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is my partner unreasonable about this or is it me?

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inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 14:31

I know Christmas can be difficult for family relationships. Here's mine. For reasons I won't go into, my partner doesn't enjoy spending time around my teenage daughter. It's a long story but I have tried to mediate but nothing has worked. Both are stubborn. I've decided that the best I can do is listen and be supportive but stop trying to fix things, and let them sort it out, if they ever do. My partner however feels like I should be doing more but I won't go into that here.

My adult son's birthday is on Boxing Day. This Christmas, my partner's son is coming over on Christmas Day. My son and daughter are staying at their dad's and then coming over on Boxing Day. Because my partner didn't want to be around with my daughter at the same time he said he planned to go away on Boxing Day for four days - to give me time with my children. I would prefer he didn't as I would love him to be here for Christmas - but I accept he and my daughter don't get along, so I planned to try to make the best of it and enjoy being with my kids - I was really looking forward to it. I told my son he is welcome to stay for three nights until my partner gets back - this was something my partner actually encouraged and agreed on. My daughter and son are then going to their dad's so me and my partner get a few days to ourselves.

Now my partner has told me his plans have changed, he isn't going away and that he will be here, and that he would prefer if my son doesn't stay over at all. He says he's welcome to come over every day if he wants to, just not stay overnight. He says the reason for this is because he wants to stay out of the way in his office. (That's where the spare bed would be set up).

I told him I understand his point of view but don't feel comfortable uninviting my son - I wouldn't do that to anyone, as it's a pretty sh*tty thing to do. You don't uninvite people just because your plans have changed - even your own children. But I was prepared to understand his point of view - so I suggested as a compromise that my son just stay for one night, on his birthday. And that I clear out my office and he can stay in there. I was trying to be helpful and see how we could make it work, thinking that my son can have a drink and doesn't have to drive all the way over town to his dad's where he would be staying for his birthday at least.

I thought I was suggesting a good compromise - but my partner said "Fine, do what you want," and then strode out of the room in a huff. He didn't say No, but made it clear he wasn't happy at all.

We've since had a huge argument - where he brought up all the past times my daughter has upset him. He brings up the past a lot, even though each time something happens, we discuss things, apologies are made if necessary and I think they're resolved. I've tried to explain to him that bringing up past transgressions in current arguments isn't helpful and actually quite hurtful.

He then made it a big deal that I wouldn't just take his side and tell my son that he can't stay over, why couldn't I just say "fine, whatever you want". I threw that one back at him and asked him the same thing. I explained that I was the one doing all the compromising - but for him, it's his way or no way at all.

I can't argue with this man - well, I try but he really doesn't remember things very well, and then he accuses me of trying to make it all about my feelings. He then says I don't listen. He's accused me of this before - so I've taken that on board, and I listen and try to be empathetic and put myself in his shoes. But actually what I think is happening is my partner is confusing listening with agreeing. He feels that me not agreeing with him is me not listening.,

I've recently done a lot of work on personal boundaries because in the past mine have been awful - so this was the first time I really stood up for myself. I'm ashamed to say, the old me would have just gone along with my partner (I was in an abusive relationship before). I know I would feel sh*t telling my son - oh by the way, you can't stay now, because my partner will be here. I think my partner would feel crap if I did the same to him. So, on one level that feels good that I did that. However I now have to deal with this man who's got the hump (a lot).

It's actually pointless to argue with him anymore. I had a long discussion with him today about whether he actually wants to mend the relationship with my daughter - it sounds like he doesn't, he keeps dragging up the past. Of course my daughter has to do her part as well - but as a teen, I know emotional maturity isn't always a strong point. I expect us to be the adults and to show her what good adult behaviour looks like.

Anyway I'm rambling now. Don't know what to do now - if my son comes it will be awkward and I don't want him to feel put out. I also don't want my partner to feel ostracised in his own home.

For the record, my partner and I have a good relationship most of the time - just not when issues around families and my daughter come up. Not trying to minimise it - just trying to say he's not a monster - I wouldn't be with him if he were.

Just venting and wondering as per my question - have I got this wrong, am I being unreasonable or is he?

Thanks

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ThackeryBinks · 13/12/2021 15:15

I've got 2 beautiful teenage DD's and they have been hard work. My DP has had some rough moments including him being hit by one of them. He still manages to care for them like they are his own. Teenagers are going through huge brain changes and can be challenging. Your job as an adult in their lives is to help them. To move on your DP has to forgive and forget. He needs to work out how to move the relationship onto a better footing. As he is the adult here.

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 15:15

@BoundariesAlready

I suspect the reason your daughter doesn't particularly like him is that she's got the measure of him.
yes, you're right - she has really strong boundaries!
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inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 15:17

@Justmuddlingalong

Fuck that for a crock of shit.
Love it - I will repeat this to myself for the rest of the day! Smile
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Mermaidwaves · 13/12/2021 15:21

Men come and go, your children are forever!

No dont compromise with him and invite your son for just one night, stick to the original plan. He presumably knew you had children when he entered a relationship with you? Tough then!

I really hate people who try and come between their partners and their previous children, I think its cruel and wicked. This will impact on your children picking this twat over them. OP you sound nice but please don't give into this. Surely where your home is will always be your children's home too.

