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Partner has no respect for my sexual boundaries

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angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 08:01

I'm so angry and upset. NC for this but regular poster.

I'm sorry this is quite long and some graphic descriptions of sexual nature so please don't read on if this isn't for you.

Partner and I have 7 month baby, things have been v stressful since baby was born, no time for each other etc. We've been working on it.

We very rarely have sex, it's just impossible to find the time or energy, both always exhausted. I'd say we have sex once every 2-3 weeks since baby's birth, it used to be every other day or at least 4 times a week so I understand his frustration. I also feel differently now, hate my body how it's changed so much (used to be slim and toned now have larger tummy and thighs), and also I just don't have much libido anymore.

Anyway last night we were kissing in bed etc and I said I wanted to try and have sex. I was very clear it had to be with a condom or nothing (I'm not on any birth control at the moment and definitely don't want another baby yet), and I also said I need you to be gentle and careful. He agreed. He then proceeded to be quite rough with his fingers, I had to remind him twice please be gentle that hurts. Then he attempted to penetrate me without the condom on, I said what are you doing, he said I wanted to "feel you" - I said again, no we need to take this seriously as I don't want to end up pregnant again. He seemed to accept that but the rest of the foreplay seemed half hearted so I felt he wasn't interested and was impatient to get to the "main event". He kept pushing to penetrate me (more with his body language than anything). I felt under pressure. He also had his hand on my throat at one point - I removed it but didn't say anything to him. After some foreplay I said ok we can do it now - he then entered me quite aggressively from behind without a condom (I didn't realise at this point he didn't have one on). I was so taken aback by how rough it was, I didn't know what to say or do, it hurt so much. He was being very aggressive, I tried to get up on my knees to stop the pain but I couldn't. I have no idea why I didn't just say stop, but I was in shock with it. Then he said he was going to ejaculate on my bum - I suddenly realised there was no condom. I started to cry and pull away from him then I just left the bed sat in the bathroom and cried.

Afterwards I said how hurt and angry I was that he has no respect for my boundaries. He claimed it was "hard to remember" to use a condom because we never used to before the baby. I think this is a ridiculous excuse, I said several times please use one. With regard to being rough with me, he said "I thought you wanted rough sex" (not sure how, I'd said several times during foreplay, please be gentle).

This morning he's making me feel like I've done something wrong. I said technically he had raped me by penetrating me against my consent without a condom - he got annoyed when I used that word and said "fine we aren't having sex ever again if you're going accuse me of that - from now on this is a sexless relationship and I'll stay just for the baby".

I'm so confused about the whole thing. Did he rape me? Should I have spoken up sooner and said stop when it hurt? I just can't make sense of any of it and I don't want him anywhere near me anymore. Sad

OP posts:
myheartskippedabeat · 06/11/2021 15:08

This is rape
Please leave the house with your baby and report it to the police

Why on earth do you want to be with someone this vile???

You and your baby deserve better

Tilltheend99 · 06/11/2021 15:14

Yes you are correct. It’s rape to decide not to use a condom without your consent.

I think things could get dangerous with him as he put his hands on your neck too. He might not remove them next time just as he didn’t respect your other boundaries.

Sorry op Flowers

itsallgoingpearshaped · 06/11/2021 15:18

OP, that is considered rape.

You made the conditions clear, especially the condom, and he refused to put one on. That is rape under the law.

I'd tell him to get the fuck out of your home and your life.

Would you want your child treated in such a manner?

WonderfulYou · 06/11/2021 15:19

Because he helps with the baby. I know that sounds pathetic. But I find it really hard on my own.

How do you know you find it hard on your own?

If you stay he knows that he can now do whatever he wants because you can’t cope on your own.

Be strong and independent.
Being a good role model to your child sometimes means making hard decisions.

Orchid876 · 06/11/2021 15:21

I'm so sorry this happened to you OP. You can't stay in this relationship, it will be harder to stay than to leave. If you think about this logically, is help with the baby worth the threat of sexual violence? You can get help with your baby in otter ways. You say you have a good job, so can you pay for domestic help and childcare? Even if it makes things a bit tight for a while, surely getting out of a sexual relationship like this is worth it? You can do this on your own OP, it's scary now because you're in shock, but you can do it. Good luck.

Hightechlowbudget · 06/11/2021 15:30

I am so sorry this has happened to you, your message was very hard to read.
The thing that would convince me to end it, is do you want this to continue. Because if you don't stop it now that is what you are signing up for for the rest of your marriage. You are clearly frightened of him, and he won't change if you stay. Leave him while you have the chance. You can use the threat of reporting it to make him go.
Be strong, I really feel for you but you have to address it or face a life of fear and misery.

PaperDreamsHoney · 06/11/2021 15:30

I've been in a similar situation where I wasn't safe but feared I couldn't cope on my own. I did leave, and I am coping - it's bloody hard, but at least I'm safe. You deserve to be safe too. It feels really daunting at first, but you do adapt and it gets easier.

Redruby2020 · 06/11/2021 15:32

@angryandscared1

Also the hand on the throat thing, he's down this a few times in the past over the years, I've said before I hate that please don't. He said he gets "carried away in the moment". Confused
This is a form of abuse, amongst the rest of what else he does. You've stated in another post, all of the things he does or has done in the past, and telling yourself that you have told him to stop or that you don't like things, doesn't work does it. It seems that he has already been abusive and this will continue, and seems that it will get worse now you have had a baby together. I have been in that position and I know all the reasons we don't want to see anything bad happen to them etc etc. But this will only escalate. I get quite angry that there are so many of us women willing to suffer this, and more so those of us with kids! Please speak to someone as suggested, Women’s Aid etc, they will be a great help!
RandomMess · 06/11/2021 15:35

He is slowly but surely eroding your boundaries.

