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Not sure what to do anymore 😞

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exono · 25/11/2021 18:06

My husband and I have been together for 11 years, married 4. We have a 2 year old son and he’s basically raised my 14 year old daughter from a previous relationship.
I’ll start off by saying I am NOT perfect. We always had an amazing relationship and sex life, never fought, always were on the same page, etc. and I’m not giving this backstory to justify things I’ve done. Just how things have managed to get where they are..
2.5 years ago when I was 8 months pregnant and not being very intimate due to general uncomfortableness and just being insecure, I caught my husband sneaking off to the bathroom for an hour at a time to shower at ridiculous times of the night. I figured he was just taking care of himself because we hadn’t been too intimate for a few weeks. When it kept happening though I started to get frustrated by it and even got up a few times to listen outside the bathroom door to see if I could confirm that was what was happening.
Well it was; but not in the way I thought.
He came back into the bedroom one night and slid something under the bed before getting back in and didn’t realize I was awake. I checked in the morning to find a dildo. I wasn’t sure what to think as this wasn’t something I was aware he even owned, let alone knew he was into. It really upset me that I didn’t know this about him.
I finally worked up the courage to say something and the only explanation he gave was β€œI just like how it feels, my ex and I used to use them”. This really hurt. I’d shared a bed with him for 9 years and had no idea he was even in to this, and he clearly wasn’t comfortable enough to tell me.
He never spoke on it again, and I didn’t know how, but I felt so betrayed. It didn’t help that he continued to do it, only this time moving to the basement, which is how I knew to go looking. I probably shouldn’t have, but I was curious, and I instantly regretted it. He had a whole collection, all shapes, sizes, some the width and length of my forearm, some with suction cups (explains the showers). There was something about the mental image of my husband engaging in this, down in the basement and in the shower that completely turned me off. I hated feeling like I was kink shaming, but it went much deeper than that.
Our sex life fell off after that. I started building up resentment, and then he’d get frustrated, not communicate that in a healthy way, and I’d only close up more.
And then the pandemic hit, newborn baby, not sure if I had a job still, and him working 10-12 hour days. My mental health was incredibly poor, and so was his. We stopped being us.
I stopped being able to communicate with him and he didn’t give me room to feel like I could anyways; he’d come home in bad moods, complain how stressed, exhausted and β€œunderfucked” he was. He would drop comments about us not being intimate, but they were always snarky or meant to make me feel guilty, which only made me close off more.

Fast forward to last year, I stupidly joined a chatting app. It was innocent at first, just a way to feel like I could vent and communicate, feel like my voice mattered. Until this past March, that’s all it was. But then I met someone, and we hit it off right away. I didn’t even realize I was engaging in an EA until we started getting flirty. He was someone I confided in, and as awful as it was, I vented about my partner too. He was understanding and made me validated in the way I was feeling and it felt good to be heard.
Meanwhile; my husband had given up on trying to be intimate, and we had gone into an autopilot routine for the kids. A few times over the last year he asked about what I was doing on my phone, but never pressed too much. I had mentally checked out.

A few weeks ago he was spying on me and caught me texting my EA, and went ballistic. I was honest, I completely came clean and this opened the door to conversations we should have been having for months.
He had never brought up the kink of his until then, and even admitted he knew that was a turning point in our sex life and ultimately our marriage. And the passive aggressiveness didn’t help either.
I learned he had installed spy cams, but took those down when he realized the quality was shit. He just wanted to know what I was doing on my phone, but I felt so violated when I learned this, and guilty for pushing him to do this.
He had been crying for help for so long but I had mentally checked out. I questioned if how much of it I ignored was because I felt like he was being passive aggressive about it all (a lot of the time he was), or if I genuinely just stopped caring.
We’ve tried to reconcile since. I’ve started therapy, but he gets upset when I go because I don’t open up to him about it after. He’s also called during sessions to make sure I’m actually there.
I’ve made a lot of efforts since we decided to reconcile but sex for me is still off the table right now. I’m just not there yet. He on the other hand is back to making the passive aggressive comments (β€œguess I’ll go dream about my wife having sex with”).
We just went through something huge, and there’s still things that need to be talked about and sex just isn’t at the top of my list right now nor do I even want to right now.
The pressuring me for it though, and getting mad when I turn him down only pushes me further away and he doesn’t get that.
He’s placing so much of his happiness on wether or not we’re being intimate and it doesn’t feel fair at all.
I just don’t know what to do..

