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I wonder if I should stop having shared meals with my husband

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CloudyMoment · 14/08/2021 11:56

So, after 1.5 marriage we have developed communication problems.
He is generally well intentioned, but quite introverted & shy.

We have managed to have a reasonably good level of communication because he usually 1)listened to me 2) we get each other in some significant ways, 3) I can read him relatively well. But with time I have realised that our conversations have this strange dynamic, where it is either me asking him questions or me telling him things. He very rarely talks on his own, other than convey relevant information. I haven't noticed it before, because he does engage in conversations once I start them. But,
All conversations started to feel like I was doing all the work. and it started to bother me. And then he admitted, that if it were up to him, he just wouldn't talk at all.

We went to couples therapy, and it was decided there that it is probably best that he works through some things individually in therapy.

Since then... things have been mixed. We had a couple of deeper conversation, and went to do things together, so generally I think we are doing relatively well. We still love and like each other.

However, I have become increasingly more upset with how he is at meals. It turns out that he grew up in a culture where you weren't supposed to talk at meals. To me meals are times during the day, or evening to connect -be it over food or our days, or things that we have learned that day. I will invariably start attempt to have a conversation with him, and he will invariably withdraw into silently chomping his food.

He also has a habit of banging cutlery against his teeth all the time.
I keep pointing it out to him "oh you did that think with the fork and teeth again", which then makes him act "all careful" to avoid this happening again. He obviously tenses up. But banging a fork right into his front teeth over and over again is not good for his teeth. I care enough to not want it to happen. I wish he could just treat me saying this as a normal thing, and not something to be tense about? I am not criticising him, I am literally pointing it out, out of care.

Also.. he is not a great cook. Again, he has a very utilitarian approach to food.- I think he eats as fuel. Which I think many people have.

Most of the time he cooks something it is ok. But on occasion it is a bit unpleasant. I still eat it, but I will be a bit more fussy - eg taking parts of the food that I find hard to swallow to the side, etc.

Today it was mushrooms fried together with eggs in a scramble, with left- over veggie sausage from yesterday. I can usually eat the eggs with mushrooms when he normally makes them, that's why I said to make some for me, when he offered. They tend to be fine. But today they were really overdone and gray, and the added gray warm veggie sausage was just too much for me, I had too take it out. He did not say untying about the sausage at the start - if he did I would have told him to cook it separately.

Eggs are something that can be gross if not done well, and unfortunately I am one of these people who feel that way, despite being able to eat most things generally.

This, combined with my husband just slowly and carefully sitting there and tensely eating his food, just made me walk out. Not in anger... just out of finding it all so sad and unpleasant. Like, c'mon... insisting on silently eating a pile of gray food, whilst banging your teeth with a fork over and over again, is like something out of a Franzen novel.

When we aren't eating, we can just hangout in the same space and talk or not talk, and he acts normally and relaxed, but meals have become this tense minefield. I am so tired of sitting in silence, unless I carry the conversation.

I have decided that it is probably best that we just don't eat together.

I will still cook for us, just not eat at the same time, because I really can't stand these silent meals, where he isn't relaxed just kind of acting like a kid in school, eating in front of a teacher.

And.. he is putting me unwittingly in the role of a teacher, but that is probably something for him to unpack in therapy, rather than for me to push for normal meal experience with him.

Is this a bad way to approach it? Like.. am I going to make it worse?
He thinks it is ok that we don't eat together, but I am reluctant to fully follow through with it, because it feels like further drifting apart.
But then- we are fine when we don't eat together, but our mood sours as soon as we sit down and it becomes this semi-formal, quiet occasion.

Urgh. With pervious partners, we enjoyed the food. And we either talked, or watched a film or a series together, it was fun and simple and without this awkwardness.

Here, there seems to be no enjoyment, just this utilitarian chomping down. UGH.

But other than that - my husband is a great partner. I would not want to be with another person, don't get me wrong. He is also apologetic about the way he is.

What do you think? Is giving up on trying to make these occasions more pleasant, and basically withdrawing from these situations, the right way to approach it? It will probably also mean not going to restaurants together, because it is the same thing there as well & instead going for other dates, such as galleries, which are perfectly fine etc.

OP posts:
grapewine · 15/08/2021 11:03

@Balonzette

Read the thread and this stood out:

"We both have toxic relationships behind, and for me at least, this is the first relationship where I can be myself on a daily basis"

and all I could think was - this sounds like a really toxic relationship, for him. He can't be himself at all. You're literally saying he needs to get therapy so he can STOP being himself and behave more like you.

