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I wonder if I should stop having shared meals with my husband

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CloudyMoment · 14/08/2021 11:56

So, after 1.5 marriage we have developed communication problems.
He is generally well intentioned, but quite introverted & shy.

We have managed to have a reasonably good level of communication because he usually 1)listened to me 2) we get each other in some significant ways, 3) I can read him relatively well. But with time I have realised that our conversations have this strange dynamic, where it is either me asking him questions or me telling him things. He very rarely talks on his own, other than convey relevant information. I haven't noticed it before, because he does engage in conversations once I start them. But,
All conversations started to feel like I was doing all the work. and it started to bother me. And then he admitted, that if it were up to him, he just wouldn't talk at all.

We went to couples therapy, and it was decided there that it is probably best that he works through some things individually in therapy.

Since then... things have been mixed. We had a couple of deeper conversation, and went to do things together, so generally I think we are doing relatively well. We still love and like each other.

However, I have become increasingly more upset with how he is at meals. It turns out that he grew up in a culture where you weren't supposed to talk at meals. To me meals are times during the day, or evening to connect -be it over food or our days, or things that we have learned that day. I will invariably start attempt to have a conversation with him, and he will invariably withdraw into silently chomping his food.

He also has a habit of banging cutlery against his teeth all the time.
I keep pointing it out to him "oh you did that think with the fork and teeth again", which then makes him act "all careful" to avoid this happening again. He obviously tenses up. But banging a fork right into his front teeth over and over again is not good for his teeth. I care enough to not want it to happen. I wish he could just treat me saying this as a normal thing, and not something to be tense about? I am not criticising him, I am literally pointing it out, out of care.

Also.. he is not a great cook. Again, he has a very utilitarian approach to food.- I think he eats as fuel. Which I think many people have.

Most of the time he cooks something it is ok. But on occasion it is a bit unpleasant. I still eat it, but I will be a bit more fussy - eg taking parts of the food that I find hard to swallow to the side, etc.

Today it was mushrooms fried together with eggs in a scramble, with left- over veggie sausage from yesterday. I can usually eat the eggs with mushrooms when he normally makes them, that's why I said to make some for me, when he offered. They tend to be fine. But today they were really overdone and gray, and the added gray warm veggie sausage was just too much for me, I had too take it out. He did not say untying about the sausage at the start - if he did I would have told him to cook it separately.

Eggs are something that can be gross if not done well, and unfortunately I am one of these people who feel that way, despite being able to eat most things generally.

This, combined with my husband just slowly and carefully sitting there and tensely eating his food, just made me walk out. Not in anger... just out of finding it all so sad and unpleasant. Like, c'mon... insisting on silently eating a pile of gray food, whilst banging your teeth with a fork over and over again, is like something out of a Franzen novel.

When we aren't eating, we can just hangout in the same space and talk or not talk, and he acts normally and relaxed, but meals have become this tense minefield. I am so tired of sitting in silence, unless I carry the conversation.

I have decided that it is probably best that we just don't eat together.

I will still cook for us, just not eat at the same time, because I really can't stand these silent meals, where he isn't relaxed just kind of acting like a kid in school, eating in front of a teacher.

And.. he is putting me unwittingly in the role of a teacher, but that is probably something for him to unpack in therapy, rather than for me to push for normal meal experience with him.

Is this a bad way to approach it? Like.. am I going to make it worse?
He thinks it is ok that we don't eat together, but I am reluctant to fully follow through with it, because it feels like further drifting apart.
But then- we are fine when we don't eat together, but our mood sours as soon as we sit down and it becomes this semi-formal, quiet occasion.

Urgh. With pervious partners, we enjoyed the food. And we either talked, or watched a film or a series together, it was fun and simple and without this awkwardness.

Here, there seems to be no enjoyment, just this utilitarian chomping down. UGH.

But other than that - my husband is a great partner. I would not want to be with another person, don't get me wrong. He is also apologetic about the way he is.

What do you think? Is giving up on trying to make these occasions more pleasant, and basically withdrawing from these situations, the right way to approach it? It will probably also mean not going to restaurants together, because it is the same thing there as well & instead going for other dates, such as galleries, which are perfectly fine etc.

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SelkieQualia · 14/08/2021 12:03

It certainly sounds as if trying to share meals is making you both miserable. It sounds as if eating separately and doing non meal things together for a while might take the pressure off.

MeadowBrown · 14/08/2021 12:06

Op meal times with your DH do sound very unpleasant indeed, but I've got to ask the question ...how did you get to the point of marrying him without this being an issue? Did you not eat together before? I don't want to sound facetious but you either need a different DH or a brood of ten children to distract you!

