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Is it going to end in tears?

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ItsGoingToEndInTears · 24/09/2021 20:40

NC. I'll try keep this brief and not drip feed.

Met X online in January - we're both 50. We had 3 Zoom dates and before we'd met in person he told me that he didn't see a romantic future but was interested in friendship if I was. All good for me, we were in lockdown anyway, I was happy to chat and that was that.

When we were allowed to, we started to meet for walks and we continued to communicate by email/whatsapp. All of his communications were very 'warm' and after we'd met twice in person I felt like he was sending mixed messages so reminded him of what he'd said originally and asked him what he actually wanted. He apologised for causing confusion, reiterated his position and said he would really like us to be friends but that was my decision to make. I liked him and enjoyed his company so told him that I was fine with this, no harm done and we carried on. I've always had close male friends so I was happy with this. For the next 4 months we met up regularly (every weekend) for walks and coffees, never more than a hug, lots of open communication and talking about everything and anything. I carried on with online dating and he was dealing with an ex who had resurfaced wanting to give it another go.

Then in June I had a health scare and he stepped up in a way I didn't anticipate or expect. He was concerned, ringing me daily to check on me, diarising my hospital appointments so that he could check on how they went and generally kind and thoughtful about being a listening ear. Then he went to Europe for the summer (home country) and was away for 2 months. I thought that him being away for so long so early on would mean that the friendship would fizzle but instead it strengthened, he rang several times a week, FaceTimed me to introduce me to family and friends and was generally attentive and available. Our friendship grew from strength to strength and we confided in each other about stuff that was going on. He shared his past relationship/commitment issues and told me that he was in therapy to deal with it. We both shared how much we were looking forward to catching up when he was back.

He got back this week and we met up the other night. It was amazing/awful. I felt like there was a huge amount of sexual tension and I'm so disappointed. Several times in the evening he did that thing where he held eye contact for longer than necessary and at one point he held it for so long I had to look away and felt really uncomfortable. But it surfaced strong feelings that I don't want and I now can't get him out of my head and don't know what to do. I want to have him as a friend - I don't want to being his next casualty (he has a string of failed relationships behind him). What doesn't help is that he's also very attractive. For the first time since we met I felt awkward in his company and I don't know what to do about it. I know he doesn't want more than friendship, and I also know that he really values our friendship and wouldn't want to do anything to jeopardise it. I'm tempted to talk to him about the other night - we communicate very well and to-date no topic has been off limits - but I'm worried about making things awkward if I imagined the 'frisson' and he didn't feel it. Help! What would you do? We're meeting up again on Sunday.

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ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 09:46

@cheeseismydownfall

I don't think that appearing to be open and talking about "everything and anything" is the same thing as being emotionally available. At all.

I've known several people over my life who like to appear as incredibly open and candid, it is almost like they make it their personal brand. And superficially they can appear caring when the intensity of the friendship happens to suit them. But actually it is a very complex act, and other people are really just mirrors to reflect their own love of taking about themselves.

Of course might be completely wrong about this guy, but to me, "emotionally availability" is a quiet, gentle quality that grows slowly over a long time between two close friends or partners.

Good point re emotional availability.
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Sleepyhungryfattyanddoc · 25/09/2021 10:23

He’s just playing with you
You’re on his hook, he gets to hang out with someone and have fun, make no commitment And to feel liked/wanted/fancied

He knows you like him. I know you’ve said he doesn’t, but I think that’s naive
He is doing things like locking eyes with you, on purpose

I’m sure he likes you but this will never go anywhere, and it will damage your self esteem
Just extract yourself, see if he ups the flirting levels, if he does you know for sure that’s what’s happening

Sakurami · 25/09/2021 10:32

No op. I think you've been follong yourself all this time. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting on here. If he was just a mate then none of this would be an issue.

And how is he so physically unavailable when he has so much contact with you?? That's bullshit.

And someone who plays with your feelings is not emotionally available, no matter how he's dressed it.

He's messing with you and you are filling yourself. Up to you if you want to continue this but now is your chance to open your eyes and see him and you for what it really is.

