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Is it going to end in tears?

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ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 20:40

NC. I'll try keep this brief and not drip feed.

Met X online in January - we're both 50. We had 3 Zoom dates and before we'd met in person he told me that he didn't see a romantic future but was interested in friendship if I was. All good for me, we were in lockdown anyway, I was happy to chat and that was that.

When we were allowed to, we started to meet for walks and we continued to communicate by email/whatsapp. All of his communications were very 'warm' and after we'd met twice in person I felt like he was sending mixed messages so reminded him of what he'd said originally and asked him what he actually wanted. He apologised for causing confusion, reiterated his position and said he would really like us to be friends but that was my decision to make. I liked him and enjoyed his company so told him that I was fine with this, no harm done and we carried on. I've always had close male friends so I was happy with this. For the next 4 months we met up regularly (every weekend) for walks and coffees, never more than a hug, lots of open communication and talking about everything and anything. I carried on with online dating and he was dealing with an ex who had resurfaced wanting to give it another go.

Then in June I had a health scare and he stepped up in a way I didn't anticipate or expect. He was concerned, ringing me daily to check on me, diarising my hospital appointments so that he could check on how they went and generally kind and thoughtful about being a listening ear. Then he went to Europe for the summer (home country) and was away for 2 months. I thought that him being away for so long so early on would mean that the friendship would fizzle but instead it strengthened, he rang several times a week, FaceTimed me to introduce me to family and friends and was generally attentive and available. Our friendship grew from strength to strength and we confided in each other about stuff that was going on. He shared his past relationship/commitment issues and told me that he was in therapy to deal with it. We both shared how much we were looking forward to catching up when he was back.

He got back this week and we met up the other night. It was amazing/awful. I felt like there was a huge amount of sexual tension and I'm so disappointed. Several times in the evening he did that thing where he held eye contact for longer than necessary and at one point he held it for so long I had to look away and felt really uncomfortable. But it surfaced strong feelings that I don't want and I now can't get him out of my head and don't know what to do. I want to have him as a friend - I don't want to being his next casualty (he has a string of failed relationships behind him). What doesn't help is that he's also very attractive. For the first time since we met I felt awkward in his company and I don't know what to do about it. I know he doesn't want more than friendship, and I also know that he really values our friendship and wouldn't want to do anything to jeopardise it. I'm tempted to talk to him about the other night - we communicate very well and to-date no topic has been off limits - but I'm worried about making things awkward if I imagined the 'frisson' and he didn't feel it. Help! What would you do? We're meeting up again on Sunday.

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FWBNC · 24/09/2021 20:44

Oh blimey. Any chance his therapy is allowing him to leave the past in the past & consider a romantic/sexual relationship with you?

GreenestValley · 24/09/2021 20:47

It sounds like he is emotionally unavailable. Generally I don’t think “friendships” that begin as dating really work. Why would you want to see a man who you’ve just met but aren’t romantically involved with, every single weekend for months?

Honestly I think you’d be better of putting time and energy into someone you might actually have a future with.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 20:48

@FWBNC

Oh blimey. Any chance his therapy is allowing him to leave the past in the past & consider a romantic/sexual relationship with you?
I don't think so as he's only had 3 sessions and he's alluded to them covering childhood/family influences mostly.
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ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 20:52

@GreenestValley

It sounds like he is emotionally unavailable. Generally I don’t think “friendships” that begin as dating really work. Why would you want to see a man who you’ve just met but aren’t romantically involved with, every single weekend for months?

Honestly I think you’d be better of putting time and energy into someone you might actually have a future with.

This is interesting. The point is that we met on a dating site but never actually 'dated' as the first month we were in lockdown so we were just chatting on Zoom. Nothing has ever happened between us and we'd moved to the friend zone pretty quickly. So OLD just served as an intro. He's definitely looking for a relationship but for some reason (that I'm not sure about) he made a snap decision that were weren't romantically compatible at the start (before we'd even met in person) and we've progressed on a platonic basis since then. I was fine with this - I've done the same thing to numerous men.
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SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 20:55

I'm tempted to talk to him about the other night

I wouldn't, men ate generally v good at pursuing romantic & sexual.things if they want to. Leave it up to him.

