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is my partner unreasonable about this or is it me?

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inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 14:31

I know Christmas can be difficult for family relationships. Here's mine. For reasons I won't go into, my partner doesn't enjoy spending time around my teenage daughter. It's a long story but I have tried to mediate but nothing has worked. Both are stubborn. I've decided that the best I can do is listen and be supportive but stop trying to fix things, and let them sort it out, if they ever do. My partner however feels like I should be doing more but I won't go into that here.

My adult son's birthday is on Boxing Day. This Christmas, my partner's son is coming over on Christmas Day. My son and daughter are staying at their dad's and then coming over on Boxing Day. Because my partner didn't want to be around with my daughter at the same time he said he planned to go away on Boxing Day for four days - to give me time with my children. I would prefer he didn't as I would love him to be here for Christmas - but I accept he and my daughter don't get along, so I planned to try to make the best of it and enjoy being with my kids - I was really looking forward to it. I told my son he is welcome to stay for three nights until my partner gets back - this was something my partner actually encouraged and agreed on. My daughter and son are then going to their dad's so me and my partner get a few days to ourselves.

Now my partner has told me his plans have changed, he isn't going away and that he will be here, and that he would prefer if my son doesn't stay over at all. He says he's welcome to come over every day if he wants to, just not stay overnight. He says the reason for this is because he wants to stay out of the way in his office. (That's where the spare bed would be set up).

I told him I understand his point of view but don't feel comfortable uninviting my son - I wouldn't do that to anyone, as it's a pretty sh*tty thing to do. You don't uninvite people just because your plans have changed - even your own children. But I was prepared to understand his point of view - so I suggested as a compromise that my son just stay for one night, on his birthday. And that I clear out my office and he can stay in there. I was trying to be helpful and see how we could make it work, thinking that my son can have a drink and doesn't have to drive all the way over town to his dad's where he would be staying for his birthday at least.

I thought I was suggesting a good compromise - but my partner said "Fine, do what you want," and then strode out of the room in a huff. He didn't say No, but made it clear he wasn't happy at all.

We've since had a huge argument - where he brought up all the past times my daughter has upset him. He brings up the past a lot, even though each time something happens, we discuss things, apologies are made if necessary and I think they're resolved. I've tried to explain to him that bringing up past transgressions in current arguments isn't helpful and actually quite hurtful.

He then made it a big deal that I wouldn't just take his side and tell my son that he can't stay over, why couldn't I just say "fine, whatever you want". I threw that one back at him and asked him the same thing. I explained that I was the one doing all the compromising - but for him, it's his way or no way at all.

I can't argue with this man - well, I try but he really doesn't remember things very well, and then he accuses me of trying to make it all about my feelings. He then says I don't listen. He's accused me of this before - so I've taken that on board, and I listen and try to be empathetic and put myself in his shoes. But actually what I think is happening is my partner is confusing listening with agreeing. He feels that me not agreeing with him is me not listening.,

I've recently done a lot of work on personal boundaries because in the past mine have been awful - so this was the first time I really stood up for myself. I'm ashamed to say, the old me would have just gone along with my partner (I was in an abusive relationship before). I know I would feel sh*t telling my son - oh by the way, you can't stay now, because my partner will be here. I think my partner would feel crap if I did the same to him. So, on one level that feels good that I did that. However I now have to deal with this man who's got the hump (a lot).

It's actually pointless to argue with him anymore. I had a long discussion with him today about whether he actually wants to mend the relationship with my daughter - it sounds like he doesn't, he keeps dragging up the past. Of course my daughter has to do her part as well - but as a teen, I know emotional maturity isn't always a strong point. I expect us to be the adults and to show her what good adult behaviour looks like.

Anyway I'm rambling now. Don't know what to do now - if my son comes it will be awkward and I don't want him to feel put out. I also don't want my partner to feel ostracised in his own home.

For the record, my partner and I have a good relationship most of the time - just not when issues around families and my daughter come up. Not trying to minimise it - just trying to say he's not a monster - I wouldn't be with him if he were.

Just venting and wondering as per my question - have I got this wrong, am I being unreasonable or is he?

Thanks

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sadpapercourtesan · 13/12/2021 14:35

Your partner is behaving appallingly. No, you shouldn't uninvite your son, nor should you cave into spoilt brat behaviour, sulking and endlessly dredging up past grievances to appease a manipulative manchild.

He can stay or go as he pleases, but I would be telling him that my plans with my children go ahead as agreed. And we'd be having some pretty serious discussions about the future in the New Year, because nobody should have to live with this sort of nonsense.

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 14:40

@sadpapercourtesan

Your partner is behaving appallingly. No, you shouldn't uninvite your son, nor should you cave into spoilt brat behaviour, sulking and endlessly dredging up past grievances to appease a manipulative manchild.

