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Could you completely disregard a potential BF / partner's low financial status?

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CatAndHisKit · 03/12/2021 20:26

I just wonder whether most women are like me and can not ignore (and in my case afford to) go into an LTR where partner contrubutes very little.
I actually wouldn;t have minded if I was well-off myself, but my situation is, I own a small house outright (I live in an inexpensive but 'ok' area) but my income is sporadic / often low due to being self employed.

I'm looking for an LTR as I 'm strruggling a bit being single for so long and hafing no emotional and practical support from a partner, but I'm also quite fussy as to who I like. Theoretically I'd like a situation where partner/husband lives in my house but earn well, or where we'd pull resources and buy a bigger house etc. I would not normally consider anything else as I just can't afford a better lifestyle on my own and part of the pull of having an LTR is that I dont have to rely on myself solely (I support my parent too).

Well lo and behold I've made friends with a man quite a bit older than me but he's retired early and doesnt own a house, lives with family in a council house. He is divorced for sure. I'd normally not date someone like that (though age gap alone is not an issue at all) - BUT he is genuinely very nice, we have a great connection, and he seriously likes me / is in love by the looks of it. It sort of just happened that we became friends but he wans more and I feel drawn to him. We haven't officially dated or kissed as I don't want to be impulsive. He says he is a very loving man and would be very supportive emotionally - and I can see that.
But - I've never gone for this in the past, it's just after being single for a long while it's hard to resist that warm carig attitude he's showing. Im being a bit bitchy for telling him I sort of expect contribution. Soundsa reallt silly but maybe most people normally go for the feelings and ignore the rest? I think I could just stay friends with him but he wants more so probably won't work, and also I have started missing him when we don't meet for a while so I'm not immune emotionally.
Sorry for therambling post!

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whyarentiskinnyet · 04/12/2021 07:10

I think it's very important to
Feel like you are both contributing, imbalance can cause resentment eventually. I was earning a lot more than my DH for a long time and it was hard, he did alot more with our DS so I felt at least that made up a bit but when it came to wanting to go out or holidays etc I always felt a bit frustrated. Now things are much better and he's earning alot more and it makes a huge difference to what we can do and how I feel. Also if you at working and he's retired then he'll never bring in more and you will eventually get frustrated

JSL52 · 04/12/2021 07:47

Why are you supporting your parent ? Don't they have a pension ?

Dozer · 04/12/2021 07:54

Haha, yes, his housing, work and money situation aside he’s got a track record cheating!

HaaaaaveyoumetTed · 04/12/2021 08:00

Plenty of men end up in relationships where the women earns little more than minimum wage. Why should a man earn more? Be "the bread winner".

IknowwhatIneed · 04/12/2021 08:04

I’d not sign up to this, I would need someone who can stand on their own two feet and wouldn’t be happy for him to swap dependence on his ex for dependence on me. If he can’t support himself financially I certainly won’t be supporting him.

Riverlee · 04/12/2021 08:16

“ So he's essentially unemployed, not looking for work and living on benefits? ” (and homeless?).

A good summary of the situation.

Bluntness100 · 04/12/2021 08:31

Can you retire early on a state Pension? I didn’t think that was possible. Is he maybe just long term unemployed and then now on a pension due to his age?

billyt · 04/12/2021 09:41

@JSL52

Why are you supporting your parent ? Don't they have a pension ?
I questioned this in my mind as it was almost an aside.

you earn sporadically and also support your parents. So you have financial issues as well. Yet you want someone who can contribute equally.

So they share the costs of supporting your parents as well?

Chamomileteaplease · 04/12/2021 10:34

I find it hard to understand what this man expects.

Is he wanting to start a relationship with you and at some point move into your house, then contribute very little financially so that you are in fact supporting him? I am not sure how much a state pension gives.

He sounds like he expects his charm to carry him anywhere! He sounds bloody brazen if you ask me!

Bollindger · 04/12/2021 10:42

The fact your even writting this post means you already have worries about it.
This man is using his ex wife, even if he is on so nice about it.
So your his next move in life, so no wonder he is all hearts and flowers towards you.
Older men tend to expect the woman to do the cooking cleaning ECT.
If he was such a catch why is he divorced.?

TerraNovaTwo · 04/12/2021 10:51

It would be a no from me. Emotionally supportive now is not the same as emotionally supportive in 10 years when he needs full time care. Wanting financial support of some substance and or description is not unreasonable.

