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So confused am I to blame?

112 replies

Treacleshf · 08/10/2021 12:29

I’m really struggling with my relationship. We’ve not been together that long, 18 months. We have a great time together and he’s great in many ways. When I was unwell in summer he went above and beyond to look after me. We laugh a lot and I honestly thought this was it after a few months. But he’s often quite miserable/stressed/unhappy and this has come out even more so recently, though I don’t know why.

  1. It’s maybe a small thing but at the start of the year I said I’d love to go away for a couple of nights together in the uk. He said he’d enjoy this but he wanted it to be end of summer so he could focus on work (his work is always most busy in summer). I was disappointed but left it at that and said let’s go in autumn. I’ve been away with friends, it’s not a big deal.
Anyway, fast forward to now and I mentioned again taking a Friday off work so we could travel a couple of hours to the beach and stay until Sunday afternoon. He’s almost turned on me, said I am controlling, I like things my way and only my way, and he doesn’t know when he can do this. I’ve been totally taken aback by it as he’s repeatedly told me he’d love to have a couple of nights away, we’ve even looked at places to stay and he knows I had provisionally booked it on line (free cancellation). He’s been quite nasty about it - I apparently like spending money and he doesn’t (I don’t particularly or any differently to anyone else, plus we both have money, both over 70k, so I can’t see that’s the issue, this place was 143 for 2 nights!!). I’m apparently always wanting things my way… I booked the place with a pool that he liked so he could swim. I hadn’t even asked him for the money, not even considered it actually. I would probably have just paid. He says I like doing ‘lots of things’ and he doesn’t Confused we mostly stay in and I’m happy with that, I like being at home. He also has masses of holiday to take, his colleagues have been off intermittently throughout the year. It doesn’t make sense to me.
  1. He can become consumed by worries, and at the weekend he moped around saying he was missing his dad and sibling and he was worrying about them (both have quite bad depression but function day to day). I spent two hours talking it over with him. He never seems to recognise that I do these things and will just sit and stare for what seems like hours, looking angry/upset. I will try and encourage him to be positive and see his family and book time off to do it and he just becomes defensive saying he knows he needs to do that but it’s a big task for him to look into it Hmm
  1. Whenever I’ve tried to talk calmly with him he just withdraws and doesn’t say much other than I’m attacking him. I can literally say i love you and can we talk about x and he will just automatically frown and withdraw and look annoyed. I feel like I can’t mention anything with a view to moving forwards, in fact last time I raised anything he said I wanted to get the moral high ground?!
  1. In the early days I turned up on time and he said oh I didn’t expect you to actually get here for now, I’m still doing stuff, and asked me to sit in the lounge while he was upstairs.

I’m just so exhausted. I met him through a friend of a friend and this friend warned me his last relationship ended age 22 and he’s now 39. She said steer clear and I wish I had. I struggle to deal with the misery and negativity. I just don’t understand it.

I’ve messaged him today saying would he like to go for a drink to unwind when he’s back or alternatively I could get some nice wine in and we could stay home. He’s not replied but I expect he will just say he’d rather stay in and will be quite abrupt about it.

I was on the cusp of ending it but maybe he’s right I’m controlling and it’s my issue and I need to relax? There’s this horrible doubt in my mind now about whether I’ve behaved awfully like he’s suggesting. I’m so confused.

OP posts:
theleafandnotthetree · 08/10/2021 13:44

@Treacleshf

Sorry to have frustrated posters. I’m struggling with this and have low self esteem. I’m in therapy for it and she suggested I post on a forum because I was second guessing myself so much. I find this all very hard. I know it probably sounds extremely pathetic.
You don't sound pathetic, you sound lovely and caring and thoughtful and good company. But all that is wasted on this man I'm afraid, you can tie yourself in knots all you like but he sounds an arse and/or is just not the right fit for you. But more broadly, don't look for validation of yourself from a man, it's fraught with danger and chance and you don't value yourself enough (yet) to not let his worldview and view of you swamp your own. Sometimes getting out of these things is a process but at the very least, please note the overwhelming consensus on here and look at him and his actions with fresh eyes.
Pokske · 08/10/2021 13:47