Seriously though, food is such an important aspect of a marriage (or rather it is for those for whom it is, and isn't for those for whom it really isn't) that it is going to be difficult to avoid this issue and eat separately for your entire married life. I hope you manage to find a more sustainable solution. It sounds like this is one of those things that is not anyone's fault; you are just very different people. Opposites can attract but it sounds to me that in your case this would involve too many compromises. Flowers

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 14/08/2021 12:09

It sounds like a sensible solution, at least for a time to take the pressure off. You could set a date in a few months to assess if it's been a positive change or not and meanwhile make extra effort to spend other times of the day having a chat.

Oblomov21 · 14/08/2021 12:13

Did you get married quickly? Why rush? Didn't you spot any of these signs before?

category12 · 14/08/2021 12:15

Is this the vision of a future together that you want? Are you planning a family or are you an older/childfree couple? Because I would really have a think about whether this is how you want family life to look if you do want children.

Honestly you sound like you have at least the beginnings of The Ick for him.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 14/08/2021 12:17

I'd stop trying and just eat separately. It is only food. It isn't important. Why force conversation over a meal when you can eat comfortably and chat in the living room where you are both comfortable?
A lot of people make such a huge deal out of meals and it is unnecessary.

FOJN · 14/08/2021 12:18

He is also apologetic about the way he is.

That's an incredible sad statement. I wouldn't want anyone I love to apologise for who they are. It sounds like he would welcome not sharing meals so that he can eat without pressure to turn it into a social occasion.

I understand your perspective, I wouldn't want to share meals everyday with someone so uncommunicative but presumably this is not something which developed after you got married.

Did you notice and ignore it or did you notice and think you could "fix it". Either way your decision to marry someone who is so different to you in an area which is very important to you is now making you both miserable.

You need to spare both of you further stress so eating separately would seem to be the obvious solution. Divorce would seem a bit extreme under these circumstances but it is likely where you will end up if you are unable to accept this aspect of your husband's personality and take steps to mitigate your frustration.

GNCQ · 14/08/2021 12:18

Just have some babies and deal with them and yourself at mealtimes. He can cook/eat separately!

Pongo101 · 14/08/2021 12:19

I think it could work if you are compatible in all other areas and this is your tension point. Just trial not eating together and see how it works out.

Tension arises with my dh over food. It was our first ever fight. He's from a different culture too. The issues we have aren't the same but I can understand how it is becoming a massive problem. Food is such an important part of life. You have to eat at least once a day.

category12 · 14/08/2021 12:20

@GNCQ

Just have some babies and deal with them and yourself at mealtimes. He can cook/eat separately!
Er no, that would be ridiculous. They grow up, you know.
Palavah · 14/08/2021 12:21

Stop nagging him about the cutlery/teeth thing.

CovidDoesNotExistDuh · 14/08/2021 12:22

Eat separately.

The noise of cutlery on teeth is bloody grim.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 14/08/2021 12:23

I think if an activity is making you both unhappy, and it's not necessary to do it together, then don't do it. Life's too short.

I also think mealtimes should be social so I empathise with you, but I also empathise with him feeling like he's under supervision when eating. My horrible mother used to do this to my son and it made mealtimes at hers so, so unpleasant for him.

It's a bit sad to think you won't ever go and eat out together again, but if you have plenty of other things to do together, it sounds worth just dropping this one stressful activity.

There was a thread a week or so ago called "Husband doesn't speak" - might be worth a read. (although the first page was mired in controversy due to the op originally using the term "mute" which upset a lot of people.)

HumdrumGuga · 14/08/2021 12:25

DH does very minimal chat during meals. I suspect it is due to his childhood, MIL is anorexic and controlling and I can't imagine mealtimes were fun. He is lovely in other ways but this does my head in, just seems so rude, sympathy OP. I detest eating at the in laws as they would happily sit in silence even at eg Christmas and it's all just so awkward. And crap food. Ahh this was cathartic!!

Hen2018 · 14/08/2021 12:25

Poor guy. I’d hardly be able to swallow my food after all that criticism.

FlowerArranger · 14/08/2021 12:25

@category12

Is this the vision of a future together that you want? Are you planning a family or are you an older/childfree couple? Because I would really have a think about whether this is how you want family life to look if you do want children.

Honestly you sound like you have at least the beginnings of The Ick for him.

That's what I was thinking as I was reading the OP. The beginnings of The Ick....

But other than that - my husband is a great partner. I would not want to be with another person, don't get me wrong

@CloudyMoment - are you sure about this, and if so why?

