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To be beginning to have a bad feeling about new boyfriend?

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Neverkins · 07/10/2021 15:34

I’m 3 months into a new relationship with a man I knew years ago. I always fancied him but he wasn’t into me. We lost touch after I went to uni, he stayed in our home town and got married. I contacted him over the years, mostly between my two long term relationships. He always seemed very focused on how attractive/slim I am ‘now’. He contacted me very very soon after his wife left him (I didn’t know at the time but it was 2/3 days). We met up, one thing led to another and we’ve been dating since. He told me he loved me very quickly and I reciprocated very enthusiastically. I felt head over heels and couldn’t believe he finally loved me.

I’m sure there are red flags in some of the backstory but I still mostly feel that I really am in love with him. There are some minor things bothering me though, mostly about money.

I work in a large firm I joined as a graduate. I’ve worked my way up the ladder and earn a very good salary in a part of the country with low cost of living. New guy was very nosy about my income from day 1, googling my job and firm to find out what I might earn. Asked lots of direct questions until I told him an approximate figure. He became belligerent and argumentative, told me that it wasn’t much money and he earns 10k more than me anyway. Now, I don’t particularly care what he earns as I can and do support myself, but the way he reacted was really odd. It seemed like he was trying to put me down/in my place and it was interesting that he volunteered no information about his own income until he knew mine and could compare. Also, I have some very good reasons to believe he doesn’t earn the money he claims he does.

He left his phone open with a WhatsApp conversation on the screen in which he was ‘bragging’ really grossly to a new friend of his about how much money I earn and that I’ve agreed to get him (this friend I’ve never met) a job in my firm. Needless to say I’d said no such thing and never would.

I make sure I pay for at least half of our dates and offer to pay for them all. We’ve enjoyed some very nice meals out and some lovely hotels so I’ve spent good money on him and vice versa. One morning we went to a cafe for breakfast and he disappeared off to the toilet after we’d both finished eating. He was taking a while and I felt awkward waiting for him in front of empty plates in a busy place so paid and found him outside smoking. He shouted at me for ‘embarrassing’ him by paying. This was a £15 bill when he’d been fine with my buying dinner and hotel rooms. 10 minutes later he apologised and said his outburst was because he isn’t used to women paying for things, that no woman has ever so much as bought him a drink before and he doesn’t know how to handle it.

He’s asked me a lot about what savings I have, and tells me he has great business ideas for me to invest in. Is very keen to bring this up in frequent conversations and talks about introducing me to business associates of his.

Despite supposedly earning more money than me, being 4 years older than me (40 years old), living in a very inexpensive part of the country and never moving out of our home town, has never owned property. Obviously there’s no problem with renting but it just doesn’t make sense for someone in his supposed position.

Within a week of meeting up he was talking very seriously about living together. Seemed very keen on me selling my home and us buying somewhere together. When I took it at face value and asked how we would structure it, what sort of price range we’d be considering, he fluffed around and gave me some noncommittal answer about how I should definitely buy it myself for my own legal protection. It seems like he just wants me to provide somewhere for him to live that’s convenient for him and to his taste. He’s living back with his parents as he generously (in his words) let his wife stay in their rented home.

We were at a local pub a couple of nights ago - just the two of us (and nobody we knew in there), and were taking it in turns to buy the drinks. It’s a very standard pub I’ve visited many times, where a glass of wine is around £5-6 and there’s nothing expensive by the glass. A pint of lager/ale and a glass of wine is always

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TedImgoingmad · 07/10/2021 16:50

I just get the sense from how he talks about his wife (and previous relationships) that he would definitely paint himself as a victim, and probably lie about me to others. I know I should try not to care about that though. He’s the type who if I didn’t answer his calls I’d worry would turn up at my parents house and cause a scene to embarrass me into speaking to him. That kind of thing. He drinks too much and is a bit erratic at times (I know, I know).

You have only been with him 3 months! I could just about stomach this sort of thinking from some poor woman who's been saddled with this shit head for years, tied up with him financially, with familial/progeny ties, suffering sunken costs fallacy, boiled slowly like some frog and has only just realised the nightmare she's in. It's only been 3 months with not even a sexual relationship, and I'm assuming the scales fell from your eyes sometime before you decided to post on here. At 3 months you can walk away and never have to set eyes on him again. Nobody is going to judge you for breaking up with him, you are still in the dating zone. If he pursues you - because of a 3 month, sexless relationship where he professes to be still bound by his marriage vows - he's the one that will look like a loon. You've already said all his friends took his wife's side in their break up. What makes you think anyone will take his side if you break up with him? FGS, give your head a wobble. Prolonging this will just make it harder for you to get away from this fucker. Stop doubting yourself and dump him now.