OP posts:
chilliplant634 · 25/11/2021 19:53

Mistakes have been made on both sides. The question is are you both willing to own your mistakes and is their will from both sides to make it work? You feel betrayed by his kink and he feels betrayed because of your EA.

To be honest, if I found out my husband had been shoving a dildo up his arse, I would be completely repulsed by it. It would be a real turn off for me. You shouldn't have to feel guilty about feeling that way. It's only on mumsnet that women are expected to accept every sexual kink/porn habit that a man decides to cultivate.

What's your bottom line? (No pun intended)

For me, I would want him to give up the kink and I would also accept that I have behaved badly and would cut off contact with the EA partner. And the try and work on the relationship and see if you can both reconnect and regain trust.

Monalotmoore · 25/11/2021 20:06

I can't see him giving this up if he was doing it with exes a decade ago.

RandomMess · 25/11/2021 20:09

To me he lied about his sexual preferences/kink for 11 years. Can he not see the irony when he is angry that you lied to him?

Nedclarity · 25/11/2021 20:17

It’s clearly important to him if he has loads of advanced dildos (how did you never discover them around the house?). He should have been open with you, I can understand that it would have been a bit of a worry but the fact he’s been concealing a great big lie about who he is - THAT is the issue here.

As for the spying, that is just not ok. I’m not usually on the Mumsnet β€˜LTB’ train but this one, unless he engages in therapy with you, I would be packing my bags. Do you WANT to sort things out with him? Someone else said he’d have to give up his kink, but I don’t know if that would be possible or healthy either. Do you want to stay with him if you β€˜fix’ his controlling behaviour and he learns to communicate properly, knowing that these are his sexual preferences? It would put me off for sure but what we think doesn’t really matter. It’s only what you think and feels that matters.

This must be a huge shock for you.

Monalotmoore · 25/11/2021 20:18

@RandomMess

To me he lied about his sexual preferences/kink for 11 years. Can he not see the irony when he is angry that you lied to him?
But like I said, this isn't exactly dinner table talk. It's not a kink many people would be able to cope with finding out and he must have felt OP would react badly . He wasn't exactly wrong about that...
RandomMess · 25/11/2021 20:31

None of that makes it ok to hide and take part in a kink for 11 years after the commitment of marriage and having a child together. It's still a lie by omission.

Monalotmoore · 25/11/2021 20:43

Well of course it's a lie by omission but the fact remains it's not exactly something you'd be posting all over your family Facebook page. It stands to reason that he was probably too ashamed to say anything because he thought she'd run a mile. That's exactly why he said he didn't tell her. It doesn't make it right but it is what it is. Personally I'm not that surprised he kept quiet about it.

billy1966 · 25/11/2021 20:44

I think setting up spy cameras in the home is breaking the law.

He sounds awful.

He has lied to you for years.

I think by deliberately with holding his dildo fascination, he knew well it might be a turn off.

I think he is completely preoccupied by his sexual gratification and his request that you fake it is his complete disregard for your feelings.

I would be very wary of him.

Flowers
fournonblondes · 25/11/2021 21:10

I would not be able to carry on. Yuck!

HarrisonStickle · 25/11/2021 21:41

A guy I was engaged to a long time ago had a kink. I was happy to go along with it for the most part as I enjoyed it. But it then took over and we could never have sex without it. I ended up dumping him.

Your husband's kink is major league. It's one thing having one or two dildos but the sheer extent of them indicates that this is a pretty consuming passion of his. A passion/obsession that he kept secret from you for almost a decade! One that resulted in him skulking off to the bathroom, and then the basement to indulge in.

When you find out he starts making snarky remarks about you not wanting sex, despite not long having given birth to your child. Your relationship deteriorates and you find solace in a pleasant, easy relationship online.

As a result your husband installs cameras to check up on you, you start therapy to try and be a better wife and he phones you to make sure you've gone to appointments. Not only that but he's started pressuring you for sex again and is passive aggressive about your lack of interest.