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 15:24

@ThackeryBinks

I've got 2 beautiful teenage DD's and they have been hard work. My DP has had some rough moments including him being hit by one of them. He still manages to care for them like they are his own. Teenagers are going through huge brain changes and can be challenging. Your job as an adult in their lives is to help them. To move on your DP has to forgive and forget. He needs to work out how to move the relationship onto a better footing. As he is the adult here.
oh so well said! I keep saying that to him. I asked him: Do you want things to improve in this house? He said - yes. So I suggested what I thought would be the best way... . I suggested we start from scratch, forget the past, don't keep bringing it up - move on. We're adults and we shouldn't be so fragile that a teen's sass can literally ruin our day. I'm firm but fair with my kids, maybe on the softer side, but they both know right from wrong. That doesn't mean they're perfect. But you're right - their brains aren't yet developed enough to figure things out in a mature way that adults can and should (that's why they're still kids). My partner grew up with a violent dad who turned his mum against him... and kicked him out when he was 16. He was homeless for a while. So a dysfunctional family - he takes things very personally and is always so hurt by what he perceives is rejection. I'm not making excuses - I would love him to get therapy, but he won't. So all I can do is protect myself and my children and keep strong about what I will and will not accept. If I had the resources I would be gone tomorrow. I wish he could forgive and forget but he holds on to past grievances. I keep telling him - we can't change the past. It's kind of pointless at this stage.
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Theremoresefulday · 13/12/2021 15:26

Yeah. Fuck that. Fitch him and Greg rock in the meantime

Theremoresefulday · 13/12/2021 15:26

Ditch and grey lol sorry!

inthemiddlemum · 13/12/2021 15:26

@Mermaidwaves

Men come and go, your children are forever!

No dont compromise with him and invite your son for just one night, stick to the original plan. He presumably knew you had children when he entered a relationship with you? Tough then!

I really hate people who try and come between their partners and their previous children, I think its cruel and wicked. This will impact on your children picking this twat over them. OP you sound nice but please don't give into this. Surely where your home is will always be your children's home too.

Yes, you're right. And I've been thinking too about the future. Am I always going to have this? (yes, is the answer),. I want my children to feel they can come and go, that my home will always be a place where they're welcome and can relax. But that's not going to happen if this keeps up.
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RantyAunty · 13/12/2021 15:29

He's terrible. Tell him to fuck off.
He can make plans to leave 1st of the year. You could rent a room out until the lease is up.
No way I would be waiting until August to get rid of this arse.

meow1989 · 13/12/2021 15:31

Uninvite your partner from the relationship

Mermaidwaves · 13/12/2021 15:32

@inthemiddlemum
Yes I think you may well have this in the future, what about when grandkids come along? Will he resent them too?

I've been in an abusive marriage, I do understand. It feels like you give in to keep the peace, make them happy right? But all it does is make their demands more unreasonable.

Practically can you rent somewhere smaller on your own? It's scary starting out again I know but having your own space and not having to deal with this mans behaviour would probably make you so much happier.

felulageller · 13/12/2021 15:40

He's abusive. I hope you find a way to move on quickly.

blissfulllife · 13/12/2021 15:47

Also...I wonder what he will be like when you have grandchildren

Triffid1 · 13/12/2021 15:50

I'm struggling to understand why you are with a man who dislikes your teenage DD so much. Does she not live with you? Is it because of him? Or is there just a constant bad atmosphere in your house?

As for your son - again, I'm struggling to get my head round a situation where HE has changed HIS plans and as a result a young adult son must be uninvited? FFS.

He doesn't sound like a keeper to me, but much more like the monster you claim he isn't.

KatherineJaneway · 13/12/2021 15:52

@BoundariesAlready

I suspect the reason your daughter doesn't particularly like him is that she's got the measure of him.
Totally agree
thatsallineed · 13/12/2021 15:55

he takes things very personally and is always so hurt by what he perceives as rejection

Yet at the same time, he is expecting you to reject your children and prioritise him.

Shoxfordian · 13/12/2021 16:26

Your children already don’t feel they can relax in your home with him there; one day they won’t bother coming round anymore if you continue prioritising him

SunflowerTed · 13/12/2021 17:32

Nobody with any decency would make you uninvite your child. When you have ditched this arsehole your life will be so much easier!

NorthSouthcatlady · 13/12/2021 17:51

He’s unreasonable. It’s Christmas and why shouldn’t you see your children? It’s not their fault or your fault his plans have changed, it’s your home as well

@BoundariesAlready l haven’t seen that before but it covers it all rather well

billy1966 · 13/12/2021 18:42

YABU.

Completely unreasonable.

I feel very sorry for your children who have had this awful man foisted on them.

Make better choices OP.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 13/12/2021 18:45

@billy1966

YABU.

Completely unreasonable.

I feel very sorry for your children who have had this awful man foisted on them.

Make better choices OP.

This, really. It makes me so sad to think of your kids navigating this dynamic and not being prioritised.
Faevern · 13/12/2021 18:58

I made it to the 3rd paragraph, and that was enough to know he is a twat. He is keeping your children at a distance as they can see straight through him. Divide and conquer.

Tell him to fuck off changing his plans doesn’t include coming home. Talk to your children, sort your finances and priorities and live without him.

HopelesslyOptimistic · 13/12/2021 18:59

Oh God OP, set a New Years resolution - Dump Him. Absolutely stick with your plans, that he instigated.... the joy you will have, with both children around you at Xmas, I know will give you that last little push to stand up to this spoilt, pathetic, self-obsessed man.

Monr0e · 13/12/2021 19:02

How old is teenage DD?

And how long has he been your partner? Does he live with you?

You should definitely not uninvite your son, that would be awful. And you should stop inflicting this nasty bully on your daughter.

NynaeveSedai · 13/12/2021 19:03

He's not going to change us is he? Please wake up and ditch the loser. Are you sure you can't afford it without him? Would you be entitled to any benefits without him? Does it have a spare room you could sub let?

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