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Dm and DD had a right go at me

105 replies

whatisforteamum · 12/09/2021 08:04

Dd is visiting which she does a couple of times a yr as she lives hundreds of miles away.
She wanted to visit my dm as df died 4 yrs ago and we took gifts.I was exhausted but decided to make the effort.
All good.
I don't visit dm too much now as I work long hours and she is mentally exhausting and v critical and I'm having therapy already.
We got onto the subject of health and dying and they started saying 8 yrs ago I should've gone in the ambulance with dh when I got home to find him unwell at midnight.
I pointed out it ws a shock to get in after 12 hr day the dcs were teens and I said I would follow on by car.Dh said he didn't mind if I didn't go and look after dcs.
Dm was saying they could ve had them ( elderly and both parents had been through chemo).
This developed into an almighty row.I have work today thankfully and dd is staying another 2 days.
They just kept saying what if dh had died.He didn't.
I feel v hurt that they are judging me on something soon many yrs ago and don't know how dh speaks to me either.
Dd said our recent mini break dh was probably like my carer and he would need a break after taking me

Sorry for the rant I just can't believe 2 family members are putting the boot in, well I can from dm as she always has.

OP posts:
sosickofthisshit · 12/09/2021 20:32

You DD is an adult so I'd kick her out, and tell her you're not going to be disrespected in your own home.

Dillydollydingdong · 12/09/2021 20:44

The whole situation is a nightmare, but you can't put up with it any longer OP. Tell daughter to go, and you'll wait for her to apologise. And you need a serious talk with dh. He needs to support you. You are entitled to expect that and if he can't give it, what's the point of carrying on?

Notaroadrunner · 12/09/2021 20:52

Tell dd to piss off back to her own house and if Dh tries to stick up for her, he can piss off with her.

Anotherbrokenairer · 12/09/2021 20:54

As she's so big and mature she can book herself a hotel for the night and leave asap and if dh objects he can bugger off with her. I'm shocked for you, what a poisonous environment to be in.

Anotherbrokenairer · 12/09/2021 20:55

@Notaroadrunner
Lol xpost

neonjumper · 12/09/2021 20:57

Your DH sounds like he is fuelling this as well. He is painting you as the bad guy and appears to be quietly lapping the fractious relationship up.

From what you've written , your husband is not your champion ... he seems to have sided with your other and your posts give the impression he is enjoying you being berated , insulted and being the family scapegoat.

If I was in your position I'd reevaluate my relationship with him , reduce contact with the mother and tell your daughter she does not get to bully and harass you .

AthenaPopodopolous · 12/09/2021 20:58

Folly a deux OP. Let them carry and but tell your daughter in no uncertain terms that you feel hurt and expect better of her when she returns home with you.

OverTheRubicon · 12/09/2021 21:07

It sounds like there is also so much other back story. While they shouldn't have had a go and it sounds like your mum has behaved awfully, I can imagine a situation where your DD is trying to tell you (badly) of her worried about your MH issues taking precedence in your life and overwhelming your ability to be part of the family or her mum, and this coming up. It's very unusual to leave a loved alone in a hospital like that, and I can imagine how it might play on your daughter's mind. She'd have to assume for her too, your anxiety about driving might be more real and urgent than your loved one's physical pain and fear, or risk of them dying alone. I have a family member like this, and when you realise they're not showing up, it's like a part of you dies.

(And this isn't just going in the ambulance, it's also about not driving, or calling your mother or a friend for a lift and/or staying with the teens, or taking a taxi).

You also haven't said why your DD might say that your DH is 'like a carer' for you on holiday. Is this down to the panic attacks that stop you driving or managing crowds and other mh issues?

Also I'm setting so many boundaries at work too that I am almost alone. Are you having issues there too?

Clearly they shouldn't take this approach, and if you have any access to counselling either as part of your MH treatment, though a work EAP programme or something else, you deserve and need support. They can also help work on boundaries whether that means cutting your mum off, or also adjusting boundaries if they're making you isolated at work, or not seeing your own DD's stress from being in a toxic situation. Noone should have to live like this, and I hope you can work your way through it.

whatisforteamum · 12/09/2021 21:16

Yes I have had panic disorder or partially meno symptoms that have totally stopped me driving.
The bit about dh being my carer is just a low blow tbh.
I have therapy by phone this week.
I used to be able to drive away from any ridiculous situations.
Now I can't.

OP posts:
Changechangychange · 12/09/2021 21:34

Not visiting at all was great, but I can well imagine DH doing something similar - he would freeze, and spend all night having a panic attack under the duvet instead of getting DS up and booking a taxi. It’s just who he is and how he deals with things (ie he doesn’t).

It was 8 years ago, and the time to bring it up was then. It sounds like your daughter harbours a lot of resentment towards you, for whatever reason (might be reasonable might be unreasonable, impossible to tell). She is dealing with this resentment like a stroppy toddler.

I’d reconsider my relationship with my DH if he didn’t stick up for me, but I’d also send my DD home if she came round to visit and spent her time sitting in my living room insulting me.

Honestly the whole thing sounds like a complete mess. I’d consider moving out, and deciding what you want to do in the long term after you’ve had a bit of space from them all.

whatisforteamum · 12/09/2021 21:55

Honestly I would love to changechangychange.

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BudrosBudrosGalli · 12/09/2021 21:55

Think it is time for your DD to leave. Do not put up with this abuse.

kweeble · 12/09/2021 22:05

I really feel for you - they’re all bullying you and you should feel safe at home. No wonder you’re ill when you work so hard yet are treated so poorly by those who should care for you.
Explore whether you would be happier on your own. You deserve much better.