He can stay or go as he pleases, but I would be telling him that my plans with my children go ahead as agreed. And we'd be having some pretty serious discussions about the future in the New Year, because nobody should have to live with this sort of nonsense.

Thank you for that breath of fresh air, no-nonsense advice. Yes, I have been rethinking this whole relationship - as has he. He was away this past weekend and I actually felt relaxed and happy. That's awful isn't it - but I know it's telling me something (or rather shouting it).

My issue is - we're both struggling a bit financially, and neither of us can afford to live separately at the mo as we have a rental lease until August. I can't afford to take it on on my own...

It's my own fault. I got myself into this mess.

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Hopefullywaiting01234 · 13/12/2021 14:40

Your and not being unreasonable your partner is being outrageous tbh! Would he just uninvite his son if you asked him too?

If I was going to my mums to spend a few days and she then uninvited me as her partner didn’t want me staying I would be extremely hurt and would think she was putting him before me. Also he is not going to mend any bridges with your daughter if that’s the way he’s treating her brother

PositiveLife · 13/12/2021 14:41

The only way in which you are being unreasonable is in putting your dp's wants above your children. Tell him it's up to him if he's there or not but you have invited your children to your home and you won't be changing those plans.

Hopefullywaiting01234 · 13/12/2021 14:41

You are

Arabelladrinkstea · 13/12/2021 14:42

Monsters show themselves in various ways - I’d say a man that deliberately tries to separate someone from their children via emotional abuse is a monster and you are just blind to it - sorry but I think you’re still in an abusive relationship Flowers

sadpapercourtesan · 13/12/2021 14:44

It's not all your own fault at all, so many people are trapped by financial circumstances at the moment. The pandemic has been utterly disastrous for families financially, especially for those who were already struggling. It's nobody's fault, it's just crap Flowers

If splitting isn't an immediate option, then you need cast-iron boundaries and grey rock technique, so that you can live your life and not have him constantly bringing you down. You don't owe him an argument every time he decides he wants one - can you cultivate the art of cutting him dead with "I'm not doing this now" and walking away?

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 14:44

@Hopefullywaiting01234

Your and not being unreasonable your partner is being outrageous tbh! Would he just uninvite his son if you asked him too?

If I was going to my mums to spend a few days and she then uninvited me as her partner didn’t want me staying I would be extremely hurt and would think she was putting him before me. Also he is not going to mend any bridges with your daughter if that’s the way he’s treating her brother

Exactly! That's what I think. Last year I got quite ill and had to have an operation between Christmas and New Year so we had to cancel our Christmas plans with his son and my kids as I couldn't risk getting Covid and having my op cancelled. Thankfully I was okay but it was awful. My partner keeps bringing that up though as cancelling plans with his son without even questioning it, doing it for me. I keep explaining that was different... but.. deaf ears. He doesn't get it.
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HollowTalk · 13/12/2021 14:47

I only had to read a few lines to know this was going to be a LTB situation. Put your children first. Always.

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 14:50

@sadpapercourtesan

It's not all your own fault at all, so many people are trapped by financial circumstances at the moment. The pandemic has been utterly disastrous for families financially, especially for those who were already struggling. It's nobody's fault, it's just crap Flowers

If splitting isn't an immediate option, then you need cast-iron boundaries and grey rock technique, so that you can live your life and not have him constantly bringing you down. You don't owe him an argument every time he decides he wants one - can you cultivate the art of cutting him dead with "I'm not doing this now" and walking away?

Thank you for being so understanding. Your reply has made me blub a little bit. Yes, I think grey rock is the way to go. This morning during our argument, when he brought up a past incident (for the umpteenth time) - I stopped him dead and asked "when you brought that up last time, what did I say?" He was actually gobstruck - he couldn't remember what I'd said, that I'd apologised and explained (even though last time was about the fifth time we'd talked about it). So.I told him - it's actually pointless talking about this. I'm done with explaining, defending, complying ... especially when even all that effort doesn't make him happy.

I am pleased with myself for standing up for myself though. In the past I would have just gone along with it to keep the peace. I know many people might think that's pathetic - but it's a habit that can be hard to break... until you do.Smile

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BoundariesAlready · 13/12/2021 14:50

I think you know you need to get out of this relationship. He might not be abusive in the way your ex was, but he's covered in red flags.

BoundariesAlready · 13/12/2021 14:52

I stopped him dead and asked "when you brought that up last time, what did I say?" He was actually gobstruck - he couldn't remember what I'd said, that I'd apologised and explained (even though last time was about the fifth time we'd talked about it)

If he hasn't got a diagnosed memory disorder then I'm afraid he's taking you for a ride. Flowers

DysmalRadius · 13/12/2021 14:54

I can't believe that you would limit your time with your children to appease your partner! He sounds like a controlling dick and you are absolutely doing the right thing in standing up to him!!