Chloemol · 07/10/2021 16:50

Red flags all over

Dump and run

bigbaggyeyes · 07/10/2021 16:51

I think the fact you didn't feel comfortable confronting him about the bar bill and your debit card speaks volumes about how uneasy you feel around him. Normally in that situation you should have said 'oh they've charged me 27 quid for 2 drinks, I'll just nip you the bar and sort it out' but you didn't feel comfortable even bringing it up in front of him. You automatically thought he'd bought something else whilst your back was turned

mbosnz · 07/10/2021 16:51

cocklodging, fantasist, lying loser

THAT'S why he reminds me of my FIL. Thank you for putting it so succinctly! Grin

Tal45 · 07/10/2021 16:51

Their friends sided with his wife, don't worry about him making himself out to be the victim as it sounds like most people have the measure of him. Sounds like you got a bit caught up in all his crap and needed to have your eyes opened.

I would tell him you feel like he's not over his wife/marriage yet (what with the weird sex thing) and so you've decided it would be best if you split up because you want him to have the time he obviously needs. Best to BS a bullshitter to avoid things turning nasty or becoming a problem, make it sound like it's all for his benefit and then run for the hills.

DappyApple · 07/10/2021 16:51

If all these reds flags are apparent after only 3 months what it going to be like after a year.
He sounds unhinged, get rid now!

HebalGerbil · 07/10/2021 16:52

My first love, unrequited, as a teenager married someone else at seventeen.

I knew them both and although it hurt me, I helped with their wedding, both financially and by arranging bits of it.

One week later, he told me, "I was going to ask you out before I met her" and came on to me. She was asleep, upstairs in the bedroom above us. Basically, he wanted to be married to her while fucking me.

I said no, by the way.

I met future DH soon after but I held a torch for that piece of shit for years.

Those teenage feelings overriding common sense sometimes, somehow thinking his marriage would fail and we would finally be together.

Thing is though, I came to realise I was in love with the idea of him, rather than him himself because, actually, he was an utter fucking cunt and would have most likely ended up literally murdering me because he also had a tempter and some misogynistic views that would have created nightmare levels of conflict with my feminist none pushover ways. I am the dominant partner in my own marriage so potentially explosive would be an understatement of epic proportions if I had ever got near a relationship with my teen love. He is still married to her, she's the doormat compliant type I would never have been.

My point, teenage love interest dreams should be analysed, seen for what they are and left behind, where they belong. There is an odd occasion where a relationship could work but it's rare. If it were a good match, it would have happened years before.

This man sounds dangerous to you in many aspects.
Run, don't walk.
Take your rose tinted history specs off, I am begging you.

whenthedoveslie · 07/10/2021 16:53

He’s taken various photos of me that I feel sick to my stomach thinking about him having. I did various things I wouldn’t ever usually do because he hinted it might help him get over his sexual ‘block’. I’m usually so sensible and know exactly what I’d tell a friend to do (or not!) in this situation but I still managed to do everything wrong myself.

I am sure this wasn't to get over any 'sexual block'. I am concerned for you OP.

I don't know how explicit these photos are, but I suspect they were taken for anything but the reason he gave.

Please don't see this man anymore.

ChargingBuck · 07/10/2021 16:53

@beastlyslumber You talk so much good sense I'm usually a bit in awe of your posts - but have to disagree with this -

I suspect that if you are able to find a way to get him to dump you it would be easier

Manouevreing & strategising would take time & emotional energy, & is totally unnecessary.

OP's been dating this loser for a few weeks- she could dump him by text in the next 2 minutes flat. She doesn't owe him any more than that, & I suggest that the least interaction she now has with him, the better.

OP - if you try & break up with him "nicely" & face to face, he will manipulate, bully & abuse you. You will get the entire gamut of "The Script", from tears to insults, from declarations of undying love to suicide threats.

Spare yourself the grief & cut this awful specimen out of your life today.
By text, then block.
YOU OWE HIM NOTHING (in fact he owes you £20 in nicked cashback, the sneaky fucker, but small price to pay, huh?)

lazylinguist · 07/10/2021 16:54

Jesus. Any one of the issues you've mentioned (and presumably the others you haven't) is enough to warrant dumping him. Collectively it's enough red flags to decorate a bloody carnival!

Tilltheend99 · 07/10/2021 16:55

I think you should go and have a conversation with his ex if you are able to do so safely.

The thing you said about the toilet made me think drugs.

The thing with the pub; maybe he asked for cash back and kept the cash. Seems unlikely he bought extra stuff and drank it before you got back unless shots in which case he would have seemed more drunk.

Regardless, he sounds well dodge. If you are too in love to bin him at least make sure you don’t do anything joint financially with him including investments as doubt it will end well . Good luck

lilmishap · 07/10/2021 16:55

I think I’d like to be aware of what he’s up to even if I don’t respond to any of it

This is exactly what he will expect from you, a woman who is beneath him but besotted with him so he shat on her and she still couldn't give him up completely.

