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Mum has turned into uncivilised mess

80 replies

MonetC81 · 26/12/2021 06:55

Sorry it’s a long one.
Backstory - My Parents divorced when I was 9 (we moved from family home my dad stayed put)
Long-standing bitter arguments between mum and dad - hated each other.
I moved out when getting with (now) DH in 2001 - moved across county (like you do when you’re 20 and have no worries ha!)
By this point my Mum on max dosage of Antidepressants. But was holding together a good job, company car, well paid etc. she had friends, occasional boyfriend etc. No-obvious issues.
Completely out of the blue (to me) she then Attempted suicide in about 2004- left a lovely suicide note saying how she blames me for leaving home and causing her depression, etc etc anyway- she made a long slow recovery, and my grandparents looked after her when I went back home (I had full time job, DH, etc, they were both retired) this was the end of her paid career, and she took early retirement and started doing volunteer work.
Grandparent (her dad) died in 2007
She gave up work everything to care for grandmother (her mum) full time, which was (imo) unnessasary as she was fully capable and had no illnesses or conditions, apart from grieving her just lost husband.
Grandmother (her mum) died in 2014.
Mums House fell into disrepair shortly after, depression took massive hold, didn’t garden, clean, didn’t look after herself. She had just given up. Cue a lot of health problems and vast weight gain- so much can’t get up the stairs without having to sit at the top to avoid a coronary.
She muddled through refusing help until Covid - I suggested she stay with us in lockdown (thought it would be a couple of weeks!) Throughout 18 long awful months, her behaviour included Lying, zero personal hygiene (I had to force her into shower and make her wash herself) urinating in the garden because she was too unfit and unhealthy to use bathroom upstairs, pretending to shower (wetting hair in sink and professing she had been in shower) never cleaned her room/changed sheets, washed her clothes, lived in absolute filth, did bare minimum around my house, and got to the point where she barely speaks to us (she has nothing to say, so she says, not because of conflict) She just sits in a corner reading or knitting. The smell is unreal. She won’t wash, or clean her teeth, and is slightly incontinent, she smokes 40 a day and is entirely inconsiderate that me, DH or DC don’t smoke and hate the smell. If she “makes a mess” in the bathroom, she leaves it for me to clean, and generally creates far more work for me. Leaves soiled underwear in washing pile, and everyone else has to deal with.

In my stupidity I suggested she sell her house and Moved nearer us. This happened 18 months after she lived with us, as my marriage was on the brink of divorce because of her. I can’t bear her in the house because of the smell, and her general ungratefullness and attitude to life. I have had MANY awkward conversations about her personal hygiene, which she ignores. She thinks we’re all being over sensitive. Christmas Day was a disaster as DH refused to be in the same room as he because of her smell (and I’d had a long convo with her beforehand about washing clean clothes etc before coming over) she did make some effort, but not enough to make much difference.

I’m at my wits end. I can’t stand her as a person, as she is disgusting, but of course love her as she’s my mum. But it’s causing massive issues. She has zero other family or friends, and I have no clue who to contact for help! I don’t know what to do for the best.
Thank you if you’ve read this far :( x

OP posts:
GoodnightGrandma · 26/12/2021 06:59

Firstly, you go to her house. Don’t invite her to yours if she can’t be clean.
Secondly, is she still on antidepressants or have any mental health team help at all ?

user1471462428 · 26/12/2021 07:00

Sorry to be hard hearted but she needs to go into a care home and you need to prioritise the people who actually love you. Enough

FiveShelties · 26/12/2021 07:01

Could you speak to her GP or social services?

ChubbyMorticia · 26/12/2021 07:01

I’m not in the UK, but if there’s a social worker who deals with the vulnerable elderly, you need to give them a call. You’ve tried to help, and she refused. Time to call in a social network that has access to resources you don’t.

HollowTalk · 26/12/2021 07:08

That sounds horrendous. So is she still at your house? Does she ever go to her own place? Personally I'd go to hers now and put the heating on, stock up her fridge today and take her back. I'd tell adult social services to make an assessment. Don't lose your marriage over this.

zafferana · 26/12/2021 07:09

How old is your DM OP?
Is she still on antidepressants?
When was the last time she saw or spoke to her doctor?
Is her doctor aware of her current situation re: not washing herself, her clothes, not caring, lying, etc?
It's hard to unpick what is going on, but it sounds like your DM has some serious MH problems and, as such, her GP should be your first port of call. I'd ask for an urgent call-back, if it were me, as it sounds like she needs to be assessed and may also need to be referred to adult social services.

GoodnightGrandma · 26/12/2021 07:11

How old is your DM ?
Is she menopause age or older ?

