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Wife no longer loves me

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Sw05 · 26/10/2021 19:44

Hi, I get this is for mums but from a male point of view I need a different perspective on this. My wife no longer wants to be with me as a couple but wants me to stay at the family home to keep some sort of family normality. It’s breaking my heart and I tried a few weeks ago to take an overdose as I can’t bear to not be with my wife who I love more than life itself and adore her. Before this situation was told to me I’d been sleeping on the sofa for the past 5 years because my wife enjoys her sleep and because she goes to bed really early I tend to stay up late as I’m not a great sleeper so I agreed to sleep on the sofa. Obviously there no sex, passion cuddles or kisses and it has for the last five years been so difficult and frustration has set in. I don’t push for affection or intermarry as my wife shuts down and say she feels pressured so I have avoided the issue to do as she wishes. Some stuff has gone on at work and I’ve been falsely accused of something which I know nothing about, now my wife says there’s no trust and she can’t carry on our relationship anymore. I’m completely devastated and have now become so depressed and so low. I wake up and within minutes I’m in tears, my wife is my best friend and my soulmate and as I said I totally love and adore her but it’s only ever been 1 way, she finds it difficult to show her love and affection towards me and it breaks my heart thinking we won’t be together anymore. I’m now on antidepressants, I never thought I could feel this low, all I’ve ever wanted was to be with my wife and live a long and happy life with the woman I love I thought I had everything but in 4 weeks I’ve gone from being happy, loving my job have a wife who I’m proud to be with to now rock bottom and alone depressed, upset,alone and worthless. I just don't know what to do anymore. I’ve given her space and she is away at the moment with my daughter. On a short break just the 2 of them (this break was booked before all this happened) Sorry this is a long message BUT I’m just reaching out for anyone who can help.
Thank you

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BillMasen · 28/10/2021 09:09

Mate it sounds like you’re really struggling and I feel for you. You’ve had some good advice and I agree with most of it that you should look to move on, split up, start looking after yourself.

I know it’s hard. I’m divorced and not seeing my kids every day is that hardest thing, but having my own life, being happier, is a massive thing. Yes it’s a tough time and a hard thing to do, but reading your posts it’s clear you’ve reached the end of the road with your marriage.

You can do it. Split up, sell the house, each move on and start living for yourself.

Good luck

JustKittenAround · 28/10/2021 09:22

@Sw05

Im not begging her to make this work and as for someone else out there I’m done with relationships. I’m never putting myself into any relationship why waste anymore of my life trying to please someone else when I get hurt in the end. 22 years we been together and she can turn her back on me just like that. No I’m not wanting another partner EVER my wife was my only partner and no one else will take her place so guess I’m on my own from now on
OK then.

You’re all emotional right now. You’re facing the facts many of us have to,. You’re not special or unique in your situation, you might want to look into that. You can be sad but get ahold of yourself and keep your dignity,

Also I agree, you aren’t ready for a new partner right now, Hell, even if you wanted to you’d be left in the cold. You’re feeling so afraid and sad being on your own and nobody wants someone who can’t stand on their own. Stop acting like the idea of a new partner is a given. Get your head right.

You were done dirty like the majority on here. Now… what are you going to do? Be a mess? Be strong? Make people feel pity? Or be admired?

Unlike how she feels about you, you’re in control of how you behave. Feel your sadness now but I swear to you with my whole heart, you need to nut up and get right.. she will be shocked when you aren’t the mess. Ball up, you need will be surprised of what you’re capable of.

You got weak as many of have. Nobody of worth is going to check for you right now. You need to reclaim yourself.

Elieza · 28/10/2021 09:22

My parents were together for 24 years. They started off the traditional way. The husband worked. The wife stayed at home and looked after the children. My mum got bored. She’d been a skilled clerical worker. She had no life stuck in the house cooking and cleaning. And expected to do childcare in evenings with basically no time off. He came home sat down and didn’t do childcare in the evening or during the night. She got no break.

My dad didn’t bring in enough money to do much. So my mum got a part time job. But my dad still expected (metaphorically) to have his pipe and slippers handed to him and be waited on hand and foot by a woman who was knackered.

This, combined with hormonal changes, meant my mum wasn’t really interested. She didn’t feel the way she used to. She felt like a skivvy. She just looked after him as though he was another child. Making his dinner doing his washings. The pay packet he brought in was the only difference between him and a child!

