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Wwyd - Christmas without dc or holiday with exh?

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ChristmasWithDC · 28/09/2021 11:53

ExH and I split nearly 2 years ago. It’s as amicable as it can be, no cheating on either side. I initiated the split and originally exh wanted us to try again but has now accepted it. We both now have partners - I’ve been with someone for just over a year and he’s been with someone nearly half his age for a few months.

Anyway, when we split we agreed we’d alternate Christmas. ExH works over 200 miles away and also often has to work in the states for weeks at a time. I had dc last Christmas but Exh came over for the afternoon as he couldn’t travel anyway due to Covid. This year exh is due to be in the states from early Dec to end of Dec. His suggestion is that I take dc to somewhere in the Caribbean and he comes and joins us with his girlfriend for a few days staying at the same or nearby hotel. I said I wasn’t really comfortable doing that so he said then he’d ask his parents to do it so that he could still have his Christmas with them.

Dc are 5 and 9 so still absolutely love Christmas. I could cope with not having them for Christmas Day but for a whole week I’d feel absolutely bereft. ExH is very good with dc when he’s with them but due to his job I have essentially been a single parent for most of their lives in terms of time spent with them. He would generally only spend 2-3 days a month with us as a family even when we were married.

I’d like to think we could spend Christmas together but it’s not so much exh that I couldn’t tolerate being around, it’s his new girlfriend. She’s 23, an “influencer” and generally just spends her time either photographing herself with my dc/ asking me to photograph her with my dc/ posting photos on Instagram of her with my dc with the caption “family love 💕”/ giggling like a lunatic at whatever exh says, even if it’s something like “the traffic is bad today”/ making incredibly unsubtle “sexy” comments in front of exh.

It probably sounds like I’m jealous of the new girlfriend, maybe I am. I’m certainly jealous that she’s early 20’s, looks amazing and somehow makes money from photos of her arse. But mostly she’s just incredibly annoying.

I don’t know how much time we’d be expected to spend together though. ExH has said he’d like to be there when dc open their stockings and for us all to do a Christmas dinner together. I could cope with just that. I’m just concerned I’d get out there and be expected to spend my days with a 23 year old pretending to be the mother of my kids and end up absolutely blowing my top at her.

Wwyd?

OP posts:
Heronwatcher · 01/10/2021 11:24

I think he should fly to the uk and spend Christmas with them here, if necessary he can rent an Airbnb or they can all go to his parents for the day. No way should you all be forced to fly 9 hours to somewhere you don’t want to go, spend a week with someone you barely know just because he thinks Heathrow might be a bit dodgy (his excuses make no sense BTW, if the airports are dodgy why would he make you and the kids endure them twice?). Also as you say, Christmas is a tricky time for co-parents, he needs to make it easy for you and his kids and let them spend some of the period (Christmas Eve or Boxing Day) with their mum at home.

Heronwatcher · 01/10/2021 11:27

Plus the fact that the kids don’t seem to see him a lot and he’ll have his girlfriend there- they’ll have a crap time and be desperate to see you. If you feel like saying no is too difficult just keep saying sorry that’s not going to work repeatedly until he gets the message.

bigbaggyeyes · 03/10/2021 08:28

It's his time with the dc so it's up to him to decide what he wants to do, if that's a holiday abroad then that's up to him. I know you'll miss them for the week but your year will be next year and you can decide what you want to do. I wouldn't go with them.

I can also see you don't get on with your ex's gf, the insta thing would bother me but it's just another thing you'll have to grin and bear for a while.

GoodnightGrandma · 03/10/2021 08:30

If he can’t have them himself, I wouldn’t be letting anyone else have them, unless it suits you.

RandomMess · 03/10/2021 08:33

It's his Christmas with the DC but that means he collects and drops back to you as with any other contact time.

You taking them to London is one thing, you trekking them out to the Caribbean is ludicrous. The flight and the hassle just no.

Morechocolatethanbarbara · 03/10/2021 11:52

You need to make the DC available for contact on his contact days.

That means the kids are ready to be collected at the start of contact time and you're at home ready for them to be dropped off when it finishes.

Dragging them to the carribean with the airport delays, long flights and hot sun (that they don't do well with) just for their Dad to grace them with a few hours of his presence is ludicrous.

HE chose to work so far away from his DC and he chose an American girlfriend, neither of those issues are yours to resolve.

If he is due to have them Xmas day and Boxing day this year (for example) just say that you're not prepared to do the travelling, or lose out on your contact time with them over Xmas, so they'll be available for collection at X time on Xmas day and you'll be home at Y time on boxing day for them to be dropped off.

All the other details around that are for him to resolve, not you.

You've clearly been dancing to his tune for a long time now, but guess what? He is no longer your husband and you have your own life now without him, so you dance to your own tune and let him worry about his travel arrangements, they're really not your problem to resolve.

TimeToDateAgain · 03/10/2021 12:13

Wrt to girlfriend posting dc on Instagram

Unless she's blurring their faces, I wouldn't permit this. In fact, I'd insist on "no photographs" because I don't understand people who do this.

I'm not sure why you can't pick the venue - somewhere you and the DC would like to visit that is within travel distance for your X and where you won't be concerned about the temperatures. You're going out of your way to facilitate this and I'd hope that your X would be willing to recognise this and compromise.

OhamIreally · 06/10/2021 16:13

What have you decided OP?

AryaStarkWolf · 06/10/2021 16:33

Every second Christmas having the kids is fair if you're in the same country, taking them for the whole of Christmas week isn't. What kind of an access agreement do you have? just one you made yourselves or a court ordered one. I would tell him he can't take them abroad for the whole of Christmas, whether it's his turn for Christmas day or not

Eddielzzard · 06/10/2021 17:12

Getting to London, airport, flight, airport, hanging around for 6 days while he's only available for TWO and then back again? Erm no. It's not your problem. HE doesn't want to do the flight and airport and drive, but is quite happy for you / his parents and the kids to do it. Can see why he's an ex.

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