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Another sex one... can it be ok to stay? Has anyone ever found a way back?

146 replies

Baseballkitten · 12/09/2021 13:22

DH and I are currently seeing Relate, we’ve not been operating as a couple for years and years - I have had the dc unilaterally and he’s carried on as if more or less single.
Three areas at Relate are: time as couple, communication and sex.

I am basically only here for the dc although I care about Dh. I can’t decide if I’d miss him or if it would be missing the family unit and the safety and familiarity. He used to be away for work for a couple of weeks at a time and I didn’t ever miss him but I suppose that’s not the same thing.

We’ve had a really poor sex life for a very long time and we were at six years and counting. However since we sort of hit crisis point and started seeing Relate DH is trying to initiate sex quite frequently - and I still don’t want to. I can’t imagine ever wanting to, but that seems a really awful thing to say. A few times I’ve just gone along with it because I know it must be hurtful to DH and also I can feel it makes him angry, which is reasonable as rejection is hurtful.
But when we do have sex I try and work out how few times I can get away with kissing him. How quickly I can make it be over. Afterwards i usually feel really upset.
I can only ever see me being in a place where I tolerate sex with DH, at best. It makes me feel dread - when he does the whole ‘let’s get the dc to bed early and have an early night’ I feel dread and resignation in equal parts.

But I want to keep my family together. I don’t know what to do about this. I genuinely can’t see it changing but I suppose I hope that it will. There’s never been much of a spark from my side I suppose and we’ve been together for nearly 20 years and married for 15. DH is a perfectly nice looking man - and yet, and yet, intimacy with him feels weird and uncomfortable to me. Kissing him makes me feel awful, I don’t decide it, my body just goes nope. The thought of oral sex with him is absolutely no, but luckily (I suppose) he’s never liked giving and so has never done that. I might possibly be able to make myself give but receiving would be an absolute no now. Years ago I would have liked him to but never really discussed it as I knew he didn’t like it, which again is fair enough.

Sorry, that was long.
Is there a possible way forwards? I am not asexual or anything, I just don’t fancy DH I suppose, but it is more than that.
I know logically the options are:
Stay and keep having sex I don’t want and hope it improves.
Stay and tell DH I can’t have sex with him again - he wouldn’t want to open the marriage and nor would I really. I think it could be messy. I appreciate if I don’t want sex with him he is entitled to leave to find someone else.
Or just accept the marriage is over and leave.

There are dc involved here too.

OP posts:
Baseballkitten · 12/09/2021 17:38

I don’t want it to be over, I am trying to feel better about it and I want to get there.
I am worried it’s not possible.

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AveryGoodlay · 12/09/2021 18:26

I don't think some people realise how selfish they are staying for the kids/staying together in situations where children are involved.

I remember begging my parents to split up. I asked them why they were staying "for us" because I wasn't going to thank them for my siblings and I being forced to live in such an atmosphere.

You're staying because you can't be arsed to split up and/or can't imagine life without being married. What you're doing now will be so much more harmful to your children than an amicable separation.

Baseballkitten · 12/09/2021 18:30

My children want us to stay together.
I briefly moved out last year and both of them said they wanted us together.
I know it’s not their decision, but they definitely aren’t desperate for us to split.

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PermanentTemporary · 12/09/2021 18:34

I'm not sure. I think feelings can change but it's hard to imagine you coming back from such an absolute shutdown.

Once again amazed at all the men who check out of childrearing, this extreme and central experience, and yet expect women to feel exactly the same about their lives together.

AveryGoodlay · 12/09/2021 18:37

Did you move out with them? Do you not think they'll feel incredibly guilty about that when they're older because you and their father could have been happy apart rather than miserable together?
Does he do a fair share of parenting?

You say you don't want it to be over...why? What positive things does he add to your life?

Baseballkitten · 12/09/2021 18:47

Yes, we moved out briefly but ended up going back. DH is better with the children since we started seeing Relate but has spent a long time opting out.
I think I became wife and mum and that’s it. I was pretty burnt out because I didn’t get any time or space without the dc.

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AveryGoodlay · 12/09/2021 18:57

Dont feel lile you have to respond/react to any of the questions I ask by the way! Why did you decide to go back? Do you have a good support network?

Do you talk about the relationship outside of counselling? It may be the case that you need a different counsellor for the sex part of the relationship.

Please stop having sex you don't want, it will damage you psychologically immensely. If he gets angry about it you're having coerced sex and we all know the name for that.

I would have got rid of him years ago though for being a bad parent!

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 12/09/2021 19:00

Option 3. Of course.