Even in your replies when you're saying he's okay after all, you're STILL criticising and saying that he needs to 'work through in therapy' something which is just a part of his personality.

Just because he's different to you, doesn't mean he needs therapy to become more like you.

Or if anyone needs to have therapy to deal with the fact that the two of you have differences, why can't it be you having therapy to come to terms with the fact that people are different/you can't control/change people?

This is really sad to read.

Well said!
Butterfly44 · 15/08/2021 11:05

Do both of you a favour and look at splitting up. This isn't a normal relationship and I don't see how you can continue living like this for years, let alone have a family. You don't seem well suited at all

spongedod · 15/08/2021 11:08

18 months in and you have problems that have led you to therapy followed by 15 or so paragraphs of how this still isn't working.

Your answer is divorce.

trappistkepler · 15/08/2021 11:58

over analysing everything OP - this is a year and a half in - this does not bode well. You need to relax a bit I think, I'd find that level of analysis tiring and counter productive. Leave him alone to be who he is or this relationship will eventually end.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/08/2021 12:34

Just a thought - do you know what cats do if they don't feel safe in a house, for example where they can't even eat or rest in peace without being harassed?

They leave and find somewhere and someone nicer.

As do men when they've been described as animals, been deemed in need of psychological treatment, not even been allowed to eat their dinner in peace and their spouse has been oh, so fucking magnanimous in not ripping into them every single moment of every day.

YouJustDoYou · 15/08/2021 12:41

Poor guy.

poppymaewrite · 15/08/2021 13:13

The sound of people eating can be anxiety inducing for some people. Maybe getting him to eat with plastic cuttlery might be an option? But I think that you resent the fact that you don't 'click' in the way that you want, and you feel that conversations are a bit dead. This is then affecting how annoyed you get at him for other things, inclusing the way he eats etc. If he isn't right for you, it's not fair to try and mould him into the person you want him to be. Maybe think about whether you both need to go your seperate ways?

ThuMuClu · 15/08/2021 17:04

OP tv was invented for a reason, I grew up eating every meal in front of it, it really alleviates the stress! If you have great conversations at other times, you don’t need to be social at mealtime. Just stick the telly on and sit on seperate sofas if the cutlery thing bothers you that much.

ThuMuClu · 15/08/2021 17:06

My mum has massive food issues and the worst thing is people mentioning it, she can’t eat around people at all. The more attention you draw to it, the worse it will get

CloudyMoment · 15/08/2021 17:12

Gosh, you do seem to be a bit mean, at least some of you.
Maybe he is depressed, I definitely I am.
He also could have been masking when we met. He has dyslexia, and scores high on ADD. Some people with conditions like that do mask a lot, to compensate. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happened at the beginning of our relationship.

He wanted therapy, for himself for years, so that's why he is doing it, not because "I have sent to fix him" ffs.

I did it for many years, and it did help. That's why I am supporting to have it too.. because it is something that can benefit almost everyone?

The "If it were up to me I wouldn't talk" is literally what he said about his general temperament. That on his own he just does not have the need to communicate. That's how he is, and he definitely did not give the impression at the start that this is who he is, because I presume he felt he had to compensate for that to be able to manage social/ professional situations.

The radio/ TV thing is definitely we will be giving a shot.

I have no desire to change anyone, I just want to change the situation so we avoid a repeat of both of us being unhappy. If it means eating separately, or watching movies or whatever, that's fine.

Thanks to everyone who gave thought to comment.

I am off this thread, did not come here to be lectured like this, and there is definitely a lot of projections of your own situations going on here.

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SunnySideDownBriefly · 15/08/2021 17:17

Honestly, you are completely over-analysing all of this. You will never be happy if you keep this up. Give the guy a break. Put the TV on to give you something to talk about as you eat. You sound very controlling and are trying to change him.

NotJustACigar · 15/08/2021 22:00

Just ignore the unkind comments. I don't know why people have to be so nasty but it always happens and isn't personal. I'm really glad to hear you're going to give the TV idea a try.

FantasticButtocks · 15/08/2021 22:09

@CloudyMoment

Can't you just both eat in front of the tv? Otherwise mealtimes sound torturous for you both. If you're both enjoying a programme together then the focus is shared, but on the telly program not on each other's behaviour, habits or requirements. Maybe takes the pressure off you both.

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