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Was your family similar to this? Am I being a middle class self indulgent brat?

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Strugglingdj · 21/08/2021 10:54

I posted before a couple of years ago on this. Still making sense of it. I started therapy recently and finding it hard. I had such a nice childhood with a great school, parents present for sports days and parents evenings etc. Had plenty of gifts and good food and warm home. Car when I was 17. Money for a house. I’m bruised by how broken I was though.

Are these things more common than my therapist tells me?

My dad used to drag me around by the hair if I didn’t got to bed. I mentioned it many years later and he said well what would you do with a child who wouldn’t sleep. I remember clumps of my hair all over the stairs. I would get into bed feeling hurt all over, nothing drastic or life threatening, but aching all over.

Both parents would make comments to me like I was an attention seeker, I was dramatic, I was a little hitler, I was a pain, I was a nightmare to bring up, was I the devil they would ask me often… they’d say why wasn’t I like Claire at school, why couldn’t I be like a normal child and read magazines, why wasn’t I more like my sister. I would often hear them talking to other family members about me and saying how awful I was and how difficult things had been for them. I’m not sure if they knew I could hear but I spent much of my childhood very confused.

I don’t think I was a bad child. I was very anxious but I worked hard at school, I was polite to adults and really rather quiet and reserved. I didn’t drink in my teens or smoke or get involved in anything I shouldn’t. My worst trait was that I was anxious I think and a very insecure child.

I remember at primary school I would wait for my teacher to arrive in the hallway and run to give her a hug. Every day. I told a friend I loved her more than I loved my mum. I was only 5 and I look back on it now and wonder why I felt so desperately that I needed to have that connection. What was I missing at home. This theme continued into my teens when I spent nearly every night with a neighbour who was 20 years older than my mum and we’d walk her dog and talk about things together. I felt respected around her. I clung to her for many years and my parents often mocked me that I was having an affair with her Hmm I wasn’t. They were obviously hurting and jealous perhaps that I used to do this. I guess it was company for my neighbour too so she was quite happy for me to tag along to walks and call in for a tea.

At uni holidays my parents would expect that I would be back with them and tell me they wanted me to go back but then simultaneously say they were dreading it and I was a guest in their house it wasn’t my home and I should be respectful. I had no privacy and when I went out for work often my room would have been cleaned and tidied within an inch and all my things moved including diaries and private work I was doing. I wasn’t allowed to use the washing machine but at the same time was told I was lazy and never cleaned…I wasn’t allowed to cook and if I did it would cause arguments as the kitchen would become messy with the cooking. I didn’t know how to cook for many many years after I left. I was often given money and told to go out to eat instead. My mum would cook most nights but if I said I was allergic to something or didn’t want to drink wine then I would be mocked and told if I didn’t like it then leave. I’d ask for example not to have gravy as there was wine in it and they’d lie and say there wasn’t…all sounds petty and middle class but I felt so disrespected, like a nobody with no ability to make my own decisions. If I ate particular food in the fridge my dad would go mad saying that was for him and it was expensive etc (they had money so not sure why cost was an issue). There was always food to eat but I just had to eat what wasn’t for them. I would then start to use my own money to buy bits and pieces I wanted to eat and was told that I was taking up room in their fridge and that wasn’t acceptable.

I have no idea who I am really, even now. Not sure why I am posting maybe to gauge whether this is more common than I think and maybe I am being dramatic and self indulgent in thinking about this all this time later.

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PearlyBird · 21/08/2021 10:57

They think they own you because they gave you life/ money.

But your were not for sale.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE

will type more later as fucked up family dynamics are my specialist subject :-/

Xx

Strugglingdj · 21/08/2021 10:59

They’re not bad people and they’ve done some very kind and lovely things for me. They can be very supportive and caring. They seem brilliant at this now we are at a distance but when I was growing up I felt awful around them all the time. They’d be devastated if they knew I was thinking about all these things. I do believe they only ever wanted the best for me.

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Neolara · 21/08/2021 11:01

They sound pretty terrible parents (and human beings). I'm sorry you've experienced this. None of it is normal or OK.

spotcheck · 21/08/2021 11:02

Good schools, money etc is just window dressing. It isn't what makes a child feel secure.
Being loved, accepted and valued does.
Your parents sound both physically and emotionally abusive. Applause at Sports Day doesn't cancel it out.

FusionChefGeoff · 21/08/2021 11:03

That sounds like a horrible childhood and your Dad Wass very abusive with the hair thing. Horrific. I'm not surprised you were broken and I'm pleased that you are getting help to work through it now. Thanks

spotcheck · 21/08/2021 11:04

@Strugglingdj

They’re not bad people and they’ve done some very kind and lovely things for me. They can be very supportive and caring. They seem brilliant at this now we are at a distance but when I was growing up I felt awful around them all the time. They’d be devastated if they knew I was thinking about all these things. I do believe they only ever wanted the best for me.
People just do their best and perhaps they have grown as parents. Doesn't mean that they didn't cause damage though.
Laserbird16 · 21/08/2021 11:06

Your parents were/are abusive. Physically and emotionally.