Momijin · 04/12/2021 11:17

Would I want to date a pensioner? No. Would I want to date a poor pensioner? No.

Alcemeg · 04/12/2021 11:24

Ooohhhhh OP!!!! Very sensible of you to question this, and don't let anyone take the moral high ground with you.

What really jumps out from your posts:

He seriously likes me / is in love by the looks of it. It sort of just happened that we became friends but he wants more and I feel drawn to him. ... He says he is a very loving man and would be very supportive emotionally.
and then in your next post:
He would not be offering all the emotional support if we just stayed friends, he said he will if we are together - I just can see that he is capable of it.

So he is dangling "emotional support" like a carrot, on condition that you have a romantic/sexual relationship. Presumably because he can see that this appeals to you strongly, enough for you to be seriously wondering about compromising about other things that are (rightly!) important to you, such as being able to afford a nicer home and leading an active life.

You also mention that you can't afford to be with someone skint.

This isn't going to get any easier as time goes on.

I am married to someone skint and although we truly love each other, I cannot say with hand on heart that me being the sole earner doesn't bother me. However, he's much younger than me and has been hampered by current circumstance, so the future should be brighter. Your situation looks like a long tunnel that just gets darker.

Loneliness, or the fear of loneliness, can make us very vulnerable to people who know how to play their cards right (I speak from bitter experiences in my past!). I suspect from what you say that your gut is warning you against him, and you're just focusing on the $$$ as it's easier to explain. For example:

after being single for a long while it's hard to resist that warm caring attitude he's showing ...
(you don't say "a warm caring person like him": you can't, because he's already made it clear that all this "caring" is conditional upon you becoming more than just friends. What kind of friend makes demands like that?!)

I have started missing him when we don't meet for a while so I'm not immune emotionally
Well, you're human. I got involved with a total loser tosser wanker prick (sorry) and used to look forward to him shuffling round to my house with a bottle of wine and some roll-up fags. If you'd told me I was lonely I would have protested, but looking back, I was.

I don't want to use him
In what way are you using him? Has he somehow managed to manipulate you into thinking that your friendship with him is "using" him unless you follow his agenda?

devotion alone may not be enough (obviously no proof that he will be devoted, he's just in that mindset currently )
Errrmmm, quite.

I think some people are good at charming you - he did mention he had a number of relationships and then wife accepted him back - so he must have something going for him, I imagine many women have a soft spot for these soulful charming characters.
Yes indeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!!!!!!

I will try to preserve the friendship if he accepts that
What kind of friend refuses to accept friendship?!?!?!?

"Soulful and charming" is not quite the same as genuinely loving, OP. Hang on in there. As for finding someone later in life, get out more (I know current circumstances are not ideal for this, sadly...). Make a list of what you really want in a partner, and don't settle for less. Post it to yourself if you like, so you have a date stamp on the envelope and can open it and read through the list whenever you need to remind yourself of what's really important to you.

Don't swap one kind of lack of support (emotional) for another (financial), just because you feel starved of emotional support. Especially as I get the feeling, reading between the lines, that emotionally he is a bit like someone flashing their wallet around.

totally different life style in terms of trying to achieve something
...and don't give up on your dreams! Flowers

Rangoon · 04/12/2021 11:39

My grandfather always said that when poverty came in the door love went out the window.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 04/12/2021 13:21

@episcomama

I would question the choices of someone who had "retired early" who was dependent on his ex-wife for his living accommodation. So he's essentially unemployed, not looking for work and living on benefits? That would be a dealbreaker for me, I'm afraid.
I don't understand how you can get a state pension if you retire early? And no other income from a work pension? State pension is about £700 a month isn't it?
CatAndHisKit · 05/12/2021 00:22

Some excellent posts here, thank you! a lot of wisdom from people who actually had great relationships which really helps!