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 14:55

@BoundariesAlready

I stopped him dead and asked "when you brought that up last time, what did I say?" He was actually gobstruck - he couldn't remember what I'd said, that I'd apologised and explained (even though last time was about the fifth time we'd talked about it)

If he hasn't got a diagnosed memory disorder then I'm afraid he's taking you for a ride. Flowers

I think he actually just likes complaining. He's stuck in the past of how many people have hurt him without taking accountability. I've suggested that's something he needs outside help for as, I can be understanding and supportive, but I'm not a counsellor (and won't take him blaming me for everything to boot).
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BoundariesAlready · 13/12/2021 14:55

Does this ring a bell?

The Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 14:57

@DysmalRadius

I can't believe that you would limit your time with your children to appease your partner! He sounds like a controlling dick and you are absolutely doing the right thing in standing up to him!!
I know - I was warned that when I started strengthening my personal boundaries, the people who were benefitting from me not having any would start complaining. Smile
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AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/12/2021 14:58

inthemiddlemum

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. Did you see abuse yourself as a child?.

Re your comment:-

"For reasons I won't go into, my partner doesn't enjoy spending time around my teenage daughter".

You don't have to explain anything. He clearly does not like her because she is another man's child and one also that answers him back. He being a man who hates women, all of them does not like this and sees her as a threat.

"It's a long story but I have tried to mediate but nothing has worked. Both are stubborn. I've decided that the best I can do is listen and be supportive but stop trying to fix things, and let them sort it out, if they ever do".

Abusers are not nasty all the time; if they were no-one would want to be with them. What you're describing also here is the nice/nasty cycle of abuse and that is a continuous one.

You've basically gone from one abusive relationship into yet another one and that is not an uncommon scenario either. Your boundaries, skewed already by previous abuse, are being further eroded by this individual now who targeted you deliberately to further abuse. You still need a lot more work re boundaries; the Freedom Programme would be good for you in that respect.

Mediation is not effective when it comes to abusive men and you are also not a rehab centre nor should act as one to some badly raised man.

Why would you describe your child as stubborn?. This will not be sorted out until you decide to put your own self and kids first rather than this man. Who is more important to you ultimately; this man or your kids and your future relationship with them. You run the very real risk of completely alienating yourself from them going forward because you to them are still kowtowing to him and or otherwise putting him first.

Do not also let some rental lease stop you from ultimately separating yourself from your abuser. No obstacle to leaving is insurmountable here. You and this man should absolutely not be together at all.

RelapsedChocoholic · 13/12/2021 14:58

It is unfortunate his plans have changed, but that doesn’t automatically mean everyone else’s have to.

Personally I wouldn’t engage in any more discussions about it- the household’s plans are set; he can either join in or make others
(And he’s lucky you’re willing for him to join you all tbh!)

(Btw- it sounds like you're doing great work on your boundaries, keep it up 👍)

SmallBoyFury · 13/12/2021 15:01

Why are you prioritising this man over your children?

You’re going to destroy your relationship with them. You, not him, because you are the one who is allowing them to be treated like nuisances in their own mother’s house.

What ages are the children?

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 15:06

@BoundariesAlready

Does this ring a bell?

The Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

That hits the nail on the head!
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blissfulllife · 13/12/2021 15:08

My ex husbands wife was like this with our dc. He's now desperately trying to rebuild a relationship with his grown up children and they've lost all respect for him. She'd actively avoid them if they visited. Ignore them. Cause ridiculous arguments if perceived slights by them that she'd made up in her head. Yes the one dc had been rude to her once and that gave her the fuel for her fire to stop talking to them all. Total manipulation and nastiness. Some warped jealousy at him having a relationship with his children.

Time to put your foot down

DivorcedAndDelighted · 13/12/2021 15:08

Oh crikey. Well done for standing up for yourself and strengthening your boundaries. I also have adult sons, divorced from their father, but have n not yet introduced a new partner. Please, please don't uninvite your son for any of the period you'd initially invited him. That is the sort of thing that can really trigger a breakdown in the parent - child relationships. I know several people who have become estranged from their children / parents over similar events. Please don't let this happen to your family.

LividLaVidaLoca · 13/12/2021 15:11

You are in a second abusive relationship.

Please stop putting this man before your actual children.

BoundariesAlready · 13/12/2021 15:13

I suspect the reason your daughter doesn't particularly like him is that she's got the measure of him.

Justmuddlingalong · 13/12/2021 15:13

Fuck that for a crock of shit.

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