He loved her very much. But didn’t see she was no longer happy as she ‘just got on’ with things stoically. Eventually she just had enough. She wanted to look after him and stay in the family home but he wouldn’t accept that their relationship was over. She just saw him as a loved family member. But not loved in the way they’d started out. Things just changed over the years.

Perhaps that’s like your relationship?

My dad was devastated as he didn’t think they’d ever be apart and he married for life.

He had suicidal thoughts but felt he couldn’t as he was a dad and parents didn’t have that option as they had to be there for their children until they were at least married and settled. So he cried and got anti depressants. If counselling was around in those days he’d have gone for it. But it wasn’t. They divorced and went their separate ways. I got closer to my dad which was nice. I stayed with him. And it was fine. He learned to cook and gradually became himself again.

He joined a walking club, bowling club, and enjoyed his bird watching and bus tours of Scotland (not recommended during covid nowadays though) and he came out of his shell through these groups and the nice people he met helped him smile again. He met another woman in his 50s and although he chose to never marry again, they lived together for over 20 years.

I don’t know if that could be similar to you and gives you hope that, if you decide to, you can get out and about and be happy again. In due course. If you choose to.

Deal with your health and job first. And then your family situation (it seems like nothings changed there in five years so it’s nothing new).

I note you have not responded to any of us asking about your job and if you’ve been to the union or acas. So I presume that you’ve given up on that. Don’t give up until you have spoken to them. You may have been unfairly dismissed. There may be hope of getting your job back or thousands of pounds of compensation. I don’t know how much time you have to get the ball rolling. If you speak to them you can find out. I know you’re not well and it’s daunting. But it could make a significant difference to you.

Sw05 · 01/11/2021 17:37

Hi all, sorry I’ve not responded to any messages but I’ve been a complete mess. I’ll answer each comment in turn so apologies if this is a long reply. I wouldn’t go near another relationship not now or ever if I’m honest, I’ve been devastated the last month and it’s almost killed me (literally), as for most replies moving on I can’t firstly yes it’s because I’m a mess and secondly I cannot afford to move to my own place because I’m still responsible for half the mortgage. My wife has said she doesn’t want me to move out and wants to try and keep some normality for our daughter who obviously knows something is going on. As for nut up yes your right I should and hopefully I will. As for the second comment not sure how to reply to that as we both work full time and have shared most things, she said to me today that she has had enough and I can’t give her what she wants anymore (but how am I to know if she never said anything to me?). Also yes I thought we would be together forever, only in July she wrote in a Father’s Day card that I was the best husband and father and that I show her what love is as well as a few other things. I cut it out of the card and carried it with me in my wallet (what a load of bollocks that was). As for my job I’m still waiting to see what the end result is as it’s still under investigation for something I had no idea about. I’ve contacted ACAS but they can’t do anything until which I hope doesn’t happen get fired. I’m not in any union so that was a no go, yes if I get sacked I will be going for unfair dismissal. We had a talk this morning and she said that we are over, I am devastated beyond words as I did hope we could at least try and sort out the mess. So once again sorry I’ve not been back on with an update but having talks with councillors and occ health as well as dr’s it’s been a very emotional few weeks. Cheers

OP posts:
Sw05 · 01/11/2021 17:42

P.S my wife won’t even think about selling the house so as we have a child I don’t have a leg to stand on.

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Sarahlou63 · 01/11/2021 17:46

@Sw05

P.S my wife won’t even think about selling the house so as we have a child I don’t have a leg to stand on.
It's not up to your wife, the house is a joint asset of the marriage and may need to be sold if she's not able to buy you out.

You have two legs. Stand up and use them to walk into a solicitor's office. (Metaphorically - probably better to phone or email first!)

Finknottlesnewt · 01/11/2021 18:28

Stop. Ring such a pushover OP ! You do not 'need permission' to sell the house !!!! You are a JOINT OWNER !!

Get OFF the back foot, get a shot hot lawyer and get what is YOURS

Sw05 · 01/11/2021 18:36

I’ve looked into it and apparently because my daughter is still in full time education I can’t push for a sale. I’m not being a pushover but I’m also not a bully. It’s hard to hurt my wife even though she’s broke my heart. Sorry if you guys think I’m too soft but the courts apparently side with the mother and daughter.

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LindyLou2020 · 01/11/2021 18:53

@Elieza

Can you speak to acas about your work situation? Are you in the union?Is there something that can be done? You may have been unfairly dismissed if there’s no evidence you did whatever it was?

