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To be beginning to have a bad feeling about new boyfriend?

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Neverkins · 07/10/2021 15:34

I’m 3 months into a new relationship with a man I knew years ago. I always fancied him but he wasn’t into me. We lost touch after I went to uni, he stayed in our home town and got married. I contacted him over the years, mostly between my two long term relationships. He always seemed very focused on how attractive/slim I am ‘now’. He contacted me very very soon after his wife left him (I didn’t know at the time but it was 2/3 days). We met up, one thing led to another and we’ve been dating since. He told me he loved me very quickly and I reciprocated very enthusiastically. I felt head over heels and couldn’t believe he finally loved me.

I’m sure there are red flags in some of the backstory but I still mostly feel that I really am in love with him. There are some minor things bothering me though, mostly about money.

I work in a large firm I joined as a graduate. I’ve worked my way up the ladder and earn a very good salary in a part of the country with low cost of living. New guy was very nosy about my income from day 1, googling my job and firm to find out what I might earn. Asked lots of direct questions until I told him an approximate figure. He became belligerent and argumentative, told me that it wasn’t much money and he earns 10k more than me anyway. Now, I don’t particularly care what he earns as I can and do support myself, but the way he reacted was really odd. It seemed like he was trying to put me down/in my place and it was interesting that he volunteered no information about his own income until he knew mine and could compare. Also, I have some very good reasons to believe he doesn’t earn the money he claims he does.

He left his phone open with a WhatsApp conversation on the screen in which he was ‘bragging’ really grossly to a new friend of his about how much money I earn and that I’ve agreed to get him (this friend I’ve never met) a job in my firm. Needless to say I’d said no such thing and never would.

I make sure I pay for at least half of our dates and offer to pay for them all. We’ve enjoyed some very nice meals out and some lovely hotels so I’ve spent good money on him and vice versa. One morning we went to a cafe for breakfast and he disappeared off to the toilet after we’d both finished eating. He was taking a while and I felt awkward waiting for him in front of empty plates in a busy place so paid and found him outside smoking. He shouted at me for ‘embarrassing’ him by paying. This was a £15 bill when he’d been fine with my buying dinner and hotel rooms. 10 minutes later he apologised and said his outburst was because he isn’t used to women paying for things, that no woman has ever so much as bought him a drink before and he doesn’t know how to handle it.

He’s asked me a lot about what savings I have, and tells me he has great business ideas for me to invest in. Is very keen to bring this up in frequent conversations and talks about introducing me to business associates of his.

Despite supposedly earning more money than me, being 4 years older than me (40 years old), living in a very inexpensive part of the country and never moving out of our home town, has never owned property. Obviously there’s no problem with renting but it just doesn’t make sense for someone in his supposed position.

Within a week of meeting up he was talking very seriously about living together. Seemed very keen on me selling my home and us buying somewhere together. When I took it at face value and asked how we would structure it, what sort of price range we’d be considering, he fluffed around and gave me some noncommittal answer about how I should definitely buy it myself for my own legal protection. It seems like he just wants me to provide somewhere for him to live that’s convenient for him and to his taste. He’s living back with his parents as he generously (in his words) let his wife stay in their rented home.

We were at a local pub a couple of nights ago - just the two of us (and nobody we knew in there), and were taking it in turns to buy the drinks. It’s a very standard pub I’ve visited many times, where a glass of wine is around £5-6 and there’s nothing expensive by the glass. A pint of lager/ale and a glass of wine is always

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lydia2021 · 08/10/2021 03:37

And your asking us..... you answered your own qiestions

JennyForeigner · 08/10/2021 03:50

Well done OP. And well done MN, because if ever there were a thread that validated this kind of community...

There is no reason to be alarmed (and you are doing brilliantly and just the right things!) but I work occasionally with victims of abuse and there are enough red flags in what you have said to justify treating this not just as CFery beyond belief but as a statistically limited but tangible potential risk to you at this point of exit.

Please don't restore contact, whatever you do. You seem impressively clear-sighted, but emotionally abusive men get what they want because what they do works, and it is to bend all of the best things about you back onto you. You are kind, so feel guilty. You are generous, so wonder why you shouldn't share. You are sensitive, so reluctant to hurt others. He knows this, which is why he has used your good qualities against you from day one. And he will now stop at nothing to gaslight you back into a relationship, except that you will now have left once already. That tells him that if he gets you back, he needs to escalate fast. If this has been even a slightly safe relationship for you, it will not be again.

