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Not sure what to do anymore 😞

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exono · 25/11/2021 18:06

My husband and I have been together for 11 years, married 4. We have a 2 year old son and he’s basically raised my 14 year old daughter from a previous relationship.
I’ll start off by saying I am NOT perfect. We always had an amazing relationship and sex life, never fought, always were on the same page, etc. and I’m not giving this backstory to justify things I’ve done. Just how things have managed to get where they are..
2.5 years ago when I was 8 months pregnant and not being very intimate due to general uncomfortableness and just being insecure, I caught my husband sneaking off to the bathroom for an hour at a time to shower at ridiculous times of the night. I figured he was just taking care of himself because we hadn’t been too intimate for a few weeks. When it kept happening though I started to get frustrated by it and even got up a few times to listen outside the bathroom door to see if I could confirm that was what was happening.
Well it was; but not in the way I thought.
He came back into the bedroom one night and slid something under the bed before getting back in and didn’t realize I was awake. I checked in the morning to find a dildo. I wasn’t sure what to think as this wasn’t something I was aware he even owned, let alone knew he was into. It really upset me that I didn’t know this about him.
I finally worked up the courage to say something and the only explanation he gave was β€œI just like how it feels, my ex and I used to use them”. This really hurt. I’d shared a bed with him for 9 years and had no idea he was even in to this, and he clearly wasn’t comfortable enough to tell me.
He never spoke on it again, and I didn’t know how, but I felt so betrayed. It didn’t help that he continued to do it, only this time moving to the basement, which is how I knew to go looking. I probably shouldn’t have, but I was curious, and I instantly regretted it. He had a whole collection, all shapes, sizes, some the width and length of my forearm, some with suction cups (explains the showers). There was something about the mental image of my husband engaging in this, down in the basement and in the shower that completely turned me off. I hated feeling like I was kink shaming, but it went much deeper than that.
Our sex life fell off after that. I started building up resentment, and then he’d get frustrated, not communicate that in a healthy way, and I’d only close up more.
And then the pandemic hit, newborn baby, not sure if I had a job still, and him working 10-12 hour days. My mental health was incredibly poor, and so was his. We stopped being us.
I stopped being able to communicate with him and he didn’t give me room to feel like I could anyways; he’d come home in bad moods, complain how stressed, exhausted and β€œunderfucked” he was. He would drop comments about us not being intimate, but they were always snarky or meant to make me feel guilty, which only made me close off more.

Fast forward to last year, I stupidly joined a chatting app. It was innocent at first, just a way to feel like I could vent and communicate, feel like my voice mattered. Until this past March, that’s all it was. But then I met someone, and we hit it off right away. I didn’t even realize I was engaging in an EA until we started getting flirty. He was someone I confided in, and as awful as it was, I vented about my partner too. He was understanding and made me validated in the way I was feeling and it felt good to be heard.
Meanwhile; my husband had given up on trying to be intimate, and we had gone into an autopilot routine for the kids. A few times over the last year he asked about what I was doing on my phone, but never pressed too much. I had mentally checked out.

A few weeks ago he was spying on me and caught me texting my EA, and went ballistic. I was honest, I completely came clean and this opened the door to conversations we should have been having for months.
He had never brought up the kink of his until then, and even admitted he knew that was a turning point in our sex life and ultimately our marriage. And the passive aggressiveness didn’t help either.
I learned he had installed spy cams, but took those down when he realized the quality was shit. He just wanted to know what I was doing on my phone, but I felt so violated when I learned this, and guilty for pushing him to do this.
He had been crying for help for so long but I had mentally checked out. I questioned if how much of it I ignored was because I felt like he was being passive aggressive about it all (a lot of the time he was), or if I genuinely just stopped caring.
We’ve tried to reconcile since. I’ve started therapy, but he gets upset when I go because I don’t open up to him about it after. He’s also called during sessions to make sure I’m actually there.
I’ve made a lot of efforts since we decided to reconcile but sex for me is still off the table right now. I’m just not there yet. He on the other hand is back to making the passive aggressive comments (β€œguess I’ll go dream about my wife having sex with”).
We just went through something huge, and there’s still things that need to be talked about and sex just isn’t at the top of my list right now nor do I even want to right now.
The pressuring me for it though, and getting mad when I turn him down only pushes me further away and he doesn’t get that.
He’s placing so much of his happiness on wether or not we’re being intimate and it doesn’t feel fair at all.
I just don’t know what to do..

OP posts:
HarrisonStickle · 26/11/2021 10:21

I’ve done everything I can, that I’m comfortable with, to show my remorse, made active efforts to show him I want to reconcile, even started counseling.