Being 'provided' for monetarily is nice but it doesn't make someone a decent parent. There are loads of children like you who had material goods but we're very deprived of what a child needs.there are some very poor children financially who have wonderful loving adults in their lives

You needed love and acceptance of who you are as a person. I'm so sorry you didn't get that. Children love their parents and it's confusing when you're not loved back.

I'm glad you're going to therapy as it is so hard to see how f'ed up this behaviour is when you're raised with it.

It wasn't normal and it's not ok.

HollowTalk · 21/08/2021 11:08

They sound horrendous and I'm surprised you haven't emigrated. You say they are lovely now - in what ways are they lovely? Do they ever call you just to see if you're OK? Do you have visits where every moment is OK? Do they still compare you to your sister and your friends?

Disfordarkchocolate · 21/08/2021 11:09

These are bad people. Good people don't assault and bully their children. I want to give you a hug.

Strugglingdj · 21/08/2021 11:10

@HollowTalk they text everyday without fail. Always say goodnight. They offer to cook or meet up. It’s quite different these days. I think mostly that’s because we live apart and see less of each other. I think if I needed them they would let me stay and make me feel welcome but I probably wouldn’t feel comfortable doing it. It is definitely different now.

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DelphiniumBlue · 21/08/2021 11:10

That does sound abusive. I've only once experienced a small child say that they loved someone more than their mum, and that was enough of a flag to trigger safeguarding procedures. You were physically and emotionally abused, it's not normal, it's not your fault, and they weren't thinking about what was best for you at all. They were thinking about themselves.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/08/2021 11:10

If someone else was writing this would you think of their parents as being nice people too?. Why did you write nice things about your parents when its absolutely clear from your writings they are the complete opposite?.

None of what happened to you within this house of horrors was your fault in any way; this is all on them. They had a choice when it came to you and they chose to abuse you and blame you for everything wrong in their lives.

It was all image with these people and what they presented re you to the outside world. What happened behind closed doors was a different story and you were subjected by them to abuse. Abuse also is not just physical in nature. Abusers can be "nice" sometimes to their chosen target but their nice/nasty cycle is also a continuous one.

Do you have any sort of a relationship with your parents and sister present day?. I sincerely hope not.

Your parents were physically and emotionally abusive towards you as a child and further made you the family scapegoat for all their inherent ills. Both of them are equally culpable and fed off the abuse the other gave towards you. I would also think it a given your sister was not at all treated like you were.

NeonJellyBaby · 21/08/2021 11:11

I recognise a lot of this from my own childhood. Not so much the physical abuse, but definitely the other stuff. I used to go and sit with my elderly grandmother who lived nearby for hours on a weekend sometimes. I always felt much happier there, often we’d just sit there quietly and drink tea while she knitted stuff or baked in the kitchen.

I also recognise the stuff about cooking and cleaning, was told I never did enough of it but when I tried DM in particular either stood over me and told me I was doing it wrong or making a mess etc. Constant moving of the goalposts basically.

DisplayPurposesOnly · 21/08/2021 11:12

This sounds horrific to me. It may or may not be 'normal' but it's definitely not acceptable.

I had a very ordinary relationship with my parents. The most comparable example that I can give you to yours is that my dad would turn over the TV when i was in the middle of watching a programme without so much as a by-your-leave. (It was absolutely infuriating Grin and so so mild compared to your experiences.)

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/08/2021 11:13

You do not need them in your life now. All this texting goodnight to you every day sounds suffocating and controlling. They still see you as some incapable adult child even now and I would also think any "support" came with a dead weight of conditions along with fear, obligation and guilt attached. Am glad to read you are in therapy; how helpful are you finding it so far?.

I would also suggest you contact NAPAC as you may find them useful too.

M0rT · 21/08/2021 11:15

If I saw someone dragging a child around by the hair I'd be calling the police!
Honestly your upbringing was wrong and not normal.
Although depressingly not unusual.
I would keep going with the therapy and keep them at a distance.
That is probably what has changd, the power imbalance shifted when you no longer needed them/their home.
If they were still treating you as they did as a child you would probably have stopped contact with them by now.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 21/08/2021 11:32

@Strugglingdj

They’re not bad people and they’ve done some very kind and lovely things for me. They can be very supportive and caring. They seem brilliant at this now we are at a distance but when I was growing up I felt awful around them all the time. They’d be devastated if they knew I was thinking about all these things. I do believe they only ever wanted the best for me.
From your title I was expecting something very minor, not someone who'd been abused by her parents.