If I’d kept quiet we’d be fine now
Yes, of course you would be !
So that's the trick: just shut up and never express what you want. Not.
You CAN NOT live like this !
He's been single for most of his adult life, he's just not adjusted to taking other people into account. You are in for a very lonely, depressing and sad life if you stay with this egocentric man.

notacooldad · 08/10/2021 13:53

I think the biggest favour you can do for yourself is to learn to love your own company. Enjoy being alone and value yourself.
This help you raise the bar for future partners.
Learn to set high boundaries for yourself and that will help flush out people's who dont treat you well.

todaysdilemma · 08/10/2021 14:00

Go to the beach house! Arm yourself with a nice podcast for the drive there and a great playlist, so you don't feel alone. Once you are there, lots of walks, films, books - maybe you can do some sort of e-course online so you're focused on something without time to let your thoughts wander. Maybe shop for and cook a fab meal for yourself. Alternatively how about getting a bike and planning routes - I find on a bike, you're so focused on steering, navigating, exploring - there's no time for any ruminating.

AnotherEmma · 08/10/2021 14:03

@Treacleshf

Sorry to have frustrated posters. I’m struggling with this and have low self esteem. I’m in therapy for it and she suggested I post on a forum because I was second guessing myself so much. I find this all very hard. I know it probably sounds extremely pathetic.
You're not pathetic. It's good that you're in therapy, I hope it's helping. Flowers
youvegottenminuteslynn · 08/10/2021 14:03

@Treacleshf

Thanks for the patience. I think on some level the idea that it’s me means I can fix it, whereas if it’s him then it’s doomed and he won’t do anything about it.

Maybe there’s an element of that going on.

My mum has a beach house around a 6 hour drive away. She said I could go to it this weekend. I desperately want to but I’m scared I will find the drive hard alone and will be alone with my thoughts, though equally I would love nothing more than to be at the beach and away from it all. I don’t really know what’s best. I might get there and feel very alone. There’s nobody available to go with me

Get some podcasts prepped for your trip - id recommend Off Menu with Ed Gamble and James Acaster or similar, or maybe an audiobook like an autobiography of someone you really like. You'll be there before you know it and then you can have a really relaxing weekend and recharge!
Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 08/10/2021 14:13

You don't sound pathetic, you sound very lovely but just a little lacking in self belief.
Get to that beach house and challenge yourself a bit, relish the time on your own, stock up on lovely food and just indulge.
Come back refreshed and with your inner ROAR!
You are way too good for this bloke.

Tellmeee · 08/10/2021 14:16

Is this no sex guy? If so, you have that problem on top.

itsureis · 08/10/2021 14:24

OP - tell us all his good points, and as to why you are going to stay in the relationship.

He clearly won't end things with you as you're willing to put up with him just how he is.

There is nothing wrong with saying you want to get away for a weekend, especially with your partner, who you would have thought would say yes !

Don't stay in a miserable relationship, where you're always second guessing his moods, for the sake of being alone. You are worth more than that.

TheSmallAssassin · 08/10/2021 14:28

"If I'd kept quiet"

"Everything felt like a struggle."

These are both telling sentences, honestly it isn't meant to be this hard!

This relationship is not making you happy. I wasted years of my life in a bad relationship that was good in parts, and would have been perfect if only we could have fixed this bit. Or that bit. It was always doomed. I can see that now I am in a much healthier relationship.

I would forego relationships until you are further on in therapy and have improved your self esteem. This one is just going to make you feel worse about yourself!

HaggisBurger · 08/10/2021 14:41

You’re not pathetic at all @Treacleshf. But you do deserve more. Much more. I really don’t think you will find it with this man sadly

ChargingBuck · 08/10/2021 15:01

[quote Treacleshf]@Peace43 how do you know? He said I was controlling, I like things my way, that he compromised by spending all his free time with me and I don’t realise that etc etc. Maybe I expect too much. I am not perfect and maybe I’ve caused all this by being full on or pushy.[/quote]
Treacle, every single thing you have posted about this horrible man screams "controlling fucker".

