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Resent that mum never worked/had a job - causing rifts between us

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Waferbiscuit · 10/10/2021 10:19

My mother married right out of University and since then has been a SAHM/SAHW. She only ever held one job, over the summer, when she was 20 and and has never had a job since.

She has lived a very comfortable life - children at a young age, divorced but remarried quickly so no change in her financial circumstances, moderately successful husband and kids at home until they left when she was 48. Since then she has spent the last 40+ years travelling, pottering and quite frankly stretching out daily chores into the day. She is part of a weird generation of mc women who expected to be cared for and probably never expected to work.

By contrast I have worked FT since leaving University, now a single parent, still working and juggling everything.

The fact that mum has never worked means she's lived in a real bubble, and has very skewed views about public life and the world of work. This causes huge rifts between us and really affects our relationship.

  • She has very little concept of what work is like and the pressures of modern work so when I explain that I am stressed she thinks that it's my fault and I need to manage it.
  • She doesn't understand that people need to do work outside of 9-5
  • She has no real sense of what it's like to have someone instructing you/telling you what to do; she has literally been 'self guided' her entire life
  • She thinks it's easy to get a job and promotion so doesn't understand why they aren't forthcoming for me or my siblings.
  • She is deeply unproductive so thinks juggling means trying to do the dishes and laundry in the same morning and considers that 'busy-ness' to be on par with mine
  • She is very naive about money and assumes everyone is on a relatively good wage. She doesn't understand why I can't go part-time.
  • She dresses in organic frocks and proudly doesn't wear makeup or do her hair but her 'hippyness' is a privilege - she doesn't clock that other people actually have to look and dress professionally for work.
  • She doesn't help me in any way - financially or with DCs - because she's always too busy doing nothing at all, but she's 'very busy'.

I know I should be grateful that she's not working in a factory to scrape by, but her naiviety means there's an entire aspects of my life she doesn't understand and over the years it's caused real tensions. I partly resent that she doesn't get it and partly resent that she's had such an easy ride that she takes for granted or really considers her due.

Posting just to see if anyone else has the same problem and how they made peace with it.

OP posts:
Rkyii55 · 10/10/2021 16:04

[quote Coyoacan]**@HadEnoughofOtherThreads if OPS mother needed any type of care and she became not so "fit" I hope she wouldn't expect anything from OP in return

Yet another one looking for an excuse to avoid any responsability for your parents when they need care.

IMHO if you don't want to help your aged parents, don't help them but stop with this justification that they didn't do enough childcare and give you enough money.[/quote]
Hahahha talk about utter irony. So OPs mum is entitled to save.... for her nursing home potentially. OP has a family to raise single Handly how could she look after her mother round the clock without giving up her job herself with today's living cost?

It isn't just about money let me tell you!! Its the thought.

I worked in a V wealthy Jewish nursing home and it was one of the hardest jobs ever.

TiddleTaddleTat · 10/10/2021 16:08

Have only read your OP but wow! She has been blessed and loved a charmed life. No I think I would find that hard to understand tbh, and she probably doesn't understand your life either. I am amazed people live these sorts of lives having never met anyone like this.

saraclara · 10/10/2021 16:14

My grandparents had a telephone in the late 30s; my mother always had one, even when I was born in 1960. My grandparents got a TV for the coronation and a colour TV for the silver jubilee. I think my parents had one by the time I was 8 or 9. Come to think of it we also had electric lights.

My grandparents had central heating installed after the war - oil fired

Your grandparents must have been spectacularly well off. My parents (teacher and clerical) were the first in our street to have a phone, when I was about 10 (so 1965 or so). The neighbours used to come round to use it when they need to make a call. Our central heating was maybe adding the same time. And again, was a bit of a luxury. My friends didn't have it.

I think we had a tv in 1963 or so. Until then I watched 'watch with mother' only at my grandparents.

It's ridiculous to imply that a phone in the 1930s was a realistic thing for all but the very wealthy.

Gwenhwyfar · 10/10/2021 16:16

"When did washing machines & microwaves become the norm? my mum & aunt are early 70s & we had these things growing up."

My mum (70) got a washing machine in her childhood home when she was 13 so I'd think OP's DM would have had a washing machine as an adult.
Microwaves are different. We didn't have one until the 90s so I imagine a lot of people had them in the 80s, but not necessarily the 70s.

RantyAunty · 10/10/2021 16:18

Your mum was privileged.

Most women didn't go to university.