He's manipulating you into taking all the blame. If you're determined to stay you need to accept that. And accept that reconciliation means sex.

Lifewith · 26/11/2021 11:27

He's dangerous. Spying on you is dangerous behaviour

Colourmeclear · 26/11/2021 14:40

This must be so distressing for you. The camera thing made me take a very long breath in, that is a violation of trust and privacy, something that is usually the bedrock for an intimate relationship.

I dated someone who's sole worth in his eyes was based on sex. The best thing I ever did was leave. I'm now with someone who agrees that sex should be an enhancement to a good relationship and doesn't define our self worth. I've done the sleeping with someone because they see it as validation and it is grim, unbelievably sad and painful. You feel invisible and used. Like sex is done at you not with.

I don't know if you together can repair the relationship. It sounds like you both have different ideas about what is broken. I don't think counseling would help as he clearly doesn't respect your therapeutic space or want to listen to your side of things and is using abuse to try and sway your opinion.

Has he ever had counseling on his own?

exono · 26/11/2021 15:54

He claims to have gone to counseling once a few months ago, but I honestly don’t think he did. He likes to embellish things a lot, he’s an entertainer by nature.
When he mentioned that he had gone, and this was before finding out about the EA, he said he didn’t like what the counselor had to say and implied that they just said to divorce me.
Again, I feel it in my gut that he didn’t even go though.
He had taken some time off work in May, it was his first vacation in over a year due to the pandemic. Apparently that’s when he went.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 26/11/2021 16:36

Start getting paperwork together.

Also ring Women's aid for advice and support.

Putting spy cameras up is breaking the law.
See what Women's aid have to say about that.

I don't for a minute believe he went to a counsellor.
Ask for a name and suggest you go for a session there too.

I bet he will be all bluff.

ErickBroch · 26/11/2021 16:44

He should have been honest about his kink early on, i would feel very deceived if I suddenly found this information out years down the line. I would not be sexually attracted to my DP anymore, either. I am not sure why either of you are trying to stay together, to be honest, it really sounds like it's more than over. The spycams and emotional affair have just come from what is clearly a horrendous relationship. Absolutely call it quits and work at being good co-parents.

DeadoftheMoon · 26/11/2021 16:55

You are with a man who likes to take it up the bum. Is that what you signed up for? No. And now he knows that you know, he has no further need for secrecy or to hold back.
'Ducks in a row' time. Be strong, get organised. Get out. Oh, and stop blaming yourself. You are entitled to know what's going on in your life-partner's sex life.

MMmomDD · 26/11/2021 16:55

I think you need to figure out separation as you are clearly incompatible.

You are quite set in your view of sexuality and I don’t think you and him can get the physical relationship back. And without intimacy this won’t work.

He was right not to tell you - he probably knew you well enough to predict you will react the way you did.
And I feel sorry for him, actually. Because this isn’t some weird kink. Many straight men enjoy prostate stimulation. And it must be terrible to have to be ashamed of it and hide it. Women don’t have the right to shame men over it, or demand the sort of β€˜openness’ you seem to be demanding. His masturbation technique shouldn’t affect β€˜how you see him’. It’s controlling at a highest degree.

You perceiving this as a betrayal that justified your EA is even worse. Completely unfair and transferring responsibility for your actions.

Him putting up cameras to figure out what you do on your phone is safe as you spying on his masturbation toys.

In the end of the day - he is right about the flow of responsibility. You had an active and satisfying sex as a couple. His kink never interfered - who knows if he even engaged with it much back then as you had enough sex.
Then you were pregnant and didn’t want sex. He was dealing with it - and possibly came back to his kink.
You took it badly and sex dried up completely.
He continued to masturbate the way he likes - and you felt the right to be offended by it.
Then you had your EA.
Then it came to light and you decided to blame him.

There is nothing to save here. You need to sort yourself out and figure out how to support yourself.
And both of you need to find partners that are better suited for each of you.

HarrisonStickle · 26/11/2021 17:04

When he mentioned that he had gone, and this was before finding out about the EA, he said he didn’t like what the counselor had to say and implied that they just said to divorce me.

More maniplution aimed at you complying with his wants.

He's never going to return to the man you thought he was, because he was never that man in the first place.