Baseballkitten · 12/09/2021 19:07

I decided to go back because it felt too much and we had nowhere else to live longer term.
I’m trying to process the wanting to stop and simultaneously not being able to. My brain is struggling with it quite a lot. I keep thinking the sex will get better but it doesn’t.

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Jerseygirl12 · 12/09/2021 19:15

Have you ever enjoyed sex with your DH?

Baseballkitten · 12/09/2021 19:16

Not really. I can’t really remember. I think early on it was ok but it’s not been great for a long long time, but it was ok enough that I could tolerate it and now I can’t. 😬😬

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 12/09/2021 19:28

I want to save the marriage - so why can’t I?

Because you still want "the marriage" but you don't want the man you're married to.

There’s never been much of a spark from my side I suppose

No amount of counselling can make a spark appear out of nowhere.

He used to be away for work for a couple of weeks at a time and I didn’t ever miss him but I suppose that’s not the same thing.

It's very similar. You are just as happy when he's not there.

Stay and tell DH I can’t have sex with him again

Do this. He will probably tell you to piss off but at least you'll be moving forward and not stuck in this grim version of cloud cuckoo land. Actually be honest - tell him you don't want to have sex with him, not now and probably never again. Sure, I understand that you would like to want sex with him, you want something to happen so that you will start wanting sex with him, but that's not the same thing. Nothing is going to happen that will make you want him. The truth is simply that you don't want to have sex with him any more and really he needs to know that. At the moment you are pretending to want sex (or at least you are pretending not to dislike sex with him as much as you do) That's not healthy for you and it's not fair on him.

thelegohooverer · 12/09/2021 19:43

What would “saving the marriage” feel like/look like?

Please be careful re sex. What you are doing is very dangerous for your emotional health.

Redruby2020 · 12/09/2021 23:03

@thelegohooverer

What would “saving the marriage” feel like/look like?

Please be careful re sex. What you are doing is very dangerous for your emotional health.

I agree
NashvilleQueen · 12/09/2021 23:10

Did you enjoy sex with other people before you met DH?

Can you imagine yourself having sex with anyone in the future?

Do you have a sex drive?

You can't be happy. It's not a happy life you're describing. It's putting up with and soldiering on for the sake of the family. You're sacrificing years of your life when you could each be happy co-parenting but going your separate ways.

Ariela · 12/09/2021 23:43

Do you think your DH has made the effort to woo you? is it more that he's not tried to romance you and make you feel wanted as opposed to feeling it's just the sex that's missing from your relationship so solve that problem and you're back on track?

finefatmama · 13/09/2021 05:41

What you're describing is somewhat close to the norm in some cultures apparently and I heard a talk where it was said that kissing was a Western thing and not a common show of affection in the global majority so maybe some restraint is possible. Maybe you're gay, asexual or graysexual or maybe this relationship isn't doing it for you and you will be swept off your feet by a different person. It doesn't sound that miserable to me if that's what you really want.

As long as you have explored options and are sure that it's what you really want.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 13/09/2021 05:58

There's nothing to saveConfused

Start putting a proper plan in place to split up.

Yarnandneedles · 13/09/2021 06:21

Children learn about relationships by watching how their parents interact. Your relationship is broken- this is what they will grow up believing to be normal, and they are likely to carry this into their own relationships. Children miss nothing, however much you think you are hiding from them.

Bagelsandbrie · 13/09/2021 06:25

The children don’t know any different to you being together so how could they possibly know what they want? You leaving for a short while is not the same thing as properly being separated and building a new life for yourself. You can’t live your life at the mercy of what your children say they want.

Kwackerly · 13/09/2021 06:36

Your body is saying no, thats why it feels so wrong. You can't talk yourself into a sexual relationship if you have no desire for the other person. I agree it is very dangerous your your mental health to keep forcing yourself to have sex, and you need to start working together towards separation.

jay55 · 13/09/2021 06:40

The marriage you want to save, is not the marriage you have. You do not want to live like this forever.

DoesHePlayTheFiddle · 13/09/2021 06:41

afterwards I feel really upset
That might be because you are being coerced into having sex you don't want. And into agreeing to it.

gamerchick · 13/09/2021 06:50

Once you don't want them touching you it's game over OP.

Stop having sex with him if it's making you feel like that. Tell him you won't be any more and not to ask.

Baseballkitten · 13/09/2021 06:55

I know if a friend were telling me this I would be giving similar advice, I’m just finding it so difficult because I don’t want to split up. I want to be able to go back to the point where I could tolerate it even if I never really wanted it - it was ok. And lots of my friends talk about not wanting sex with their partners so it doesn’t seem out of the ordinary.

It’s just now it’s more than being ambivalent to it, it’s actively not wanting it.

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