Also if he pursues something I'd be extremely cautious given his relationship history.

If you can't see him platonically (who it sounds like) I'd also cool off from.rge friendship gradually- because youre just going to get very hurt if he hooks up with someone else, or sleeps with you abd then doesn't pursue a relationship.

GreenestValley · 24/09/2021 20:55

But why do you want to use OLD to make friends at all? This is what I’m saying, I’m a bit sceptical about it as a channel to make long term, platonic connections. A social circle consisting of a bunch of men who I know on a 1-1 basis from dates that didn’t work out, sounds sub optimal to me. Apart from anything else, they’re taking up time you could be meeting genuine romantic prospects.

SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 20:56

*which it sounds like

GreenestValley · 24/09/2021 20:56

And taking up time you could be spending with friends you have based on shared history, shared experiences, shared interests… etc. All your other and perhaps more long lasting and meaningful friendships.

PaddleBoardingMomma · 24/09/2021 21:00

That's a tricky one, I'm sorry you must be feeling really frustrated with how it's taken a turn? Personally, it sounds like he doesn't know what he wants himself I think. Maybe he tells himself he does but his actions don't seem to match his words. Oddly, when that happens it's usually for the worse isn't it, guys promising the world and delivering nothing... this is the other way round and that's really unusual. He's delivering more than you'd expect in a nice way as a baseline, adding in sexual tension to that and frankly my mind would be fried if it was me.

SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 21:00

You sound like you fancy him too much to be friends (and you also sound like youre catching feelings). It's masochistic to try to be friends with someone in those circumstances.

As another poster said, there's also the issue of spending (wasting) too much time and energy on this "friendship" which should be spent spent tryimg to meerthe partner you're on old to meet.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 21:01

@SleepingBunnies21

I'm tempted to talk to him about the other night

I wouldn't, men ate generally v good at pursuing romantic & sexual.things if they want to. Leave it up to him.

Also if he pursues something I'd be extremely cautious given his relationship history.

If you can't see him platonically (who it sounds like) I'd also cool off from.rge friendship gradually- because youre just going to get very hurt if he hooks up with someone else, or sleeps with you abd then doesn't pursue a relationship.

The point is that I don't want to pursue anything more than friendship with him. I want to have him as a friend and I have been dating other people (which he knows about). I think you're right though...it will hurt a bit when he meets someone else...because I'll have less of his time...but I'll get over it. I've been in this situation before as I have a lot of male friends. I'm just so disappointed that these feelings for him have surfaced. I want to wind back the clock. And there's no chance of sleeping with him. Hook ups aren't his style or mine.
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ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 21:04

@SleepingBunnies21

You sound like you fancy him too much to be friends (and you also sound like youre catching feelings). It's masochistic to try to be friends with someone in those circumstances.

As another poster said, there's also the issue of spending (wasting) too much time and energy on this "friendship" which should be spent spent tryimg to meerthe partner you're on old to meet.

Sadly I think this may now be true. I didn't realise that I fancied him until we saw each other this week as we haven't been face to face since July. And he's now taking up all my head space :(
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SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 21:05

All of his communications were very 'warm' and after we'd met twice in person I felt like he was sending mixed messages so reminded him of what he'd said originally and asked him what he actually wanted. He apologised for causing confusion, reiterated his position and said he would really like us to be friends but that was my decision to make

He sounds naturally/default quite flirtatious; again friendship is not really possible with someone like this unless you have pretty much no attraction or feelings for them.

B1rdflyinghigh · 24/09/2021 21:10

Say how you feel, say it's not a good idea to see him again. If he's interested he'll run towards you. Then you lay down the boundaries.

SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 21:12

To answer your post title;

Yes, yours.

Sorry.

Either withdraw/cool gradually, wean yourself off him, put effort into meeting potential.partners through old and hobbies etc.

Leave it up to him to say if he feels differently now; men are rarely shrinking violets when they want a woman, they generally make a move.