Re your wife, I don’t understand what you mean re:
“ I don’t push for affection or intermarry as my wife shuts down and say she feels pressured so I have avoided the issue to do as she wishes”.

“Intermarry” is that meant to say “intercourse”?

That sounds like she’s told you it’s over but you haven’t taken it in and you’ve asked for affection or sex or whatever in the past and she’s not up for it, possibly as she sees you more like a brother than a partner. Or because she’s got no sex drive nowadays and presumes that you’ll want that and she just isn’t interested. It could be she loves you but just doesn’t want anything intimate. That could be for a number of reasons. Women’s hormones change. That can mess us right up.

Your antidepressants should kick in over the next three weeks and should make you feel much better by week 4.

Keep speaking to a councillor as you need and the Samaritans are always available.

It’s always darkest before the dawn.

If you got your job back or a better job you could be feeling much happier soon. Then you can decide what to do regarding your relationship.

You have a child so you want to be around for them, to see them grow up etc.

It could be that things can be improved at home in due course. I’d concentrate on the job situation and the meds first as nothings really changed at home in the past five years so it’s stable. Once you’ve got your job back it a new job you can deal with the relationship side of things then.

I'm taking a guess that "intermarry" is a typo glitch, and should read "intimacy", which makes sense in Sw05's original post.
Sw05 · 01/11/2021 19:06

Yes intimacy not intercourse as I’d never push for either. All I’ve ever wanted is a happy relationship where we spend time together doing things and no I don’t mean just sex. The way my wife was talking this morning there’s no turning back, I’d give my all to make it work but I can’t force her to want it too. She did say this morning that she has never said she loves me but what is that meant to mean? I said if you do love me let’s work at whatever the problems are but I’m fighting a losing battle.

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JustKittenAround · 02/11/2021 05:32

Reclaim your worth in your own mind. Get your shit together. Gather it all up in your mind.

#1 You need to accept you should be on to the next. Let that sink in. You’re crying wet tears over a dry well. That is all you. (Nobody is checking you right now, you’re a damn mess. Don’t even pretend you have the option right now… but you should be looking to get to that place….. it’s far farrrrrrrrr from where you are now though. The sooner you wise up the sooner you’ll see I’m right)

If she is lost, let her go in your mind. Give her the gift of your indifference.

You make it easier for her to not treasure you the more you insist on not treasuring yourself. You need to believe me on this. It is aged old. Ones you start to truly nut up you’ll see. You’ll see how they change their tune.

Right now you have been devalued and discounted. Nobody wants a sorry sack. Literally nobody. It’s unattractive. PLUS it’s not you.

Get your head right. She doesn’t love you and while hurtful it’s reality. What type of person are you going to be? I hope smart. Smart is gathering yourself up. Being fine on your own and accepting it. Again, if you’re not fine on your own you’ll never be attractive to ANYONE of worth. It’s gross.

Look at what you have now. Don’t let someone else dictate your worth. . Try being confident of your own value on for size. Stop asking her to work things out. She said NO. Every time you simper and beg (it’s what you’re doing like it or not) you send her recoiling … if you can’t gather up the discipline for that then go ahead and be broken. It’s up to you.

I’m being harsh, but damn. This advice will save you longtime pain. Each time you simper to work things out after being told no, is a time you push her even further away. I want you to get to a place where she will come begging but you’ll already be healed. It’s up to you.

Sw05 · 02/11/2021 08:09

Fuck me that was harsh. Not sure if you still hurting from a relationship but that was tough to read. U was only told yesterday give me a chance to get my head around it first before going at it like you said. Yes I know it’s over, yes it’s devastating, no I don’t give two hoots about another woman so not interested who out there. I can’t move out as I have nowhere to go and cannot afford my own place.

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BIWI · 02/11/2021 09:31

Sorry, but I agree with @JustKittenAround. Your situation is sad and hard but you now have to pick yourself up and do something about it.

