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Partner has no respect for my sexual boundaries

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angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 08:01

I'm so angry and upset. NC for this but regular poster.

I'm sorry this is quite long and some graphic descriptions of sexual nature so please don't read on if this isn't for you.

Partner and I have 7 month baby, things have been v stressful since baby was born, no time for each other etc. We've been working on it.

We very rarely have sex, it's just impossible to find the time or energy, both always exhausted. I'd say we have sex once every 2-3 weeks since baby's birth, it used to be every other day or at least 4 times a week so I understand his frustration. I also feel differently now, hate my body how it's changed so much (used to be slim and toned now have larger tummy and thighs), and also I just don't have much libido anymore.

Anyway last night we were kissing in bed etc and I said I wanted to try and have sex. I was very clear it had to be with a condom or nothing (I'm not on any birth control at the moment and definitely don't want another baby yet), and I also said I need you to be gentle and careful. He agreed. He then proceeded to be quite rough with his fingers, I had to remind him twice please be gentle that hurts. Then he attempted to penetrate me without the condom on, I said what are you doing, he said I wanted to "feel you" - I said again, no we need to take this seriously as I don't want to end up pregnant again. He seemed to accept that but the rest of the foreplay seemed half hearted so I felt he wasn't interested and was impatient to get to the "main event". He kept pushing to penetrate me (more with his body language than anything). I felt under pressure. He also had his hand on my throat at one point - I removed it but didn't say anything to him. After some foreplay I said ok we can do it now - he then entered me quite aggressively from behind without a condom (I didn't realise at this point he didn't have one on). I was so taken aback by how rough it was, I didn't know what to say or do, it hurt so much. He was being very aggressive, I tried to get up on my knees to stop the pain but I couldn't. I have no idea why I didn't just say stop, but I was in shock with it. Then he said he was going to ejaculate on my bum - I suddenly realised there was no condom. I started to cry and pull away from him then I just left the bed sat in the bathroom and cried.

Afterwards I said how hurt and angry I was that he has no respect for my boundaries. He claimed it was "hard to remember" to use a condom because we never used to before the baby. I think this is a ridiculous excuse, I said several times please use one. With regard to being rough with me, he said "I thought you wanted rough sex" (not sure how, I'd said several times during foreplay, please be gentle).

This morning he's making me feel like I've done something wrong. I said technically he had raped me by penetrating me against my consent without a condom - he got annoyed when I used that word and said "fine we aren't having sex ever again if you're going accuse me of that - from now on this is a sexless relationship and I'll stay just for the baby".

I'm so confused about the whole thing. Did he rape me? Should I have spoken up sooner and said stop when it hurt? I just can't make sense of any of it and I don't want him anywhere near me anymore. Sad

OP posts:
YukoandHiro · 06/11/2021 19:49

Echo @youvegottenminuteslynn - the BFN is more accurate source on feeding and medicine safety than GPs or pharmacists. The drugs in breastmilk service is overseen by a pharmacist whose specialism (and phd) is in feeding safety and drugs in milk.

Justilou1 · 06/11/2021 19:52

@angryandscared1 - honestly darling, your friends will be more upset if you don’t confide in them. I promise this is true.

uhohspaghettiohh · 06/11/2021 19:57

Tell your parents. I am sure they'd be straight in the car to come and get you. He's a horrible, despicable human. You and your baby deserve better Thanks

crankysaurus · 06/11/2021 20:03

Seeking help from your friends and family in your time of need is not being a burden. I'm sorry you're going through all of this Flowers

Silenceisgolden20 · 06/11/2021 20:05

I think people should stop telling the OP what to do and be supportive but she needs real life friends. Not all parents would drive 6 hours, not everyone has parents like that.

sanityisamyth · 06/11/2021 20:14

@angryandscared1

Oh I didn't realise it was out of date. The pharmacist said I couldn't feed her. I'll just take it and feed her then if it's definitely safe?

Which MAP were you given?

dresstokillmytime · 06/11/2021 20:17

@angryandscared1

People asking about my friend, she has small children and I wouldn't want to bother her with this, she's got a lot going on too. I don't want to burden people.
Please believe me op, no matter what was going on for me I would absolutely want to be there for you in whatever way I could at the moment and I'm sure you're friend would too.
angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 20:26

Can someone please help me with the definition of "stealthing". I've looked it up and it says removal of or deliberately damaging condom. He didn't do either of these, he just never put it on in the first place. Now I'm doubting there was an offence Confused My head won't stop spinning. I'm googling all sorts of stuff.

OP posts:
angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 20:27

I was given a pill called levonorgestrel for those asking

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nomorefrogs · 06/11/2021 20:30

I think the idea of stealthing is a bit of a red herring. You consented to sex with a condom and as he entered you from behind you were not aware that he had breached your trust by not using protection until he alerted you to this. Ergo rape.

sanityisamyth · 06/11/2021 20:32

@angryandscared1

I was given a pill called levonorgestrel for those asking
According to the BNF (pharmacists bible) it doesn't affect feeding but this is what the patient information leaflet says:

"Breast-feeding
The active ingredient of this medicine is excreted into your breast milk.Therefore, it is suggested that you take your tablet immediately after a breast-feeding and avoid nursing at least 8 hours following levonorgestrel administration then drain your milk with a breast pump for 8 hours following tablet taking. In this way you are taking your tablet well before the next feed and reducing the amount of active ingredient your baby may take in with the breast milk."

Partner has no respect for my sexual boundaries
WonderfulYou · 06/11/2021 20:34

Unless you are planning to go to the police then the terminology is irrelevant- he disrespected and violated you and did things you didn’t want to do.