If you really want to ve proactive and never have to wonder about what might have been- you could ask him (again) if you feels differently now, and stop trying trying be friends, but that'd be more cringy and painful than a dignified withdrawal on your part.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 21:15

@SleepingBunnies21

All of his communications were very 'warm' and after we'd met twice in person I felt like he was sending mixed messages so reminded him of what he'd said originally and asked him what he actually wanted. He apologised for causing confusion, reiterated his position and said he would really like us to be friends but that was my decision to make

He sounds naturally/default quite flirtatious; again friendship is not really possible with someone like this unless you have pretty much no attraction or feelings for them.

He's not actually flirtatious, but he is very caring and attentive which is quite intoxicating. I can see that now, I just don't know how to get out of this without cutting ties. I am dating other people but I've also now realised that I've been measuring others against him.
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SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 21:15

He shared his past relationship/commitment issues

Has he ever committed to a relationship?

How did that end?

(Bearing in mind he's probably not going to volunteer anything very unflattering to himself).

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 21:18

@SleepingBunnies21

To answer your post title;

Yes, yours.

Sorry.

Either withdraw/cool gradually, wean yourself off him, put effort into meeting potential.partners through old and hobbies etc.

Leave it up to him to say if he feels differently now; men are rarely shrinking violets when they want a woman, they generally make a move.

If you really want to ve proactive and never have to wonder about what might have been- you could ask him (again) if you feels differently now, and stop trying trying be friends, but that'd be more cringy and painful than a dignified withdrawal on your part.

Leave it up to him to say if he feels differently now; men are rarely shrinking violets when they want a woman, they generally make a move.

This is good advice.

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SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 21:18

He's not actually flirtatious, but he is very caring and attentive which is quite intoxicating.

Europeans could seem a bit warmer than many British men; also probably hotter (looks wise).than many Britush men Grin.

No really a level.playimg field.

No wonder comparisons are not favourable.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 21:20

@SleepingBunnies21

He shared his past relationship/commitment issues

Has he ever committed to a relationship?

How did that end?

(Bearing in mind he's probably not going to volunteer anything very unflattering to himself).

On the contrary he's been very open about how he's been the problem in all his past relationships. That he struggles to get past the honeymooon phase and settle into domesticity.

I genuinely don't want a relationship with him. But I don't want these feelings either. I want to go back to how things were and just have someone to hang out with / confide in (I know that that sounds like a relationship without sex :().

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THisbackwithavengeance · 24/09/2021 21:22

He knows you fancy him and you are feeding his ego by being around.

He actually sounds like a nice person and but he is clouding your horizon and making you emotionally unavailable for anyone else. I'm not saying block him but I would not see him on a regular basis even as a friend.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 21:22

@SleepingBunnies21

He's not actually flirtatious, but he is very caring and attentive which is quite intoxicating.

Europeans could seem a bit warmer than many British men; also probably hotter (looks wise).than many Britush men Grin.

No really a level.playimg field.

No wonder comparisons are not favourable.

YES!! I've thought many times that it's a cultural thing. He's very unlike (most) British men
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SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 21:23

But .. he's hit you with the friends line twice now.
I wouldn't give him a third opportunity, I'm sure he knows you like him (as potentially more than a friend), let him change the dynamic if he wants to.

I'd concentrate on meeting others and building up social connections, give him less air time. He's only a "mate" after all, unless he indicates otherwise and acts consistently in that vein.

SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 21:26

That he struggles to get past the honeymooon phase and settle into domesticity.

OK, having read this, I wouldn't even let him try to change the dynamic if he wants to .. he sounds like a poor bet for a relationship of any type. Other than fwb perhaps. Even then.so many women catch feelings in Fwb situations.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 21:28

@THisbackwithavengeance

He knows you fancy him and you are feeding his ego by being around.

He actually sounds like a nice person and but he is clouding your horizon and making you emotionally unavailable for anyone else. I'm not saying block him but I would not see him on a regular basis even as a friend.

I actually think the opposite is the case. I think he's genuinely oblivious to the effect he has on people. From anecdotes he's shared in conversation I think he's one of those people that others just warm to (male and female).
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