BurnedToast · 26/12/2021 07:14

Blimey OP! What a nightmare.

You need firm boundaries..
I think you need to stop her coming to your home. Visits to her house only and tell her that's the consequence of her actions.

Then be very firm about how much help you give her and no more than that. You could try the mental health team, but I'd be surprised if they would do much. Does she rent or own? A move into a warden assisted home would be a good idea. I feel for you, I have a similar but different situation . My father is an alcoholic. Stinks and wears filthy clothes , causes stress and arguments as he's so aggressive.

I don't let him in my house and only visit him a few times a year. I've told him whh. Do I feel bad? Yes. It's hard. There's so much of other people's expectations of what the adult child and parent relationship should be, but you have to put that aside. She's your mum in title, but not in the way she behaves.

MonetC81 · 26/12/2021 07:24

@GoodnightGrandma

Firstly, you go to her house. Don’t invite her to yours if she can’t be clean. Secondly, is she still on antidepressants or have any mental health team help at all ?
Yup still on ADs I’ve tried and tried to get her to go back to the GP for a review etc but she says she’s been and she’s fine (she’s lying, just to keep me quiet) x
OP posts:
GoodnightGrandma · 26/12/2021 07:25

You could always ring the GP as her carer. They won’t discuss her, but you can log your concerns with the practice.

MonetC81 · 26/12/2021 07:25

Thank you. I think I will, I’m having to make up my own lie today to get out of her coming around so I can kee the family happy!

OP posts:
MonetC81 · 26/12/2021 07:26

@GoodnightGrandma

How old is your DM ? Is she menopause age or older ?
She’s nearly 70, finished HRT at 55.x
OP posts:
MonetC81 · 26/12/2021 07:28

Thank you. I’m glad someone gets how hard it is! Yes, I think I’ll stop her coming over, and go to hers. Kids won’t go near her though because of the smell and lack of “grandma” which I don’t blame them for.

OP posts:
GoodnightGrandma · 26/12/2021 07:29

I know it’s difficult.
My DF is forgetting things but won’t let me help, and he still has capacity so I can’t override him.
You can ring Social Services and ask for an assessment. They were very good at forcing carers onto my MIL who was refusing them initially , and even forced her into a care home by the legal route. It was all for her own good.

Juniper68 · 26/12/2021 07:30

@MonetC81

Thank you. I think I will, I’m having to make up my own lie today to get out of her coming around so I can kee the family happy!
Phew! I'm so glad you're listening to people on here. Really feel for you.
RedHot22 · 26/12/2021 07:32

Firstly, from this moment on you need to prioritise yourself and your family.

Next, get help for your Mum. Phone her GP or alternatively speak to your GP. This is directly affecting you so your GP should be able to help you and advise you what to do and where to go for help.

Finally, remember what you need to to first!

Michellebops · 26/12/2021 08:16

Adult social services are your best option, they will have an out of hours service if you don't want to wait until Wednesday.
This must be so tough on you all but hopefully they'll help and you don't need to shoulder the full responsibility on your own ♥️

Oblomov21 · 26/12/2021 08:44

You can ring her GP and log your concerns. You can also gently insist she rings her GP with you there. You need to be much more proactive.

De88 · 26/12/2021 08:52

Ditto all above. Once that's done, leave her be. She unlikely to change now and trying to force her to do anything is going to make at least one of you extremely unhappy. You have my total sympathy, this must be really difficult for you.

She is an adult with many years experience of making her own choices. If she understands that the consequences of her total self neglect are seeing less of you and her grandchildren, then this is a choice that she has made.

WaltzingBetty · 26/12/2021 08:57

Definitely adult social services

Toomanypeople · 26/12/2021 08:59

We had similar issues with a relative. Had to get social services involved. Relative now has a cleaner and care assistant who helps them wash even if not a proper shower. If she isn't using incontinence products which could help her clothes smell less then a nurse could help with assessment and getting suitable pads etc

SweetBabyCheeses99 · 26/12/2021 09:01

I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news but I don’t think that Social Services will be able to help. It would be nice if they could be there for people who don’t look after their own health and well-being but adult social care is soooo over stretched as it is that I just don’t think there’s the capacity to go round and encourage people to wash and clean, eat healthy, quit smoking etc.

Fallible · 26/12/2021 09:02

GP and adult social services definitely.

TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 26/12/2021 09:02

Ultimately if she has capacity then there will be nothing SS can do to help her. Sadly I see many people (community nurse practitioner) who choose to live in terrible conditions despite there being help for them.

How does she feel about living the way she does?

GoodnightGrandma · 26/12/2021 09:02

They can put carers in place, and are very helpful when a person is in denial at their situation.