I would say stealthing is any form of implying that he’s wearing a condom and he’s not, whether that’s the entire time or just towards the end.
However if you are planning on reporting him to the police for this it may be difficult to prove.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 06/11/2021 20:36

This is a case where the phrase 'conditional consent' is vital. You consented to having sex on the condition that a condom would be used. That condition was clear to him.

He disregarded the condition, knowing that it meant your consent was therefore been withdrawn.

Conditional consent is a really important phrase in law that has been a bit overshadowed by the word 'stealthing' which has been often described as the specific act of a condom being worn then secretly removed.

I'm so sorry OP, he is a disgusting pig. You sound so lovely, I really hope you can reach out to some people IRL as well as posting on here if it's helping Thanks

youvegottenminuteslynn · 06/11/2021 20:37

That was meant to say:

He disregarded the condition, knowing that it meant your consent would therefore have been withdrawn.

Krisjongun1 · 06/11/2021 20:40

So sorry this happened, can you go to the police ?

AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2021 20:53

@angryandscared1

Can someone please help me with the definition of "stealthing". I've looked it up and it says removal of or deliberately damaging condom. He didn't do either of these, he just never put it on in the first place. Now I'm doubting there was an offence Confused My head won't stop spinning. I'm googling all sorts of stuff.
Stop googling. You know what he did was wrong and without your consent. That's all you need to know right now. Trying to figure out the 'legalities' right now is diverting you from thinking and making the decisions you need to make before he comes back. Because he will come back and if at all possible you shouldn't be there when he does. Not necessarily for fear of further injury, but because he's going to justify himself and gaslight you until you don't know which end is up anymore. So many of us (myself included) have been where you are and we know what a 'dead end' it is. It will not EVER get better.

Please, as I and others have urged, call your family. Even if they aren't in a position to come get you tonight you will get emotional support and love from them to help bolster your confidence that what happened to you was unquestionably wrong and in no way your fault. You don't have to call all of them, just pick ONE that you trust to keep your confidence and confide in them. You don't have to get into the details, if they love you they'll listen and not ask questions. Just tell them that your 'P' (not 'D' any more) has become abusive and you need to talk and get some support. Please, do this for yourself and your baby.

As far as your friend, if one of my friends called me and told me what happened to you had happened to them I would tell them to get over here, even if I had to bed them down on the living room floor. Call her. Again, if for some reason she can't give you houseroom, at least she can support you emotionally.

Don't try to do this alone. And please don't try to 'understand' him or what he did. What he did was abhorrent and there is no understanding him or it.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 06/11/2021 20:55

Sorry this has happened to you OP

Look at his reactions now though - he's not remotely sorry.

You'll be fine with just you and the baby btw - please consider leaving him for your future safety.

EarthSight · 06/11/2021 20:58

@angryandscared1

Can someone please help me with the definition of "stealthing". I've looked it up and it says removal of or deliberately damaging condom. He didn't do either of these, he just never put it on in the first place. Now I'm doubting there was an offence Confused My head won't stop spinning. I'm googling all sorts of stuff.
Cart before the horse.

Worry about definitions later. You're not going to process all of that in such a short period of time. At the very least your partner has been sexually abusive. How would you feel and what would you think if a friend has experienced what you have??

Call Women's Aid. Call the police. Tell a friend. Try to stay somewhere else.

LovePoppy · 06/11/2021 21:01

@angryandscared1

I threatened the police. He said do you do that and I promise you'll never see me again.
Good!! Best case scenario

Do not let him shame you. You’re better without him

angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 21:13

@youvegottenminuteslynn

This is a case where the phrase 'conditional consent' is vital. You consented to having sex on the condition that a condom would be used. That condition was clear to him.

He disregarded the condition, knowing that it meant your consent was therefore been withdrawn.

Conditional consent is a really important phrase in law that has been a bit overshadowed by the word 'stealthing' which has been often described as the specific act of a condom being worn then secretly removed.

I'm so sorry OP, he is a disgusting pig. You sound so lovely, I really hope you can reach out to some people IRL as well as posting on here if it's helping Thanks

Thank you this explanation helps.

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BeyondShrinks · 06/11/2021 21:27

www.breastfeedingnetwork.org.uk/ehc/

"Levonelle® (levonorgestrel) was licensed to be given to women during breastfeeding. However the patient information leaflet in the packet now suggests that women should not breastfeed for 8 hours. This is not supported by research and breastfeeding can continue as normal."

"In a cohort study of 71 women who took levonorgestrel as a postcoital contraceptive no obvious decrease in milk supply was found after the drug was used according to maternal reports. 75% of mothers re-initiated breastfeeding before 8 hours after the dose. None noticed any adverse effect in their infants (Polakow-Farkash 2013). One study demonstrated that levonorgestrel passes into breastmilk but in minimal quantities (Jatlaoui 2016). Polakow-Farkash reports that the study findings support the safety of using levonorgestrel as an emergency contraceptive during lactation without the need for withholding breastfeeding."

ChristmasGrogu · 06/11/2021 21:32

@angryandscared1 I’ve just asked a police officer for you, they said this is the definition of rape, just the lack of condom, let alone the rest. That if where you live is the same force as where he works, it would likely automatically be dealt with by a Sargent or above, that it is okay to report it and the sexual assault unit would deal with it, no one who works with him would be involved. They said you should report it if that’s what you want to do and don’t let where he works stop you doing that.
Also please tell or at least go and stay with a friend or family x

BellyMelly · 06/11/2021 21:44

What @ChargingBuck said. Never. Ever. Feel guilty about a man's actions based on the amount of sex he feels he is getting. EVER.

Bellringer · 06/11/2021 21:45

Op you are in denial. This did happen. You need to get him out or leave.
Please contact someone, get away so you can think, there will be help from women's aid, maybe your council, your family. You can do this.