He is calling you controlling because he is also a DARVO'ing fucker -
www.banyantherapy.com/darvo/

In the early stages of your relationship, he was a love-bombing fucker - www.betterhelp.com/advice/love/what-is-love-bombing-examples-and-dangers/

More recently, his mask has slipped, & you are witnessing the abuse-cycling fucker - www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/cycle_of_abuse.html

You are now caught in the mindbending reality of a man who deliberately goads you to get a response, who changes the rules without warning, who fault-finds, nitpicks, & takes sadistic pleasure in wrong-footing you.
This is deliberate - it is done to destabilise you, & keep you under his control.

You can see exactly how he achieves this by reviewing your own words:
I was on the cusp of ending it but maybe he’s right I’m controlling and it’s my issue and I need to relax? There’s this horrible doubt in my mind now about whether I’ve behaved awfully like he’s suggesting. I’m so confused.

I am so sorry OP.
It will not get better, in fact - I guarantee this - it will escalate.
If you stay with this abusive man, you will be ground down until there is so little of you left you will be unable to recognise yourself, let alone think for yourself.

You are clear sighted enough to already understand how he will respond to your tentative, hopeful plea to meet for a drink.
Please think long & hard about why you should feel that awkward & vulnerable about making a simple suggestion to your own b/f for crying out loud.

You should not be having to second-guess yourself like this -
He’s not replied but I expect he will just say he’d rather stay in and will be quite abrupt about it.

  • but well done on the clarity of mind you have about how you know he is going to react. You know damn well the non-response is a punishment, & another form of control. You know he will be abrupt - more punishment & control. You know he will insist on staying in - more punishment & control, designed to demonstrate that it's his way or the highway.

When you are feeling steady enough OP, I think you should spent a LOT of time with this book - www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Does-He-That-Controlling/dp/0425191656?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

You will find your b/f in there, & recognise so much of his anger & control. The book is jam-packed with advice & support, accessibly written, & will give you the help you need to see very clearly what this man is up to, & I hope the impetus to exit this disastrous relationship ASAP.

ChargingBuck · 08/10/2021 15:05

PS it's not "compromising" to spend your free time with your own g/f.
Its not "pushy" to make kind & generous suggestions about weekends away & holidays.

You know that it's nothing to do with the holiday, right?

If he didn't have this to complain about, he'd pick something else.
If there was nothing else to complain about, he'd invent it - just like he is starting to do by "changing the rules on you (He says he wants a holiday - you research & suggest a holiday - he then kicks off about the holiday - see what I mean?)

paisley256 · 08/10/2021 15:07

He's not ready for a relationship. He's taking all his shit out on you. It's not you, he is the one with the problems, please stop doubting yourself. Your self esteem will suffer if you stay. Look after you. Flowers

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 08/10/2021 15:08

You posted an almost identical thread recently and the responses were the same: it's not you, it's him. Why are you still staying around all this negativity??

ChargingBuck · 08/10/2021 15:09

@BlueJag

I feel that he is on the spectrum. Sounds exhausting.
Please fuck off with the disablism.

People on the spectrum are not abusive twats.
Abusive twats are not on the spectrum.

ChargingBuck · 08/10/2021 15:14

[quote Treacleshf]@scooterbear maybe I was intense about it. I can get excited about things like that and maybe I made it stressful or seem like an obligation. I don’t know really. I did say a lot that I didn’t mind when or even where it was and if he wanted to sort the dates first that worked for him then I would sort it my end afterwards. I was being quite official about it I guess, trying to organise it etc. Maybe it was too much.[/quote]
Treacle, please, PLEASE - stop this.

You are already turning yourself inside out to try & minimise or justify the way this man treats you.

I cannot say this strongly enough - it's not you, it's him.
You are not controlling (very, very far from it - I would hazard you are more on the people-pleasing end of the scale).

Your man, however, is an arsehole.
There is nothing you can do about that, expect quit while you are still far enough ahead to see some of the crazy for what it is, & have enough strength left to get the fuck out of this unholy relationship.