Cherrysoup · 12/09/2021 22:30

@whatisforteamum

UPDATE. I spoke to dd who instantly said we were done with the subject raised her voice . She called me a dickhead in front of dh who didn't say a word. I was furious as No one should call a parent a dickhead ever or swear at them. Later I asked for an apology which she begrudgingly gave after dd and dh took their roast meals upstairs!! They came back down.dd is slagging me off to ds knowing it is my house and I cannot get away. I honestly cannot believe such bad behaviour or complete lack of support from any of them. Shocking.
Tell her to leave. It’s your house, not hers. If she wants to visit again, tell her to stay at her dgm’s. Why is she being such a cow? Why on earth is an incident from 8 years ago being raised?
neonjumper · 12/09/2021 22:42

So what's your next step OP?
Are you scared of your DD if you ask her to leave ?

I really think your DH/DD are a big part of the cause of your stress and health issues .

You need to get rid of her ... she is beginning to draw your DS into the toxic scapegoating .

This is your chance to stop the cycle of toxicity.

QueenBee52 · 13/09/2021 03:59

Why are you allowing this ? why are you waiting on someone else fixing this for you ?

Clearly nobody gives a rats ass about you in your house so Grab the Bull by the horns and get it out..

Today

RantyAunty · 13/09/2021 04:25

The only amount of a acceptable abuse is none.
Tell your DD to pack her things and go.
That you won't be disrespected and abused by anyone.
She's free to visit your DM all she wants to on her own.
I have a feeling your mh will improve immensely distancing yourself from these toxic people, including your husband.

I wouldn't bother talking to them explaining you were hurt by their comments nor tell them about your depression.
Theyre adults. They know what is hurtful. They just don't care.
Disclosing your depression just gives people like this something else to best you over the head with.

DoesHePlayTheFiddle · 13/09/2021 04:49

Hello again, @whatsforteamum. Haven't seen you for ages. Are you still sleeping on the sofa, and sneaking a few minutes in bed when your husband isn't using it? The way you've described him treating you, over the years, I'm not surprised you didn't want to go in the ambulance with him. And now your children are grown and treating you as badly as he does? You must be one of the most ill-treated posters on mumsnet. I started reading this thread without looking at the username, but a couple of posts in, I recognised your style. Can you get away from these people? A quiet life without them might be such a relief.

QueenBee52 · 13/09/2021 04:53

@DoesHePlayTheFiddle

Hello again, *@whatsforteamum*. Haven't seen you for ages. Are you still sleeping on the sofa, and sneaking a few minutes in bed when your husband isn't using it? The way you've described him treating you, over the years, I'm not surprised you didn't want to go in the ambulance with him. And now your children are grown and treating you as badly as he does? You must be one of the most ill-treated posters on mumsnet. I started reading this thread without looking at the username, but a couple of posts in, I recognised your style. Can you get away from these people? A quiet life without them might be such a relief.

omg ... this has been going on for Years 😱

whatisforteamum · 13/09/2021 06:37

Hi doesheplaythefiddle no the last few yrs have been better.
Dd left home 5 yrs ago so dh got her room and I got my own room.
Ds is a quiet polite young man so no trouble really.
I got myself a new job which I spend most of my time at as it was suggested dh had emotionally detached.
Sadly new bosses started and the whole team are much younger lads now.I get on great with the women though.
I am not scared of dd who I know has spent the day with my dsis and she would ve slagged me off to her.Everyone needs to vent.
One reason I didn't over react Saturday is my own dm is a massive over reacted to everything.
She has smashed our wedding pics,made hideous threats over silly stuff and I'm not surprised few pple help her.
I thought we could talk as adults.
Clearly not.Dh has always had issues with conversations.
He clearly agrees with his dd calling her dm a dickhead !!
I do have a fairly thick skin as I work in a male dominated industry.
There is no need to be insulted in your own home though.

OP posts:
DoesHePlayTheFiddle · 13/09/2021 07:22

I've thought of you often. I'm glad things have been a bit better. It does sound as if you live in a nest of abusers, though. You're earning so why not move out and leave them all to it? Imagine a little place of your own, new interests and activities to fill your time and boost your self-esteem ... I'd like to think some days of peaceful contentment are on their way to you.

Sakurami · 13/09/2021 07:31

OP. Go no contact with your mother. She sounds like a narcissist.

Sit down and talk to your husband. Tell him that him not telling your daughter to not speak like that to you is condoning that. Fair enough to discuss issues and come to an agreement, but not to insult you and gang up on you. It does the kids no favour either. When my kids speak disrespectfully to my their father (my ex) I tell them off. If they have a fair point, I discuss it with them but still don't tolerate disrespect.

As for your daughter. Again, do not accept being spoken to like that. If she does, tell her that you love her but just walk away and tell her you will talk when she can communicate respectfully.

Viciouslybashed · 13/09/2021 07:50

You need to ask dd to leave or leave yourself. I don't understand how they are all treating you so poorly. You need to get away from these horrible people. I am so sorry that you had a shit upbringing and the shit seems to be carrying on.

whatisforteamum · 13/09/2021 07:53

Thank you doesheplaythefiddle that made me feel emotional.
I did have months of contentment in lockdown.
Long walks,baking bread,gardening and no people allowed to visit,meals at 6 not scraps at 11pm.Bliss.I was learning sign language too.

OP posts:
Auroreforet · 13/09/2021 08:02

OP it's hard when our own dc treat us badly.
We feel guilty, that it somehow reflects on our parenting.
The fact is your dd is a bit of a dick like your dm.
Not your fault at all.
With this in mind treat her like you would any other dick.
Tell her that if she speaks to you like that again you will not engage with her.
Grey rock her.
Do not be bullied.
And I agree with pp that you and possibly ds should move to a quiet pad away from grumpy dh.

You may find that your dd improves as she gets older and she realises things are not so black and white.
No reason to be treated like crap atm though.