JustAnother0ldMan · 02/11/2021 10:07

@Sw05
Sorry mate, sounds like you are in a bad place right now, but @JustKittenAround is right, you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself and get a grip on life.
If you are a co owner of the house, your wife and children may well be able to stay in it, but YOU will still have a financial interest in it, so keep that in mind.
Yes you might have to live in the same house for a while, but as others say you need to get your head (and money), in order and get off to see a solicitor pronto.
And finally, forget about anything your wife says, you need to think of her as the mother of your child now and not your friend anymore, that’s a big mental step.
One foot in front of the other, deal with the most important issue 1st, make a list or a brain dump if you have to, take care.
Drop me a PM if you need someone to talk to
Take care of yourself, eat well, sleep a lot and don’t drink 🚱

Sw05 · 02/11/2021 10:29

[quote JustAnother0ldMan]@Sw05
Sorry mate, sounds like you are in a bad place right now, but @JustKittenAround is right, you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself and get a grip on life.
If you are a co owner of the house, your wife and children may well be able to stay in it, but YOU will still have a financial interest in it, so keep that in mind.
Yes you might have to live in the same house for a while, but as others say you need to get your head (and money), in order and get off to see a solicitor pronto.
And finally, forget about anything your wife says, you need to think of her as the mother of your child now and not your friend anymore, that’s a big mental step.
One foot in front of the other, deal with the most important issue 1st, make a list or a brain dump if you have to, take care.
Drop me a PM if you need someone to talk to
Take care of yourself, eat well, sleep a lot and don’t drink 🚱[/quote]
It’s hard very hard to come to terms with, suppose I’m grieving at the moment and yes it does feel like my world has ended. The amount of stress I am under at the moment is just too much to deal with. I tried 3 weeks ago to take an overdose but when I started hallucinating I got scared. I don’t have any savings and most of what wages I get goes into the house. Thanks for your comments and thanks for the offer to pm you, I will keep it in mind cheers oh and I don’t drink anyway

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Opentooffers · 02/11/2021 10:39

You're feeling shocked as it's only been a few weeks to your mind. But the writing has been on the wall for the past 5 years and you have been sleepwalking into a situation that was inevitable and ignoring all the bad signs for a long time, because you haven't wanted to accept it.
The thing is, there is a fine line between love and obsession, and you have put your wife on a big pedastle. It can be seen that you have been the kind of guy who has tipped over into the needy, obsessive side rather than being a person who has some self respect. This is shown by being treated so coldly for 5 years, in effect accepting crumbs off her, and still thinking she is wonderful and continuing to support her and put up with it all.

Fact is, when someone you are with, sees that you are a person who doesn't respect themselves, they lose respect for you too. It's not attractive, you maybe had a chance to address the issues 5 years ago, but not now, that ship has sailed.
To move on, you need to start caring for yourself, develop your own self worth. It's good you don't want anyone else, because you need time on your own to find yourself. Your problem has been that you have given someone else total control over your self-worth, you've not developed as an individual, you probably got together too young, before you'd had a chance to tread your own path a bit. It's late on in life for you, but everyone should take time to work out who they are in themselves, before embarking on a relationship.
Enough of the excuses not to leave, there will be a way. You both work, and have 1 DC between you, and your wife and DD have just afforded to go on holiday. So, there is money, I'd of thought that you would of had some savings and investments by now after 22years together, so use that. You are entitled to half of what you've saved over the past 22years - that includes whatever savings your wife has, works both ways being married. You need to get out now. That your DD is in her final school year, is just you looking for excuses not to go, just like you've used one excuse after another for years. Were you thinking of her when you took an OD? Do you think that would of really helped your DD any? Were you thinking of anyone else at all are too wrapped up in your own pain?
You've done enough wallowing in self-pity, it's time to help yourself and start functioning better, and that won't start happening until you move out. In the long run, it will be better for your DD, and yourself, and there is a chance your wife may realise that you had some value when you've gone.

Opentooffers · 02/11/2021 10:50

If after 22years, there are no savings between you, and still most of your wages are going on a mortgage, I'm surprised a bank allowed you to borrow so heavily, because that shows you have bitten off more than you can chew by having this house and not lived within your means. You're wife may not want to sell, but if the income between you both can't support you both, then that needs to happen. See a solicitor for advice further on this asap, googling is not going to give you an effective answer to a complex situation.