Don't swap one kind of lack of support (emotional) for another (financial), just because you feel starved of emotional support. Especially as I get the feeling, reading between the lines, that emotionally he is a bit like someone flashing their wallet around.
Alcemed that's a stunning metaphor! he's great at it - he may genuinely have the capacity same as a wealthy man has money, but boy he's hooking me with it. It's impossible to say really whether he does it 'purely and simply' or in a ore calculated way as I don't really know him. Really he's used to his life and is fine with it - he's friends / housesharers with the ex, has adult kids nearby and GC, he's quite popular socially, he's just on a skint side.
Yes, sorry I've confused everyome re pension - he's retired early for health reasons from him main job / self employed business, but dd then work for a bit in a low paid part time job, so has reached state pension age - and that's all he's getting. I didn't ask if he has savings too, as we aer not that familiar. But income is just that.
The thing is, he's used to it and is fime with his modest lifestyle- I imagine partly as due to health reasons he wouldn;t be able to do more, but it's not a bad life, he is happy that his family (kids ) around him and he is quite popular socially - but he's got no romantic life and I imagine is bored as he and wife aer like housesharers. I think I'm something exciting to him and I ca n ee hat he likes to be giving and supportive, and he said that. It's just - especially having read al the wise posts - I'm not at that stage in life (may have suited a much older woman who's less active) and still hoping for more, i mean a more complete package.
He would be living in my house - to those who say why should he pay a bigger share towards lifestyle / bils - although they coexist fine, he'd love to live with someone he finds attarctive. Currently it's fine and convenient, but he does lonely there in his room, as he describes it. I undersand that, nothing wrong as such if he got together with someone who's similar.
Well for me it was friendship so far but for him attarction was involved from the start apparently - and he took my interest as attraction, I've tried t tell him I love his personality / him as a friend but he possibly does't understand how that works - and indeed I'm vulnerable as I'm sort of starved emotionally ( I was happy being single for a long while but now I just realise how much i'd love a partner who genuinely cares, and it's mutual) and he's showing what that may look like - but sadly I'm learning now that other things do play a role.

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IamGusFring · 05/12/2021 00:30

He is older than you , he has been a cheat , he has medical issues , he is retired on a low pension , he doesn't own property , he shares with his ex wife , he'd love to live with someone who is attractive - wtf ! Come on use you head here .

CatAndHisKit · 05/12/2021 00:38

@TerraNovaTwo

It would be a no from me. Emotionally supportive now is not the same as emotionally supportive in 10 years when he needs full time care. Wanting financial support of some substance and or description is not unreasonable.
Yes he will prob need care in about 10yrs, he just keeps saying how he'd always be there for me and how caring he is. And no he's adamant he wouldn;t rely on me for money - but he just can not contribute much beyond essentials. I think i'll jusy have to be blunt but in a gentle way that it's not realistic or what I need, and I'd be vey happy to stay friends - but I'd be sad if he can't do frienship only.
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CatAndHisKit · 05/12/2021 00:43

hahaha thank you for apologising, you didnt really have to. He does haev a roof over his head and will stay there forever if he doesb;t meet a new woman - he actually said that, it's ok but not vey fulfilling for him atm as he still feels like he has potential/something to give as a partner.

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CatAndHisKit · 05/12/2021 00:46

To those who asked. I'm nearly 20yrs younger, but as he pointed out I'm not a youngester. 'If you were 20 then that would be an unreasonable difference' he says, 'but you are not' - quite, I do realis that the older you get the more blurred the age gap becomes, haha.

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CatAndHisKit · 05/12/2021 00:47

*youngster

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thickthighs73 · 05/12/2021 00:48

I’d rather be with someone because we get on great (and laugh a lot) have amazing sex and I fancy them to bits, rather than what’s in their bank account.

Rainydayss · 05/12/2021 00:51

I used to think someone's financial status wasn't important. However after a short relationship with a man who earned a decent wage yet was broke because he was paying off debts, I soon realised I'd be bailing him out.
If I bought myself a new bag/shoes/ whatever then I'd feel guilty knowing he couldn't afford to put petrol in his car. He would make comments such as 'must be nice for some' and want to spend dates looking in charity shops.
I'm now with someone who is roughly in the same boat as me, I don't want his money but we can do lots of nice things and pay equally or treat each other.
They'll be other nice, emotional kind and strong people out there for you without the money and age concerns.

CatAndHisKit · 05/12/2021 01:00

cookiemonster yes, exactly, being a carer is ffin emotionally if there is a financial cushion - I will also like be my parent's carer.

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LemonSwan · 05/12/2021 01:00

This isnt about financial status. This is about someone whos reached retirement with nothing to show for a whole lifetime of working. For me that would be a massive turn off, and thats not about whats in the bank balance. It shows a series of poor decisions throughout a whole lifetime and I would wonder about the true character of such a person.

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