Recognise the risk and act to avert it. Do not tell yourself it's almost certainly ok or you owe him a conversation in a few weeks. You owe him nothing. Instead, you do as the poster above suggested - part of risk mitigation is that you make an extra big effort over the next few weeks to give yourself all of the warmth and enjoyment this man has dangled in front of you and then withheld. Take some long weekends, go see all of the friends and cousins where you think 'It has been too long,' upgrade to the good gym with the spa. Ignore everyone who tells you working on yourself is a priority right now. You have been hit by something external, the human equivalent of a horrible virus, and it says nothing about you that you were in this man's ambit and vulnerable to manipulation except that viruses try all of us - it's just the odds that sometimes it works and they get the edge.

Treat yourself like you have been ill, because your sense of self has been under a real assault. Give yourself the time and things you need to recover, and then more, and consider some counselling sessions if you can (work packages such as Perkbox will normally have some free and completely confidential time for which you can self-register or there are other avenues), not because you need to change, but simply to articulate and work this through, then let it go without impact on your future relationships or self.

Keep us updated please - not just immediately, but long term.

Starseeking · 08/10/2021 04:19

Goo job you got rid of him OP, he sounds awful, and very ready to freeload from you. Well done for knowing your own worth and holding your boundaries.

Lampzade · 08/10/2021 04:52

He sound scary AF

BoPeeple · 08/10/2021 05:02

@Pallisers

well done OP. really well done.

If I were you I'd change your debit card details and, honestly, would consider having a session or two with a therapist to discuss why you fell for him in the first place. But you are so strong and smart to just get out at this stage.

Sorry, but I think this is a bit patronising. She fell for him because she’d always liked him. I don’t think OP needs a therapist to unravel anything. She seems pretty grounded to me!
Balonzette · 08/10/2021 05:12

From the start, the entire OP is just red flag after red flag...

Balonzette · 08/10/2021 05:13

Oops. Should have RTFT first

SarahBellam · 08/10/2021 05:22

Congratulations, OP. You've certainly dodged a bullet there!

MumInBrussels · 08/10/2021 05:24

Well done, OP! I hope you got some sleep in the end. Your ex sounds terrifying, you've done so well to get out now - hopefully he moves on quickly and the fallout is minimal. Your life will be much better without him in it.

As others have said, please don't feel at all ashamed about the photos - he would very much be an arsehole for sharing them, to the extent that it's now illegal. It is no reflection on you, although it would be a bit embarrassing - but anyone who he shared it with would be horrified for you, not judging you in any way, I'm sure. Think about how you'd feel if your friend's ex or colleague's ex sent you compromising photos of her after a messy breakup - you probably wouldn't be thinking anything bad about her for having the photos taken! Don't hesitate to call the police if he tries to embarrass or blackmail you with them. It's their job to deal with nasty people like this.

Best of luck for the future - you've been really brave and you deserve so much better than he's given you. If you can, try and arrange to do nice things with your friends this weekend - it'd be good to be around people who really care about you at the moment, and they can also help you deal with any unpleasant messages you might get.

cameocat · 08/10/2021 05:30

Best of luck OP. For what it's worth I think you have just got out in time. I think he was at best a selfish cocklodger with alcohol dependency but quite possibly a con artist with huge potential to do extreme damage to your life.
There were so many red flags here.

Coffeeonmytoffee · 08/10/2021 06:11

You sound amazing and he sounds ghastly. Well done for dumping him.
If there is any mention of the photographs keep the texts and remind him there are now custodial sentences for revenge porn.

MyOtherProfile · 08/10/2021 06:18

Well done OP. Hope you've had a peaceful night.

Highflyingadored · 08/10/2021 06:31

Hope you managed to get some sleep

This reminds me of romy and Michelle's high school reunion where everyone loves billy but he ends up being a drunken idiot.

Good luck OP.. if you need a laugh at something mind numbing watch the above film Grin

Mamanyt · 08/10/2021 06:31

Best of luck, and good riddance to bad rubbish! Do let us know that you are safe, from time to time...these things can get sticky in a rush.

Bounce55 · 08/10/2021 06:34

@Sunshinealligator

None of these are small red flags. He's a liar who has bent so many situations so he has uneven footing and has received what sounds like a lot more than is fair from you.

A few things that stick out here, for his funds to tend to go into savings and our as required (possible but fucking annoying!) For it to not be disastrous those funds need to move pretty much immediately from savings to personal account-but they tend to with the same account. It's something I often do, if I'm worried about ploughing through money, a bit of a Ball ache, but it doesn't make sense of why money isn't in his account to pay for things. This shows him to not have any idea what's in his account...bit of a wooly excuse to be fair.