You asked him to be gentle, you told him it hurt but he carried on, you have told him not to choke hold you every time but he still did it.

QueeniesCroft · 06/11/2021 15:38

I listened to a crime podcast earlier today, and heard an expert in this field say that once there has been an incident of choking, it becomes seven times more likely that the person doing the choking will kill the victim of the choking. Seven times.

Also, I wasn't going to tell you this (and will probably delete my account shortly because of it) but my husband raped me and I stayed. I stayed because I absolutely cannot risk my sons ever finding out that their mother was raped by their father, I just can't be responsible for that kind of damage to my children.

Every day a little bit more of me dies. He is sorry for what he did, but he repels me.I have tried to understand why he did it, and I have fought against every instinct I have to forgive him. I failed at that, too. It's always there, always havering in the background. There is truly no peace from it. Sometimes we have sex because I don't want to be raped again, but it is utterly mechanical and joyless. I made the wrong decision for the right reasons, but it is slowly killing me. Don't be me. Be wiser than I was.

It took me a full day to realise that I had been raped (in the sense of actually calling it that). That happens to other people, right? Wrong. Then I cried for three days straight. I wish now that I had had someone to tell, who would listen and help me. My husband is a pillar of the community, known to be a devoted husband. He still raped me though, and I will still never be able to forgive him for it. This is no way to live.

Lemor · 06/11/2021 15:40

Anyone who doesn't respect your sexual boundaries doesn't respect you.

No need for anything else to be said on the matter.

At least the OP is aware of what her sexual boundaries are.

Lots of people aren't and are just led down a path of degradation Sad. Its really good to know what we like and find positive and nurtures us, and what doesn't, I think. Any 'ew' factor is usually a flag.

KurtWilde · 06/11/2021 15:43

OP is conflicted. The last thing she needs is people saying 'you have to do xyz' - as well meaning as it is - some of you need to back off with the vitriol and give OP some thinking room.

Yes, we're all angry on her behalf, but some of these responses will be upsetting to read for someone who's already in a vulnerable state.

Better to support OP with what's actually happened NOW rather than project what her DP might do in the future.

itsallgoingpearshaped · 06/11/2021 15:47

@angryandscared1

I'm so overwhelmed by all the replies but I promise I'm still here reading them. I didn't get much sleep last night so just dozing in between reading and crying. Baby is sleeping thankfully as I need some headspace at the moment. I can't process it all to be honest. I can see that most of you class this as rape. That word made him so angry though I'm scared to say it again out loud to him. It's as though I'm in the wrong for saying it. I'm terrified to be alone with the baby as I don't know how I'd manage (he is a good dad despite all this and he helps out with the baby etc). I'm scared I wouldn't cope alone. Also he is in the police. I think reporting him would cost him his job. I don't want to do that to him. I am so torn and just feel violated and confused.
Call Women's Aid. Get help leaving safely.

And he should lose his job. He should know what rape is and be arresting people for it when they commit it, not committing it himself!

Please get help.

angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 15:48

He's now saying he regrets every time he's had sex with me and he's shouting at me

OP posts:
ChargingBuck · 06/11/2021 15:50

Can you just go out? Take baby & go to a chemist, or your friend's?

You've done nothing wrong here OP. You don't deserve to be shouted at. You don't need to stay & put up with it.

itsallgoingpearshaped · 06/11/2021 15:50

@angryandscared1

He's now saying he regrets every time he's had sex with me and he's shouting at me
Of course he is! He's clocked that you've clocked you've been raped and abused by someone who is supposed to be looking out for you, not hurting and threatening you.

Please get help in leaving him.

Would you want your child to stay in a relationship like this?

Geppili · 06/11/2021 15:51

So sorry you are going through this. It breaks my heart to know that he is shouting at you now. Do you have someone in RL to come to be with you? I would never trust him again. You need tome and space and support. Thanks

Isthatthebestyoucando · 06/11/2021 15:52

He's training you to STFU about his abuse. He must have thought you would swallow your feelings and not make a fuss.

MondayYogurt · 06/11/2021 15:53

He's escalated again. It is time to leave before he does worse.
Your family need to know.

hereorhome · 06/11/2021 15:55

Can you go to a friend's op, or your parents? Sorry haven't read the full thread so not sure if you have family close by, but you need to get out, at least for this evening/tonight. With dc, obviously.
Not much comfort, I know, but his current behaviour can only reinforce what a nasty piece of work he is.
Keep safe and be strong.

FallonCarringtonWannabe · 06/11/2021 15:56

You poor woman. Ive nothing worthwhile to add i just wanted to add support. Get out fast Flowers

Yogawankonobi · 06/11/2021 15:58

Can you go to a friends?

I would have a low threshold on calling the police.

FallonCarringtonWannabe · 06/11/2021 15:58

he helps with the baby. I know that sounds pathetic. But I find it really hard on my own

I understand this. Babies are hard. But dealing with a baby and a bastard of a man you are not safe with will be more difficult.

FallonCarringtonWannabe · 06/11/2021 16:03

Also the hand on the throat thing, he's down this a few times in the past over the years, I've said before I hate that please don't. He said he gets "carried away in the moment"

this made me run cold. He is in the police. Be will be fully aware men use this as an excuse for murdering their partners.

I honestly believe he could be a very dangerous individual after reading all your posts.

How did it go with rape crisis?

SuperDup3r · 06/11/2021 16:04

Have you got anyone you can talk to in real life about this? Although MN can be very helpful, it can also maybe encourage you to do things you don't yet want to do.

So my advice would be to find some real life support alongside MN.

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