He does not need any space inside your head because he is not a 'friend' or someone whose life you should be interested in. You should be thinking of never hearing his name again with relief.

You don't matter to him. Put him in the past

Has he given his wife a hard time? because it seems his MO is to move on to the nearest woman with low self esteem within days.

antoniawhite · 07/10/2021 16:55

Run like the wind.

Cocomarine · 07/10/2021 16:56

Take a deep breath and say out loud: those photos have no power.

You’re not the first, they’re not the end of the world. Act like they never happened.

He will know damn well that he can be prosecuted for sharing them. If he tells anyone about them, believe me, they’re going to think badly of him for me timing them, not of you.

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-law-to-tackle-revenge-porn

flowersmakeitbetter · 07/10/2021 16:57

You just need to say to your parents that you've split up because he wasn't the person you thought he was. Warn them that he might pay them a visit/cause a scene. I'm sure it is better that they know.

I have no advice about the photos.

I think you've had a lucky escape. What a loser!

TedImgoingmad · 07/10/2021 16:57

Seen your update re the photos. Fucking hell. If he tries blackmailing you with these or shaming you, then you need to go to the police immediately.

PinkSyCo · 07/10/2021 16:57

He’s taken various photos of me that I feel sick to my stomach thinking about him having. I did various things I wouldn’t ever usually do because he hinted it might help him get over his sexual ‘block’.

Oh shit. Be prepared for him to start trying blackmailing you with these pics when you dump his nasty arse OP

HappyDays101010 · 07/10/2021 16:57

Oh my god, you're not even getting great sex out of it! At least you know what to do, I hope it all goes well op!

movpov · 07/10/2021 16:58

OP, same as everyone else here. Red flags galore. He's in major debt and sees you as his way out. The undressing thing - weird, and please do not let him take any pictures. He actually sounds unstable and I agree will probably not react well to being dumped so please confide in someone, a friend or family member who can keep an eye out for you.

You don't owe him an explanation for dumping him, just say it's not working for you and leave it at that. Don't let him in if he comes round. Don't be embarrassed at putting yourself and your own financial security first. Good luck and take care

Berthatydfil · 07/10/2021 16:58

I wonder if he tested the water with the £27 and if you don’t notice /bring it up with him he is planning to do it again /bigger value.
He sees you as a cash cow and is planning on cocklodging (with out much cock though!)
Don’t worry about the photos. If he attempts to “blackmail” you don’t hesitate to go to the police. Don’t feel ashamed- you were (are?) in an intimate relationship, the police will support you and deal with him.

beastlyslumber · 07/10/2021 16:58

[quote ChargingBuck]@beastlyslumber You talk so much good sense I'm usually a bit in awe of your posts - but have to disagree with this -

I suspect that if you are able to find a way to get him to dump you it would be easier

Manouevreing & strategising would take time & emotional energy, & is totally unnecessary.

OP's been dating this loser for a few weeks- she could dump him by text in the next 2 minutes flat. She doesn't owe him any more than that, & I suggest that the least interaction she now has with him, the better.

OP - if you try & break up with him "nicely" & face to face, he will manipulate, bully & abuse you. You will get the entire gamut of "The Script", from tears to insults, from declarations of undying love to suicide threats.

Spare yourself the grief & cut this awful specimen out of your life today.
By text, then block.
YOU OWE HIM NOTHING (in fact he owes you £20 in nicked cashback, the sneaky fucker, but small price to pay, huh?)[/quote]
Yeah, you are right. OP did mention grey rock and that is probably best. Certainly quicker and less risky than any attempt to manipulate him into leaving you.

Text and block.

Hattie765 · 07/10/2021 16:58

Read your own post back to yourself and imagine it's your best friend telling you this stuff and you'll get your answer. Your gut is screaming at you but your heart is getting in the way, listen to your gut xx

Tilltheend99 · 07/10/2021 16:59

@whenthedoveslie

He’s taken various photos of me that I feel sick to my stomach thinking about him having. I did various things I wouldn’t ever usually do because he hinted it might help him get over his sexual ‘block’. I’m usually so sensible and know exactly what I’d tell a friend to do (or not!) in this situation but I still managed to do everything wrong myself.

I am sure this wasn't to get over any 'sexual block'. I am concerned for you OP.

I don't know how explicit these photos are, but I suspect they were taken for anything but the reason he gave.

Please don't see this man anymore.

Revenge porn is a crime now so if he even tries to threaten you with those pics go straight to the police.

Definitely leave now today as is starting to sound like he has planned every detail in advance to manipulate you and take your money. Flowers

goingtotown · 07/10/2021 17:00

He wants your money not you. Get rid.

MegaClutterSlut · 07/10/2021 17:00

RUN as fast as you can op and don't look back!