You didn't say what your grandparents did but to have allowed her to go to uni instead of taking secretarial training or factory work, and finding a husband says a lot.

She would have had a very different life if she'd have come from a poor family.

Quickly found a husband and worked in a factory job.

Your mum married well twice which made all the difference. Who knows what she put up with to keep the peace or maybe she got lucky and married one who wasn't abusive or had some addiction problem.

It would be nice if she helped you more. Have you simply asked her for financial help? I found it difficult to ask for help plus I always appeared to be holding it together so people didn't think I was struggling. I should have put my pride aside and asked.

Gwenhwyfar · 10/10/2021 16:20

"I didn't buy a dryer until I had my 2nd dc in my 30s & only had a dishwasher in my 30s too. Lots of people don't have these things now for a variety of reasons."

Yes, single or childless people often don't have dryers or dishwashers, but families tend to.

flumpettyflump · 10/10/2021 16:25

I really understand OP. My mother had a career and it's made all the difference in our relationship. She really gets the struggle and is so much more supportive than my two sisters and two sisters in
law - none of whom work outside the home. I was always proud of my mum and I still am actually as she could've been a well off non working wife.

In my opinion working gives you so much - money, stimulation, resilience, empathy.

RosesAndHellebores · 10/10/2021 16:31

@saraclara yes they were spectacularly well off but my comment was in response to an earlier one implying that these things simply didn't exist in the lives of anybody in the 20th Century. The CH was cheaper than keeping a maid to light fires and black grates and kept a large house cleaner

Gwenhwyfar · 10/10/2021 16:31

"What does she say when you point out that you manage to juggle the dishes & laundry AND fit in a 40 hour working week?"

She probably says "you're not 80 years old" FFS.

Rkyii55 · 10/10/2021 16:34

@Gwenhwyfar

"I didn't buy a dryer until I had my 2nd dc in my 30s & only had a dishwasher in my 30s too. Lots of people don't have these things now for a variety of reasons."

Yes, single or childless people often don't have dryers or dishwashers, but families tend to.

I don't think dishwashers are that common even with kids. It's what I call fancy tbh. You would need the room for a start.
Gwenhwyfar · 10/10/2021 16:40

@ILoveJamaica

As for Grandparents not helping with grandchildren, I think some of this is due to people having children later and later these days. My Mum was 23 when she had me, and I had my 2 children aged 27 & 28. So, she was a young Nanna, and could babysit with ease. My sister had children in her 40's. My Mum would babysit, but found it so much harder at 70 than she did in her 50's. I think my sister was annoyed by this, but you have to be realistic. Op's Mum is 80. How old are the Op's children? I don't think it's realistic whatsoever, to ask an 80 year old to look after children. People are allowed their dotage.
Yes and no. Younger grandparents are more able to look after children, but aren't as available as they'll still be working. Then older ones are retired, but maybe not physically or mentally able to look after small children.
RosesAndHellebores · 10/10/2021 16:46

I had a dishwasher in 1987 when I was single!

But come on the world has changed and is changing: smart TVs, apps to control heating when you are out, cctv connected to security systems, hybrid cars plugged into the drive, solar panels, key pads to unlock the front door and I think you can have finger print ones now, facial recognition on IT work apps. There will be people along soon to say none of it exists and in 100 years that it didn't exist in the 2020's.

ILoveJamaica · 10/10/2021 16:46

My late MiL never did a day’s paid work in her life, brought up her children and managed her house with lots of help (paid and family). After FiL died, she lived on a pension of £40kpa, not one penny of which she had paid into

See, I hate this view. How do you think your FIL managed to amass a pension? Who was raising his children, doing the school run, helping with homework, washing his pants, ironing his work shirts, changing the sheets he slept in, doing the grocery shop, cooking his dinner, hoovering the house, cleaning the toilet that he did his shits in?

It was MIL. And she wasn't paid. That is her contribution, and if FIL had been single, he would have had to outsource all of the grunt work that was being done by MIL. Which he would most likely not have been able to afford.

She earned that Pension as much as he did. That is even recognised in law. Had your MIL divorced your FIL, she would have walked away with half of his Pension, and rightly so.

julieca · 10/10/2021 16:48

My mum worked in a very stressful and demanding job full time. She is about the same age as your mum and has totally forgotten what work is like.

Gwenhwyfar · 10/10/2021 16:49

"I don't think dishwashers are that common even with kids. It's what I call fancy tbh. You would need the room for a start."