And yet you feel guilty. And you feel he's been crying for help and you've ignored that because you've checked out. So it's your fault.

He's really doing a number on you, OP! It was a poor move to become embroiled in an emotional affair, instead of facing up to things, but your husband is using that mistake to try and make you take all the blame, and to guilt you into having sex with him to satisfy his desires, when you don't want to.

Lack of trust and hiding would finish it for me. The guilt tripping, passive aggressiveness and spycamming would only compound my decision.

I'd never be able to come back from this because I'd be forever wondering if he'd continued his kink and was hiding equipment somewhere. That level of commitment would be hard to give up after such a long time. I'd also be wondering if he was still filming me, or tracking me.

exono · 25/11/2021 22:31

He explained it as the night him and his ex (the one who did this with him) broke up, she was screaming out the car window to everyone they passed that he liked it up the ass. That he’s ashamed of it. And while I understand that reasoning, to hide it for 9 years? No mention of it? When we have explored other types of kinks too. He told me he just assumed it wasn’t something I’d like so kept to himself.

Him being open and honest about it, and expressing the shame in it would have gone over much well with me than finding out the way I did and not even talking about it after the fact. That should have been the conversation I was given 2.5 years ago, not β€œit feels good, it was something my ex and I did”. Knowing that things changed after that and not even bringing it up again.

OP posts:
exono · 26/11/2021 02:33

It’s killing me because he never used to be like this. I know I’ve played a huge role in this with my EA, but the way he was acting started long before that. To me, it’s basically coming down to his happiness resting on wether we are intimate or not. And that’s so incredibly unfair. Especially given that we haven’t really had an honest sit down conversation about the things I’ve found.
We had one conversation a few weeks ago, and that’s where he came clean about liking it, and why he hid it from me. I was honest and told him it changed how I saw him, to which he laughed and asked if I could fake it.
In his eyes, I found something I didn’t like about him and immediately turned to someone else, when that wasn’t the case at all. He sees what I did as the only issue here. He admits that him hiding his fetish and the behaviors that followed was the catalyst, but what I did trumps all of that.
I don’t know what to do here. I’ve done everything I can, that I’m comfortable with, to show my remorse, made active efforts to show him I want to reconcile, even started counseling. But his focus is sex, and because I’m not initiating or being open to his advances, that my healing isn’t on his timeline, I’m the problem here. It’s very manipulative and unfair.

I’ve toyed with the idea of leaving him but I genuinely have nowhere to go, and he’s the breadwinner. I wouldn’t be able to financially support my son and daughter on my own and even though it shouldn’t, that plays a big part in this too.
I’d love to have the man I married back, for things to be the way they were before but I know because I broke his trust, in a very different way than he broke mine, that’s never going to be the case.

OP posts:
nocnoc · 26/11/2021 04:09

You’ve been deceived and treated appallingly. Every person has a right to their kink but you have a right to know what that is before getting into a marriage with this person. He hid it for 9 years but did it with his ex? Nope. Dealbreaker. There’s no way I’d be with someone with this kind of kink. It doesn’t float my boat. If I was you I’d push ahead with divorce and get back in touch with the guy you were chatting with. You found a connection and this marriage is a train wreck

nocnoc · 26/11/2021 04:14

He broke your trust hugely. The focus should not be on the EA. It should be on him hiding the fetish for so long. A man who does that cannot be trusted and you are risking a very unhappy life in my opinion. You aren’t compatible and the man you thought you married doesn’t actually exist. It’s a falsehood. You don’t know this man. You’re married to someone who pulled wool over your eyes. You can get out of this. Go see a solicitor to work out if you can afford to split. Plenty do. You can make this work. Look at child maintenance. Benefits. Do you have family who can help?

exono · 26/11/2021 06:04

Unfortunately I don’t have any family that would help. His family has been my support system for the last 10 years, and by default I would lose that.