The one thing I really, really want you to think of, is that he is living at home with his parents at 40 and his card is still being declined. This is without paying for the roof over his head, without electric, without water bills, council tax, home insurances. Many of the big bills in life, and he's still not got money to hand? This is a very big red flag I wish I hadn't have ignored when I met DH. I love the bones of that man, but he was in a similar position (at 25- not 40) but he continues to create situation after situation with his financial irresponsibility. Given that not only is he useless with finances by the sounds of it, he seems to be planning how to spend your income, "you'll buy the house to protect yourself legally" -bollocks. I'd be very very wary.

Another thing, he's lying about you. You've caught him doing it. These lies will not always be quite so irrelevant. Though he is setting his friend up for a bit of a disappointment.

Tbb I'd have a bit of fun with him. Sit down with him and say, let's see how much house we can afford. You earn 10k more than me. So I've calculated we could borrow £xxxxx do you have £xxxx in savings? Maybe we could get the ball rolling to buy a house? See a solicitor together to protect us both. See his reaction, take note of his feeble excuses.

Start not having money when he wants to do something. See his reaction.

Ask him what business ventures he's currently involved in with his business buddies... just act shocked.

I'd give him enough rope to hang himself with, let him sow all of his true colours before you walk away.

The OP has ended it
UnsuitableHat · 08/10/2021 06:39

He sounds awful, and very untrustworthy. I think you’ll be setting yourself up for a lot of hassle by letting this continue.

Dita73 · 08/10/2021 06:39

I’ve never met this guy but he’s freaked me out. Well done for getting rid of him. It would be interesting to find out what happened with his wife but obviously it’s not worth digging. Leave him behind and move on

readingismycardio · 08/10/2021 06:43

So a divorced man, living with his parents, making you pay for things, wanting to know exactly how much you earn, trying to get you to buy a house so he can live for free in it... yeap, hard no. Run for the hills

ShinyMe · 08/10/2021 06:45

Keep us updated please - not just immediately, but long term.

OP has zero obligation or need to do that. That's entirely based on your curiosity, not OP's need. This thread was about OP needing help to clarify what she already knew, not about providing entertainment for everyone else.

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 08/10/2021 06:55

There are so many red flags you could fly red bunting around the whole country.
He's lining up to be a cocklodger.
He's a liar.
He has an unhealthy obsession with money
He has shown an aggressive side.
He love bombed you after only just leaving his wife (1000 red flags right there).

Honestly cut your losses and leave before you end up tied to this man for ever with a child. He isn't the lad from school anymore.

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 08/10/2021 06:56

I see my post is too late and You've ended it already. Well done, that was a lucky escape.

Neverkins · 08/10/2021 06:57

Thanks to all of you who left messages over night. It’s really lovely to wake up to so much encouragement.

He called and messaged a couple of times in the night - he’s not been nasty but seems very keen to talk and tell me he loves me. Lots of over the top ‘I’m worried about you. Tell me you’re ok’ type messages. He’s said a couple of times that he’s planning to come over to mine today after I finish work, so I did send one reply. I said ‘I’m sorry if you’re hurt or confused, but my decision is final. As I said earlier, I don’t want to talk further about it so please don’t come round again. I have made plans with friends for the weekend so I won’t be at home, nor will I be in [hometown].’

I know it would be better to ignore him, but I wanted to make it very clear that I don’t want to see him. Now I’m worried I might have made it too clear and he actually will turn up somewhere. Fortunately he wouldn’t be able to get anywhere near me at work, and I don’t think he’d try there anyway.

I can’t believe that only yesterday, despite being concerned enough to start this thread, I still believed I loved him. As soon as so many of you validated that the red flags weren’t minor it was like I had permission to stop, and it was almost instant. I’m not even upset (at the moment), just really embarrassed and also creeped out by him.

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Billybagpuss · 08/10/2021 06:58

Well done, hope you slept well.

bibliomania · 08/10/2021 07:01

Well done, OP, he's clearly not going to sweet-talk you around. Hope you have a wonderful time with him and funny be afraid to call the police if he starts hassling you.

Hattie765 · 08/10/2021 07:02

I've been there OP, it's amazing how quickly your feelings can change! I think you've done the right thing by making it clear you don't want to see him. If he continues contacting you or harassing you by turning up you need to report it straight away.

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