OP that wasn't a good childhood and they weren't good parents, they were abusive.
Good parents can struggle, be frustrated, despair, get angry at times, be exhausted, yes. But not dragging your child around by her hair, or emotionally abusing her, there is no way in which any of the behaviour you've listed is ok or excusable. What they did makes them bad people. It really does. They were abusive, it isn't normal or common or ok.

If your sister was treated as the 'good' one all the time it sounds like they could be narcissistic, the scapegoat child is very common with parents like that. You didn't deserve what they did to you, any of it, you were a child and they treated you horrifically. You might find the stately homes thread in relationships useful. Abusive parenting is sadly not rare, but certainly none of this is common or ok, maybe speaking to others who have been through similar things might help.

I know it's not very MN, but I want to reach across the distance and give you a big hug. I'm so sorry your parents put you through so much, you deserved so much better than them.

Antinerak · 21/08/2021 11:34

They are bad people, and no matter how much money or gifts they gave you or how lovely they seem now, they are child abusers. Keep going with the therapy and trust your therapist when they say this is not common or normal.

I hope therapy can help you realise that what happened to you was and is not okay. Are you parents really okay now or do you repress a lot of negative feelings towards them because you're afraid of how they could treat you now?

Twobigsapphires · 21/08/2021 11:35

My husband has just gone NC with his parents for a very similar emotionally abusive and controlling childhood. Your dad was also physically abusive.
No doubt they are being ‘nice’ to you now as they are old and lonely.
I really hope that therapy has helped you as it has my husband, to realise that this was not normal and you did not deserve to be treated like that.

PearlyBird · 21/08/2021 11:43

@Strugglingdj

They’re not bad people and they’ve done some very kind and lovely things for me. They can be very supportive and caring. They seem brilliant at this now we are at a distance but when I was growing up I felt awful around them all the time. They’d be devastated if they knew I was thinking about all these things. I do believe they only ever wanted the best for me.
Total lack of empathy for YOUR experience though? You do not have the right to decide that they hurt you? Instead of reflecting on that, it would "devastate" them? You are the judge of whether you feel shit around them
MrsWorriedMother · 21/08/2021 11:48

People think of abuse as being beaten up daily / neglected / emotional abuse but when parents treat you like this and are then nice to you occasionally it makes for a buggered up adult because you constantly doubt yourself about your recollections and feel guilty for thinking badly of them.

But believe me this is emotional abuse and don't doubt yourself.

PearlyBird · 21/08/2021 11:48

Ps, my parents seem to feel that by being generous to me i have forfeited the right to feel hurt by them. They decide if they hurt me or not, and they have decided that tgey did not hurt me.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 21/08/2021 11:54

Sounds like an abusive childhood to me. You can’t change the past, you probably won’t be able to make them see that they were. It’s good that you have distance now. Be proud of the fact that you got away from them and are making a good life for yourself despite them.

Orgasmagorical · 21/08/2021 11:59

What makes you even consider asking if you might be a middle class self indulgent brat? Who put that idea into your head?

They’re not bad people and they’ve done some very kind and lovely things for me.

Monetary things? Things that show how kind and lovely they are? Their actions when you were growing up were abusive. No amount of being kind or generous takes those actions away. They chose to do that to you. How were your parents with your sister? Can you speak to your sister about your experiences? There were similarities in my family, not as bad as yours but our upbringing has shaped my and my siblings' lives.

I hope your therapy helps. I've recently had some for something else but an awful lot of it was about my upbringing. It is hard facing up to it and the realisation of so much but I am feeling more settled about it now, I hope you will find the same Flowers

Bythemillpond · 21/08/2021 12:05

These are people who do things for how they would look to other people rather than being kind and nice in private.

The presents, the car, the turning up on sports days and parent teacher evenings are because to not turn up would mean they can’t put on the show of normality.

Look back and view everything nice they did and think about whether that was to show everyone what wonderful parents they were

Them saying to come back from Uni during the holidays. If you didn’t ever come back it would have sent out a certain message that you didn’t care for them anymore and the vision of the perfect family would have been ruined.

I am not so sure that the abusive parents aren’t still there. The control over you lasts to this day with the constant texts, asking you
to meet up or cook for you is just another way to show people they must have been such good parents as they can say they communicate with you daily and their Dd is always visiting.
The feeling of being uncomfortable around them is your gut telling you to put as much distance between you and them as possible

In the privacy of your home when no one is looking is where you have to judge if people make good parents. Pulling a child around by their hair is horrific. I would ask if this is something they were happy to let other people see or know about.