Why not print out your OP, take a highlighter and mark anything that seems significant to you. Because there certainly are a lot of things that jump out at me as being potentially significant impediments to an ongoing happy relationship.

GNCQ · 14/08/2021 12:25

I don't want to derail but I'll share a story... (We already have DC) but after the pandemic started DH got really stressed.
Somehow this projected itself onto my cooking.
Suddenly despite my cooking being like Nigella Lawson's before the pandemic, what with homeschooling and various other upheavals perhaps I lost a bit of energy/creativity when it came to meals, they were still lovely and not even particularly different to our food before, but DH hurtfully took it upon himself to moan virtually every mealtime about something really petty eg the food, and once he complained about the "way" I used the chopping board!

It got so awful I said "right you're cooking for yourself from now on"

We ate separately for over a week and I swear it did the trick because he doesn't act weird at mealtimes anymore.

So go with it I'd recommend it.

Turkishangora · 14/08/2021 12:26

I agree very much with this. There's such huge pressure around food, my DH makes a bit of a performance out of it and the expectation that we all sit as a family, every single day and eat together is just too much. I much prefer putting food out, everyone helping themselves and eating where and when they want. I dread formal meals and wonder if it's something to do with my upbringing where I was made to sit at the table for ages listening to adults, bored out of my brain.

Eat separately op and take the pressure off. Do other fun things together that have less expectation attached to them.

UserNameNameNameUser · 14/08/2021 12:29

I read this and though “your poor husband”. It sounds as good f you are quite controlling of him, in the sense of wanting to change his behaviour to something more palatable to you. However I’m sure couples therapy would have brought this up, so maybe it is just my interpretation.

Regarding meals, can’t you put on some music and read a book or magazine while you both eat?

But for goodness sake stop nagging him about his cutlery. He’s a grown man and they are his teeth not yours. Stop acting like his mother.

CakeandGo · 14/08/2021 12:29

Didn’t get to the end. You sound really mean. Why do you keep having a go at him while he’s trying to eat? No wonder he’s afraid of doing something to annoy you.
Sounds like you can’t stand him, poor guy.

GoWalkabout · 14/08/2021 12:31

1.5 years in, already had counselling that hasn't changed much and abandoning eating together? Is this the person you want to have on the sofa next to you when you are 65? If so, then yes make life a bit better by eating fabulous food without him (I am actually slightly jealous because mealtimes can be a drudgery in family life, so sure, go for it).

Outfoxedbyrabbits · 14/08/2021 12:31

I think ideally you both need to compromise - you need to accept there won't be glittering conversation and five star cuisine at every meal, he needs to occasionally pull his finger out with making an effort to chat (and agree on some sort of signal that he's hitting his teeth, like you gently putting your hand on his arm).

Compromise might look like:

  • Him "cooking" things that can't go wrong (oven pizza, beans on toast, posh ready meals, pasta with a nice jarred sauce)
  • You doing more of the cooking and in return him doing more of the washing up
  • Choosing a fun TV series to watch together at meal times at home so you don't have to chat OR sit in silence
  • Going out for drinks together to practice chatting in that sort of environment, progressing to tapas style "meals", and eventually to three courses at the Ritz

I have a friend who hates hot food. When we eat together, I eat first while she tells be all her news. Then when I've finished eating and hers is cooler she eats while I tell her what I've been up to. It's slightly odd bit, you know, it's a compromise Wink and we BOTH enjoy our meal!

CakeandGo · 14/08/2021 12:31

He is also apologetic about the way he is
Read to the end. This is so sad.

MeadowBrown · 14/08/2021 12:33

@IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves

I'd stop trying and just eat separately. It is only food. It isn't important. Why force conversation over a meal when you can eat comfortably and chat in the living room where you are both comfortable? A lot of people make such a huge deal out of meals and it is unnecessary.
Not everyone is the same fhs! Each to their own but food is massively important in our life as part of our culture. We really enjoy inviting extended family around for a meal at the weekends. We're not gluttonous but we enjoy cooking and drinking wine and sharing recipes. Life would be rather miserable for us without this. It's a question of individual priorities and how you want to spend your time and energy.

And anyway, in op's case it sounds as though the lack of communication goes deeper than meals because she is always the one starting the conversation. That can't really be solved by avoiding the dinner table. Sorry op Flowers

HollowTalk · 14/08/2021 12:36

I couldn't live like that. I would want conversation and meals together. It sounds sad and lonely for both of you. The teeth thing would have me running from the room - I have a very low tolerance for anything like that when I'm eating. I couldn't eat that kind of food, either.

He sounds very introverted. What was he like when you met him?

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