This is it now. You forever trying to make up for your mistake and him pushing you to comply with what he wants.

bigbeatmanifesto · 26/11/2021 17:06

I think you've become sexually incompatible since finding out about what he's into & that's okay, sometimes relationships end and it's sad but in all honesty I couldn't take the sarky comments about being intimate or him asking if you can just fake it, fake it once is awkward but to fake the relationship for the rest of your life, probably not.
On top of all of that, He installed spy cameras, doesn't trust you, has hidden a part of himself for 9years, you've had an EA.
I just can't see how you could improve this relationship so much water under the bridge and all that, maybe with a lot of solo & couples counselling you could work through the distrust & sexual problems but IMO once I've got the ick for someone it can't be undone.

Lifewith · 26/11/2021 18:04

@MMmomDD

I think you need to figure out separation as you are clearly incompatible.

You are quite set in your view of sexuality and I don’t think you and him can get the physical relationship back. And without intimacy this won’t work.

He was right not to tell you - he probably knew you well enough to predict you will react the way you did.
And I feel sorry for him, actually. Because this isn’t some weird kink. Many straight men enjoy prostate stimulation. And it must be terrible to have to be ashamed of it and hide it. Women don’t have the right to shame men over it, or demand the sort of β€˜openness’ you seem to be demanding. His masturbation technique shouldn’t affect β€˜how you see him’. It’s controlling at a highest degree.

You perceiving this as a betrayal that justified your EA is even worse. Completely unfair and transferring responsibility for your actions.

Him putting up cameras to figure out what you do on your phone is safe as you spying on his masturbation toys.

In the end of the day - he is right about the flow of responsibility. You had an active and satisfying sex as a couple. His kink never interfered - who knows if he even engaged with it much back then as you had enough sex.
Then you were pregnant and didn’t want sex. He was dealing with it - and possibly came back to his kink.
You took it badly and sex dried up completely.
He continued to masturbate the way he likes - and you felt the right to be offended by it.
Then you had your EA.
Then it came to light and you decided to blame him.

There is nothing to save here. You need to sort yourself out and figure out how to support yourself.
And both of you need to find partners that are better suited for each of you.

What a way to excuse manipulative and abusive behaviour. You feel sorry for him? You sound just as bad as him. What a way to completely victim blame the OP. Spying on her in the bathroom has nothing to do with his use if dildos, they are separate issues.
chilliplant634 · 26/11/2021 18:51

I strongly disagree lifewith.

You are making him out to be the victim. If the kink was such a non negotiable part of who is he is as a person then he should have been honest and up front from the beginning. If you want a kink then fine, but don't expect everyone else to be accepting of it. You could argue that he hid it and was dishonest. OP would probably never got into a relationship with this guy if she knew this.

You say many straight men enjoy taking it up the bum. Fine. But I reckon the majority of straight men don't. And many straight women are turned off by this. It isn't his right that she accept this, anymore than any other fetish.

Sex very often does taper off for a bit during pregnancy etc. They probably would have resumed a normal sexual relationship afterwards, if it wasn't for this kink/fetish. Most men don't start doing this after not having sex for a few months.

Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 19:41

@chilliplant634

I strongly disagree lifewith.

You are making him out to be the victim. If the kink was such a non negotiable part of who is he is as a person then he should have been honest and up front from the beginning. If you want a kink then fine, but don't expect everyone else to be accepting of it. You could argue that he hid it and was dishonest. OP would probably never got into a relationship with this guy if she knew this.

You say many straight men enjoy taking it up the bum. Fine. But I reckon the majority of straight men don't. And many straight women are turned off by this. It isn't his right that she accept this, anymore than any other fetish.

Sex very often does taper off for a bit during pregnancy etc. They probably would have resumed a normal sexual relationship afterwards, if it wasn't for this kink/fetish. Most men don't start doing this after not having sex for a few months.

It's not about making either of them out to be a victim. It's about trying to understand the shame and stigma that a surprising number of straight men who enjoy prostate stimulation have to endure. You say yourself many straight women are put off by it and that's exactly the point. That's why stuff like this which goes on more often than you might believe gets hidden away. Do you honestly think OP would have gone anywhere near him again if he had told her at the start?
Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 19:43

Out of I Teresa what would people be saying if it was OP who had been using dildos for years without telling her husband?

Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 19:43

Out of interest not Teresa lol

Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 19:44

Would they be dildo shaming her and telling him to LTB for her deceit?

Lifewith · 26/11/2021 19:52

@Monalotmoore

Out of I Teresa what would people be saying if it was OP who had been using dildos for years without telling her husband?
Is that a joke? Are you for real?
Lifewith · 26/11/2021 19:54

@Monalotmoore
You seem to be hung up on the dildo action, god knows why, and using that to shame the ops feelings. so I'm not going to engage with you as you come across as quite manipulative too

Lifewith · 26/11/2021 19:56

@chilliplant634 not sure why you've quoted me as I was agreeing with you? Think you've named the wrong poster

Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 20:04

I'm asking how people would react if the situation was reversed. Would the advice be the same? How is that shaming the OP?

Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 20:06

[quote Lifewith]@Monalotmoore
You seem to be hung up on the dildo action, god knows why, and using that to shame the ops feelings. so I'm not going to engage with you as you come across as quite manipulative too[/quote]
If you can't understand the question then I don't think you quite have the intelligence to engage with me anyway to be fair. It's rhetorical.

exono · 26/11/2021 20:15

When he came clean about it, a few weeks ago when we tried to talk about everything, he admitted this was something that he’s known he’s enjoyed since he was 14. This isn’t a new kink at all.
I’ve struggled a lot with the guilt of feeling like I’m kink shaming him, but at the end of the day, everyone should get an opinion on what they do and don’t like and what’s a turn on and what isn’t. I don’t think that’s kink shaming and with it being something he hid for so long from me, I was never even given the opportunity to have an opinion on it.
I have my own toys that he’s well aware of, and has been well aware of considering we’ve incorporated them in the bedroom. This is what bothers me. I was always open about the things I use, like/dislike.

It’s sad that the person above is saying I’m justifying my EA by this. I’m not, I take full accountability for it, it was a choice I made.
After I found out what I did, things changed with us, and it wasn’t until this last March that my EA had started- we had problems before then. The pandemic and all the stress and exhaustion that came with it played a significant role as well, bearing down on the resentment already building up.
I don’t use his kink to justify what I did. I made a choice, but he did too.

OP posts:
Llamaqueef · 26/11/2021 20:24

For what it's worth I think your EA was a symptom of the problem, not because of it. I don't think you are dildo shaming him either. It is an interesting point though that nobody would tell a man to leave his wife if he found a secret collection he wasn't aware of. When it's a man using them there seems to be revulsion a woman would not be subject to.

chilliplant634 · 26/11/2021 20:24

Sorry Lifewith. I got confused.

Monalotmoore:

Essentially, for most straight people, taking it up the bum whether you are male or female, is not a standard heterosexual practice. So I disagree with your insinuation that the problem is that the OP or anyone else who is not into this is too rigid in their sexual tastes/practices. For this same reason I also don't think you can compare a woman using a dildo in her vagina to a man using one in his anus.

I can see your point. It is slowly becoming more common and I can see many will clamour to normalise it and make anyone who isn't interested in it seem weird and too "vanilla".

But isn't it also somewhat a choice? They have been together for over 10 years and their sex life was pretty good without it, according to the OP. Its not like it is the only way he can achieve sexual satisfaction is it? So It seems that he resumed his interest in this when she was temporarily unavailable for sex.

The problem with a lot of these kinks and fetishises is that even if done solo, they do in the long term impact on the person's sex life with their partner. There are a multitude of threads on here with similar themes.

So whether it's dressing up as a woman or using a dildo in his anus, why should OP have to be OK with it? She has her own sexual preferences too.

Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 20:35

@chilliplant634

Sorry Lifewith. I got confused.

Monalotmoore:

Essentially, for most straight people, taking it up the bum whether you are male or female, is not a standard heterosexual practice. So I disagree with your insinuation that the problem is that the OP or anyone else who is not into this is too rigid in their sexual tastes/practices. For this same reason I also don't think you can compare a woman using a dildo in her vagina to a man using one in his anus.

I can see your point. It is slowly becoming more common and I can see many will clamour to normalise it and make anyone who isn't interested in it seem weird and too "vanilla".

But isn't it also somewhat a choice? They have been together for over 10 years and their sex life was pretty good without it, according to the OP. Its not like it is the only way he can achieve sexual satisfaction is it? So It seems that he resumed his interest in this when she was temporarily unavailable for sex.

The problem with a lot of these kinks and fetishises is that even if done solo, they do in the long term impact on the person's sex life with their partner. There are a multitude of threads on here with similar themes.

So whether it's dressing up as a woman or using a dildo in his anus, why should OP have to be OK with it? She has her own sexual preferences too.

I've never said the OP should be ok with it, in fact if you go back a page or so you'll see I said the complete opposite. However you raise an interesting point, how do we even know sex was enough for him and he only went back to it when it dried up? How do we or the OP know he wasn't doing it all the time anyway? All that seems to have changed is knowledge. She was happy before because she didn't know it was happening. Now that's changed.