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FreeBritnee · 26/11/2021 06:23

I don’t think you’re going to be able to get the relationship back to where it was as you don’t trust him. He hid something from you that is a sordid part of his personality and your subconscious is wondering what else he’s got hidden. If he’d have shared his kink it might have neutralised the β€˜weird factor’. As it is he’s now got an assortment of sex toys stored in the basement and is coming across as a fucking freak, what with the e covert cameras too. I’d bet my premium bond money he films himself getting his rocks off for others enjoyment online.

RandomMess · 26/11/2021 07:35

He is being highly manipulative and is trying minimise a decade of deceit and blame you.

Until he admits to himself how wrong his deceit is abs that it's destroyed your relationship you have no hope of sorting things out.

Lifewith · 26/11/2021 07:37

@exono

Unfortunately I don’t have any family that would help. His family has been my support system for the last 10 years, and by default I would lose that.
You would build a new system, it would happen. Please don't stay with a men that records you in the bathroom that is seriously fucked up. More than anything else
chilliplant634 · 26/11/2021 08:01

Agree with other posters. He has to understand and accept his role in all of this. There needs to be an open discussion on the kink and how it has affected you and your relationship. He has to accept his part in this. If on the surface of things he wants to make it work, would he agree to couples therapy together? So that he can understand your perspective too? Failing that, I would be getting my ducks in a row...sorry.

Lifewith · 26/11/2021 08:04

Please don't go to couples therapy with someone like this. He's manipulative and abusive

Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 08:39

Men need sex to feel validated in a relationship which is probably why he is focusing on the lack of intimacy, but be really really honest here... if he had told you himself rather than you finding out the way you did, it still would have changed the way you felt wouldn't it? It makes sense that he would have been too ashamed to tell you but I just can't see how this would have fitted into any conversation and had a positive outcome where you were not the least bit phased by it, he was happy to stop rogering himself and you both lived happily ever after. I think you would have been just as mortified regardless how you found out. So we are now where we are and it's not something you can or should live with and there's no counseling your way around this so I think you need to look at separation. You can do it financially and would qualify for a reasonable amount of benefits.

Fairylights25 · 26/11/2021 08:45

Your message actually made me feel queasy, no wonder your sex life has died off, this is not what I would consider at all in the realms of normal sexual behaviour.

How can you even verify he did with an ex?
My biggest concern would be that he is gay, and is deceiving you. It would be my immediate thought in your position and there is nothing I could do to bring back an attraction to a man that felt was okay to do that in our shower in the middle of the night. I would usually recommend couple counselling, and maybe it will work for you? It would never work for me, I would be ending my relationship with him in your place.

None of this is remotely healthy. The spy cameras, the invasion of your privacy. Nope, the trust is gone and I am sorry because I don't know how you come back from this. Flowers

Fairylights25 · 26/11/2021 08:48

And I am not sure looking for outside support can be considered an EA either. I think were in an awful place, and given what has happened who can blame you for seeking help and support? Your part of this is tiny in comparison to what he has done, and continues to do.

You would be better off in a place of your own, starting again, rather than carrying on as you are. The resentment and bitterness will eventually eat away at both of you, and create a horrible living environment for your children.

Monalotmoore · 26/11/2021 08:49

@Fairylights25

Your message actually made me feel queasy, no wonder your sex life has died off, this is not what I would consider at all in the realms of normal sexual behaviour.

How can you even verify he did with an ex?
My biggest concern would be that he is gay, and is deceiving you. It would be my immediate thought in your position and there is nothing I could do to bring back an attraction to a man that felt was okay to do that in our shower in the middle of the night. I would usually recommend couple counselling, and maybe it will work for you? It would never work for me, I would be ending my relationship with him in your place.

None of this is remotely healthy. The spy cameras, the invasion of your privacy. Nope, the trust is gone and I am sorry because I don't know how you come back from this. Flowers

So men only like anal stimulation if they are gay? You've shown a glaring lack of understanding with that comment. You might be surprised how many straight men are into this sort of thing that you never hear about, and the reason you never hear about it is because they are too ashamed to admit they enjoy it in case people assume they are gay. Believe me, this isn't about sexuality. The fact his ex did it with him should be a clue. It's about submission and wanting to be dominated in a relationship.
Juniper68 · 26/11/2021 08:51

This can't be salvaged. You need to plan leaving. Take all the advice given. There is help out there.

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