I get the impression most families now have one. Definitely most people on MN who are better off than the norm.
I live alone, but my rented flat actually has a dishwasher. A table top so only one rack. It's not that practical as I only put it on once a week.
Don't envy me though - I don't have a washing machine at home. I think that would be very hard with a family.

TReXX · 10/10/2021 16:50

@ILoveJamaica

My late MiL never did a day’s paid work in her life, brought up her children and managed her house with lots of help (paid and family). After FiL died, she lived on a pension of £40kpa, not one penny of which she had paid into

See, I hate this view. How do you think your FIL managed to amass a pension? Who was raising his children, doing the school run, helping with homework, washing his pants, ironing his work shirts, changing the sheets he slept in, doing the grocery shop, cooking his dinner, hoovering the house, cleaning the toilet that he did his shits in?

It was MIL. And she wasn't paid. That is her contribution, and if FIL had been single, he would have had to outsource all of the grunt work that was being done by MIL. Which he would most likely not have been able to afford.

She earned that Pension as much as he did. That is even recognised in law. Had your MIL divorced your FIL, she would have walked away with half of his Pension, and rightly so.

Totally agree with this @ILoveJamaica

The internalised misogyny is strong in this thread

ILoveJamaica · 10/10/2021 16:53

Finally I don't expect her to be cleaning like a demon at age 80 - she has stretched out what she can do in a day not just now. She just has the luxury of time

How dare she at 80! The very cheek of it!

julieca · 10/10/2021 16:56

@RosesAndHellebores dishwashers were VERY unusual in those days.

ILoveJamaica · 10/10/2021 17:07

The internalised misogyny is strong in this thread

Isn't it just!

Women cannot win. If you're a SAHM you've had a charmed life. No mention of the grunt work or the fact that the children have had a present parent 100% of the time. If you go out to work, that's not great either as you're not around for all of your kids things, like watching the school play or accompanying school trips. Women's choices are picked apart and criticised all of the time.

Why aren't Fathers choices pored over?

MattyGroves · 10/10/2021 17:13

I have a similar mother and I empathise. I honestly prefer my life, I like having a career and a more equal relationship than she did, I am not jealous of her.

I don't seek her advice or opinions but she offers them constantly and she makes no attempt to understand why my life is different to hers. She suggests things and criticises me constantly and it all comes from a place of not understanding my life in any way.

I once told her I was tired after being up 5 times overnight with my newborn. She told me that I didn't understand how tired she was after having gone to the post office and also made my dad a sandwich lunch. Just one of many many examples.

Motnight · 10/10/2021 17:17

You don't understand her life, Op, and she doesn't understand yours. I'm not sure why it matters.

AmberLynn1536 · 10/10/2021 17:17

@Waferbiscuit

Will you do it differently with your kids, do you think? Spend your retirement doing childcare and handing money out to your grown up children?

Yup I would hope I would be in a position to do something or help in some way.

Well you will be financially able to won’t you seeing you will inherit your mum’s wealth, bet you won’t be complaining then. Honestly I can’t believe what I am reading here, the envy and resentment spewing out from your posts about an 80 year old woman is revolting, if you want someone to look after your kids, pay someone, if you want more money go and earn it, your mum is not responsible for your life choices, suck it up.
REDHERO · 10/10/2021 17:19

Some people are like your mother very out of touch with the experiences of many @Waferbiscuit. She's privileged and sounds like she was spoilt and lived a carefree easy life.

Waferbiscuit · 10/10/2021 17:21

Well you will be financially able to won’t you seeing you will inherit your mum’s wealth, bet you won’t be complaining then. Honestly I can’t believe what I am reading here, the envy and resentment spewing out from your posts about an 80 year old woman is revolting, if you want someone to look after your kids, pay someone, if you want more money go and earn it, your mum is not responsible for your life choices, suck it up.

@AmberLynn1536 I never asked for my mother's help or money, this really wasn't what this thread was about. And it's in the Relationships topic which means it's about tensions in relationships, which we all have. I'm not sure the comments on here are being 'spewed' or are 'revolting'!

OP posts:
Cameleongirl · 10/10/2021 17:31

@Motnight

You don't understand her life, Op, and she doesn't understand yours. I'm not sure why it matters.
Exactly, @Motnight and it’s not that unusual, tbh. My Dad ( Mum’s died) really doesn’t understand my life and I don’t bother sharing a lot of things with him, because it’s pointless. Best just to love them the way they are.
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