He once also stopped me from leaving the bedroom during a row. He would let me go and see the dc who were upset and scared because he was shouting. He calls me awful things when we argue and threatens all sorts. I have come close to leaving so many times and honestly the only reason I haven't yet is because I'm scared of him and scared of being alone.[/quote]
The problem with abusers OP is that often they do have a nice side to them, good points, even wonderful qualities. These may be real or put on, it varies, but essentially what this does is make it harder for victims to see how bad the abuse actually is.

It clouds the issue. If he were an out and out awful person all round on top of what you have posted about you would be in no doubt at all over any of it. Because he is kind and loving and good at times it almost dilutes the bad stuff in your mind, the royal you that is.

The further information:
That he uses his physical size and being to block you from leaving a room.

That he refuses to let you comfort the DC who are really distressed.

That their distress was caused by him shouting so loudly and aggressively.

That he verbally abuses you and threatens you.

These are all really really bad things. Does he threaten you physically?

Being alone is a scary thought but please take my word for it that part of the fear is because you are so ground down by him. Once you get away from this horribly emotionally, sexually and possibly physically abusive man you will find that life is a lot more pleasant, easier and far less scary alone that it ever was living under the same roof as him.

It's also highly likely that at some point in the future you might meet someone else when you are ready but that is for future you and not for present time you.

It's time to take action if not for yourself, for your children. Don't let them grow up watching their mother abused in front of them and learn that this is how relationships are and that your daughter should put up with this from her future partner because it's normalised.

Please seek help from Women's aid.

Tamworth123 · 21/01/2022 11:11

There is something wrong with a man who'd masturbate in a shaged, unlocked room with kids awake in the house (and they can always wake up and come downstairs etc) anyway.

The rest of your description is of an abuser.

As pp said they do have nice/good sides, even while being abusers.

You need to see how much you'd get in divorce settlement, benefits etc.

Him having Amwell off family may mean he stops working (or through the books anyway) so he doesn't have to pay child maintenance.... depends how malicious he could get.

Tamworth123 · 21/01/2022 11:12

*shared

Tamworth123 · 21/01/2022 11:14

I only work a pt job with not many hours

Then you might get universal credit, and 85% of childcare paid.

Citizens advice are good.

Tamworth123 · 21/01/2022 11:17

touches me inappropriately in front of the dc.

Some ppl consider the above (and masturbating & using porn in shared, unlocked, family rooms risks the same thing) a type of child abuse/child sex abuse.

Tamworth123 · 21/01/2022 11:18

He once also stopped me from leaving the bedroom during a row. He would let me go and see the dc who were upset and scared because he was shouting.

Also a type of child abuse.

Tamworth123 · 21/01/2022 11:23

talks to me like I'm a sex object.

He calls me awful things when we argue and threatens all sorts.

He sounds like he has v little respect for women, and is pretty porn sick.

The name calling and threats sound v abusive too.

I was in a relationship with a verbal abuser (also controlling and huffy/verging on coercive about sex, would also masturbate indiscretely in ear shot if denied sex) and the name calling, insults put downs build up on you, until you don't want to be with them any more; and that's entirely onnthem.

Tamworth123 · 21/01/2022 11:24

(Ie entirely their responsibility)

MoiraNotRuby · 21/01/2022 12:12

A few tips from me -

The divorce/separation board is a great part of MN, even if you just lurk, its so helpful.

I ran a parallel life in my head for a while. This time last year in every shit situation I imagined how would life be if we were not together. I almost created 'memories' to give myself evidence of what could be. This gave me a little respite and a little strength.

You have friends and family willing you to be free, even if you don't realise it. Since going public about separation, all sorts of people have supported me, some were already close friends, some I barely knew, but there are a lot of wonderful women who will quietly carry you when you need it.

Ask yourself, if your life fast forwarded 10 years, where would you like it to be? What would you wish you had done 10 years ago? This is the start, what first step can you take to help your future self?

Good luck. You can do this.

CreatingHavoc · 21/01/2022 14:46

Thank you. I keep doubting myself but I know I need to do this. It has been too long. I wish I could just up and leave today with the dc but I can't. We were meant to go for a meal out tomorrow as dc are staying with family for the night. I don't know what to do now. I feel like I want to move quickly but should probably move slowly. Maybe even pretend everything is fine to him until I get things straight and make a plan.

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MrsBaublesDylan · 21/01/2022 16:08

I would start working ion an exit plan. Don't try and talk to him because he is who he is and won't change.

You need to start with housing and finances. Don't worry about he emotional side just yet, put all your energy into the practicalities.

There is an element of exhibitionism to your husband's perversion, similar to a flasher.

Being caught wanking by you or your dd excited him. He did it in the kitchen because the risk of being caught turned him on.

You need to get out and keep your dd safe from him. I would log his behaviour with SS.

The NSPCC have got some very good info on their website about what constitutes sexual abuse. Your dh groping you with children around is also abusive.

Lady089 · 21/01/2022 16:13

That is gross. If you want to have a wank, then wank but not in part of the house that he could easily be seen. Could he really not wait until she was in bed and went to the bathroom and had a private wank there Confused This would be a huge issue for me.

MrsBaublesDylan · 21/01/2022 16:16

I grew up very aware of my Dad's sexual desires - watching porn, wanting sex with my Mum but not getting it etc.

Both me and one of my siblings ending up seeing something horrific which I won't go into but it's not impossible for your dc to end up traumatised by her Dad's behaviour in a similar way.

My parents were both very ordinary, overweight, middle aged, middle class people.

Sadly my Mum was an even worse person than my Dad so there was no one to save me, but you can save your dc.

Santahasjoinedww · 21/01/2022 16:16

Being that desperate for a wank is bordering on needing therapy ground surely?
Hell those needing a caffeine fix aren't running for the kitchen that quick..

primarium · 21/01/2022 16:25

I actually agree with MMmomDD

IrishMama2015 · 21/01/2022 16:41

My dad was a lovely normal man. Yet our relationship is forever tainted by me walking in on him during the daytime in the sitting room doing the business to himself watching porn on tv. Many times at night when we were upstairs in bed as teenagers and we would be watching tv in our rooms and the sky channel would would change to porn suddenly and it was being operated by my dad downstairs alone while my mom worked. I've never ever told anyone, he doesn't even know I saw him. I ran out and was horrified and terrified of what I had seen and of him. It made me feel sick and unsafe and frightened. This would be the end of my marriage for me

CreatingHavoc · 21/01/2022 17:06

That's awful @MrsBaublesDylan and @IrishMama2015 so sad that you've had your relationships with your parents tainted in that way.

I will figure out an exit plan, hopefully with the help of my mum and my friends. I can't risk my dc growing up being traumatised by his behaviour.

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