Sakurami · 25/09/2021 10:33

Fooling not follong or filling

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 10:38

@Sakurami

No op. I think you've been follong yourself all this time. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting on here. If he was just a mate then none of this would be an issue.

And how is he so physically unavailable when he has so much contact with you?? That's bullshit.

And someone who plays with your feelings is not emotionally available, no matter how he's dressed it.

He's messing with you and you are filling yourself. Up to you if you want to continue this but now is your chance to open your eyes and see him and you for what it really is.

Brutal!

He's definitely messing with me but I maintain that I don't believe it's conscious/intentional. I think I've made myself too available and he's enjoying the ride. That's about to change!

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AgentJohnson · 25/09/2021 10:44

Your friendship was pretty intense and having to remind someone who was only looking for friendship that your relationship was platonic, says a lot.

The intensity and frequency has contributed to this dynamic. You must admit that there was an inevitability to your current circumstance.

What should you do? Step back, re-access and ask yourself what you really want. If you want a relationship, tell him, if you don’t, walk away.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 10:50

@AgentJohnson

Your friendship was pretty intense and having to remind someone who was only looking for friendship that your relationship was platonic, says a lot.

The intensity and frequency has contributed to this dynamic. You must admit that there was an inevitability to your current circumstance.

What should you do? Step back, re-access and ask yourself what you really want. If you want a relationship, tell him, if you don’t, walk away.

Yep, acknowledged.

I don't want a relationship with him so I will be retreating gracefully....

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MuffinsAreJustCakesAtBreakfast · 25/09/2021 11:44

I am going to sound so cynical but this is clear as day to me.

He is not interested in you but wants you to fancy him and be a bit cuckoo about him (and why not it makes him feel good!)

Up to you how you proceed re keeping him in or out of your life.

Just know that that's what he is doing with all this frisson, and tension and lingering gazes and intimate convos....it's beautifully orchestrated really when you think about it. And it seems to be working quite well from his point of view because here you are starting a thread on umsnet about him.

Just be careful and look after yourself and your heart x

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 11:57

@MuffinsAreJustCakesAtBreakfast

I am going to sound so cynical but this is clear as day to me.

He is not interested in you but wants you to fancy him and be a bit cuckoo about him (and why not it makes him feel good!)

Up to you how you proceed re keeping him in or out of your life.

Just know that that's what he is doing with all this frisson, and tension and lingering gazes and intimate convos....it's beautifully orchestrated really when you think about it. And it seems to be working quite well from his point of view because here you are starting a thread on umsnet about him.

Just be careful and look after yourself and your heart x

I can absolutely see why it looks like that from what I've told you. It certainly hasn't felt 'orchestrated' at any stage and as I've said, I lean towards cynicism naturally.

I accept that I've turned a blind eye to the building feelings and because he was away for so long it crept up on me and hit me like a truck when I saw him again (his 'presence' just compounded everything).

I am currently building a wall around my heart....just for now not for everyone.

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ImitationofBeing · 25/09/2021 12:26

Sounds like he likes/needs to feel in control. Be No.1 in your life.

Book your diary out with lots of other activities/friends for the next few months to give yourself a breather from his intensity.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 12:31

@ImitationofBeing

Sounds like he likes/needs to feel in control. Be No.1 in your life.

Book your diary out with lots of other activities/friends for the next few months to give yourself a breather from his intensity.

This is exactly what I'm going to do...
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AnaViaSalamanca · 25/09/2021 13:10

I had a similar, albeit short lived experience like this. It’s weird and confusing. I think these men want the “girlfriend experience” with you but not a full relationship. I am quite sure he has sexual issues, either performance wise, or would be into non-mainstream sex amd wouldn’t be satisfied with a committed monogamous relationship. He might even be a closeted homosexual.

I am also pretty sure you are not the first or the only female friend he has. He just wants the validation. Avoid avoid avoid.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 19:14

@AnaViaSalamanca

I had a similar, albeit short lived experience like this. It’s weird and confusing. I think these men want the “girlfriend experience” with you but not a full relationship. I am quite sure he has sexual issues, either performance wise, or would be into non-mainstream sex amd wouldn’t be satisfied with a committed monogamous relationship. He might even be a closeted homosexual.