Sw05 · 02/11/2021 10:52

[quote Tittyfilarious81]@Sw05 I'm sorry you feel like this op you mentioned in your post that there has been no intamacy or sex for 5 years did this stop suddenly or just gradually decline ?[/quote]
Gradually

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JustAnother0ldMan · 02/11/2021 11:05

@Sw05

P.S my wife won’t even think about selling the house so as we have a child I don’t have a leg to stand on.
Sorry but this is just bollocks, your house (and all assets you both have), are JOINT assets, I didn’t realise your daughter was older, I thought she was quiet young, You are actually in quite a strong position, stay in the house, get a divorce and your wife almost certainly have to sell if she cannot afford to buy you out, you may have to wait for a financial settlement

No fault divorce comes into law next year
www.nelsonslaw.co.uk/no-fault-divorce-laws/

Read up on it and get some plans in place mentally.

LouReading · 02/11/2021 13:09

What's the actual reason your wife doesn't want to be with you anymore 'as a couple' ?

Sorry but it sounds like she wants to keep and eat her cake at the same time. She wants you in the house but she doesn't want you as a partner? Sounds selfish. I know you say you don't want anyone else but you don't know what or who is around the corner.

Sw05 · 02/11/2021 14:24

@Opentooffers

If after 22years, there are no savings between you, and still most of your wages are going on a mortgage, I'm surprised a bank allowed you to borrow so heavily, because that shows you have bitten off more than you can chew by having this house and not lived within your means. You're wife may not want to sell, but if the income between you both can't support you both, then that needs to happen. See a solicitor for advice further on this asap, googling is not going to give you an effective answer to a complex situation.
Don’t really think our finances should be of your concern tbh plus we are not living beyond our means we can afford the mortgage thank you and where/ are in a position to pay it. I came on here not to be slagged off about money but to be able to get advice
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Sw05 · 02/11/2021 14:32

@LouReading

What's the actual reason your wife doesn't want to be with you anymore 'as a couple' ?

Sorry but it sounds like she wants to keep and eat her cake at the same time. She wants you in the house but she doesn't want you as a partner? Sounds selfish. I know you say you don't want anyone else but you don't know what or who is around the corner.

I had thought that too, if I wasn’t here it would cause a huge disruption to her job and life as well as my daughters. Being here is a way where she doesn’t have to change anything.
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Dery · 02/11/2021 15:02

"I had thought that too, if I wasn’t here it would cause a huge disruption to her job and life as well as my daughters. Being here is a way where she doesn’t have to change anything."

Yes, but being around a spouse who doesn't love you and doesn't want to be married to you is devastating for you mentally and emotionally. (It would be for me, too). You moving out would cause some disruption but couples separate. rebuild their lives and co-parent constructively all the time. It will take some work but I'm sure you can get there.

In any case, the disruption is a consequence of her decision to move out of your marriage. To say she doesn't want your marriage to continue but she expects you to remain in the family home for appearances sake is really cruel. It's not your job to smooth out all the consequences of her decision-making. It is your job to start looking after your own emotional welfare.

One of the most functional families I know is a family where the parents are separated but co-parent amicably and sensibly. That's the thing for you to aim for now, OP.

Sw05 · 02/11/2021 18:16

@Dery

"I had thought that too, if I wasn’t here it would cause a huge disruption to her job and life as well as my daughters. Being here is a way where she doesn’t have to change anything."

Yes, but being around a spouse who doesn't love you and doesn't want to be married to you is devastating for you mentally and emotionally. (It would be for me, too). You moving out would cause some disruption but couples separate. rebuild their lives and co-parent constructively all the time. It will take some work but I'm sure you can get there.

In any case, the disruption is a consequence of her decision to move out of your marriage. To say she doesn't want your marriage to continue but she expects you to remain in the family home for appearances sake is really cruel. It's not your job to smooth out all the consequences of her decision-making. It is your job to start looking after your own emotional welfare.

One of the most functional families I know is a family where the parents are separated but co-parent amicably and sensibly. That's the thing for you to aim for now, OP.

Thank you Dery, really appreciate your comments, she hasn’t yet asked for a divorce and by the way she is talking I don’t think she wants one. She just doesn’t want a relationship as man and wife, I agree with you that living here is more for her benefit as she works nights so yes me not being here would be very disruptive for our daughter (even if I had somewhere else she wouldn’t want to stay there anxiety and other issues) plus the dog. Yes I know people will say I should go but as it stands this is my only option to stay. I also know people will think I’m pathetic and that I’m letting her walk all over me but it’s just so hard to let go at the moment.
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BIWI · 02/11/2021 20:21

Yes, I'm sorry, but it is pathetic! Where is your self-esteem?! You're letting her walk all over you. It's all about what she wants. What about you?

Time to man up.