Quire · 08/10/2021 15:25

@Treacleshf

Sorry to have frustrated posters. I’m struggling with this and have low self esteem. I’m in therapy for it and she suggested I post on a forum because I was second guessing myself so much. I find this all very hard. I know it probably sounds extremely pathetic.
Stop castigating yourself, @Treacleshf — it sounds to me as if this unhappy, angry, controlling man is contributing substantially to your low self-esteem. It’s worrying that even on a forum where literally everyone has said it’s him not you, your first impulse is to make excuses for him and take the blame.

And it’s not just the weekend away — he sounds unhappy and unpleasant. You can do far better. Keep working on your self-esteem, and ditch Angry Miseryguts.

Quire · 08/10/2021 15:26

@Treacleshf

Thanks for the patience. I think on some level the idea that it’s me means I can fix it, whereas if it’s him then it’s doomed and he won’t do anything about it.

Maybe there’s an element of that going on.

My mum has a beach house around a 6 hour drive away. She said I could go to it this weekend. I desperately want to but I’m scared I will find the drive hard alone and will be alone with my thoughts, though equally I would love nothing more than to be at the beach and away from it all. I don’t really know what’s best. I might get there and feel very alone. There’s nobody available to go with me

Go to the beach! Walk on the sand, bring some lovely, easy food, build a fire, have a glass of wine in the knowledge no one is going to criticise or undermine you! Nurture yourself!
ChargingBuck · 08/10/2021 15:27

One time we had an argument, a bad one, and we made up (I made all the effort to get to that point), we went out for some lunch and had a nice chat, I thought things were fine. I mentioned my parents and that theyd suggested having a meal with us the following weekend and he just frowned and said he didn’t know how he felt about that now after the argument and he wanted time to think. It was all really confusing.

It's the very definition of controlling behaviour.

"I am going to use the fact of an argument we both had, but only you took the trouble to come back from, to make you feel badly in the wrong while having an excuse to push my own agenda of never wanting to do anything."

He was conditioning you to make no waves, accept his viewpoint, blame yourself, & ensure he always gets his own way.

That confusion you felt? - it's a classic response to this type of abuse. It's also deliberately engendered. Survivors call it "spaghetti head" - you end up so on the back foot, so reeling from the cognitive dissonance of his behaviours not matching his words, of knowing you've done nothing wrong but being made to feel like you have ... the longer you stay with this man, the more confused & self-doubting you are going to be.

FinallyHere · 08/10/2021 15:36

on the cusp of ending it

What are you waiting for? What would he have to do, for you to have had enough.

Sounds joyless.

Have your trip to the beach house. Have a great time. Enjoy.

ChargingBuck · 08/10/2021 15:36

I might get there and feel very alone.

How about you decide that's ok, & do it anyway?

Doing something just for yourself this weekend is a top plan.
You will be alone - that's a good thing! It gives you time to think, to ruminate over this thread, to read up on some of the links posted.

It would also give you a boost to challenge yourself, to get a sense of accomplishment from scheduling & managing the drive. To give yourself the freedom of lovely solitary beach walks, & only yourself to please as you decide what to eat, where to visit, what time to go to bed ... in short, re-learning how to simply please yourself.

Here's another book recommendation OP.
(& please discuss the Lundy Bancroft book linked upthread with your therapist.)
www.amazon.co.uk/Woman-Your-Own-Right-Assertiveness/dp/0704334208?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Cassia12 · 08/10/2021 15:38

Hi, I've been in a similar situation. It sounds to me that this man maybe depressed, certainly has issues. As women we are expected too be caring and protective and don't speak out when the person we are with is not treating us well. You are half of your relationship and your needs are equally valuable and should be respected. Please confide in family or friends to help you. His behaviour is not acceptable and their are helplines for you to talk and help. X

QuestionNumberOne · 08/10/2021 15:45

Dump this angry, punitive joy sucker.

Go to the beach house. Plan nice food movies walks books. Have a cry if you want to. Nurture yourself.

He’s a dick. Get rid.

lilmishap · 08/10/2021 17:19

"When I was unwell in summer he went above and beyond to look after me"
Yeah a dependant sick woman is a dream to a lot of controlling men. Does he ever remind you of this?

Your options are -
Do everything his way and shut up
or
Get torn apart on a regular basis for not shutting up and doing what he wants all the time
or
Fuck him off and get an actual boyfriend

He's been alone since 22. How is that you?