I am also pretty sure you are not the first or the only female friend he has. He just wants the validation. Avoid avoid avoid.

This is really interesting insight, something that had never occurred to me. The closet homosexual in particular. While I think he's open minded enough to accept homosexuality, he comes from a small, very conservative European village where that would definitely be frowned upon. And he has a LOT of female friends. Hmm...
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FangsForTheMemory · 25/09/2021 20:13

Are you sure he's not gay and using you for cover with his family?

FangsForTheMemory · 25/09/2021 20:14

Sorry, cross-post - I got distracted and forgot to read to the end. My bad.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 20:29

@FangsForTheMemory

Are you sure he's not gay and using you for cover with his family?
As mentioned it hadn't occurred to me until now. Interestingly he made a big thing of introducing me to his mother, brother and best friend over FaceTime. What I don't know is what he's told them about our relationship but I'm pretty sure he hasn't told them that I'm his girlfriend.

I don't want to get into the "well if he's not interested in me he must be gay" space but I will look more carefully for any signs.

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Notmoresugar · 25/09/2021 20:33

I think this is all about him, his arrogance, ego and insecurity.

He wants to know if he can still hook you.

Don't fall for it.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 20:44

Thanks everyone for the thoughts and input. I feel a lot calmer and clearer am now seeing the situation without rose tinted glasses. I can't lay it all at his door as I've allowed the situation to get this intense knowing that he didn't want more. He's just taken what I've given. That will change!

I'm meeting him tomorrow (pre arranged) and am interested to see what the dynamic will be like after the other night.

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SleepingBunnies21 · 25/09/2021 21:03

but I will look more carefully for any signs.

Kylie Minogue concerts....

The upside is that she is apparently very good live, and has a lot of catchy, danceable songs.

Wink
SleepingBunnies21 · 25/09/2021 21:07

"well if he's not interested in me he must be gay"

Has he ever been married or in a serious, LTR incidentally?
Any kids?

If he is gay or bi, maybe he can bring himself to invilce himself and a woman in the ultimate farce of marriage/ltr and family. Which would make him way better than a man who uses a woman as a full on beard I suppose.

Incidentally i do know some gat men who have significant friendships wity women who people who don't know they are gay presumably are their partners. I know some of the women have been confused by it too.

SleepingBunnies21 · 25/09/2021 21:10

I also know gay men who show noticeable tension and some sort of attraction around women (like eye fucking attractive women) which can be very confusing.

SleepingBunnies21 · 25/09/2021 21:11

I suppose they're bi, but opt for same sex partnerships, who knows.

ItsGoingToEndInTears · 25/09/2021 21:12

@SleepingBunnies21

"well if he's not interested in me he must be gay"

Has he ever been married or in a serious, LTR incidentally?
Any kids?

If he is gay or bi, maybe he can bring himself to invilce himself and a woman in the ultimate farce of marriage/ltr and family. Which would make him way better than a man who uses a woman as a full on beard I suppose.

Incidentally i do know some gat men who have significant friendships wity women who people who don't know they are gay presumably are their partners. I know some of the women have been confused by it too.

Never married, never wanted children, never lived with anyone.
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SleepingBunnies21 · 25/09/2021 21:20

This dude has ishoos. (Especially given he's not socially awkward in the slightest and had no bother meeting partners).

What they are ... you may never fully find out.

By his age most gay men have come out to their close friends, and have usually had a partner or two; even if they cover it up with their family. But...who knows.

SleepingBunnies21 · 25/09/2021 21:26

Maybe he's in denial.

Has relationships with women but never let's them progress.

On dating sites for women but tells them he wants to be friends only quite quickly. (Most heterosexual men I know don't even bother pursuing friendships with women in that context. They're on to date, get into a relationship, have sex etc. And if that ain't happening for whatever reason they don't "waste" time forging friendships with the women).

He has tonnes of female friends.

He's not the hook up type...(not many men aren't the hook up type if a woman they're attacked to offers the opportunity) I now have a different perspective on that.

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