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I wonder if I should stop having shared meals with my husband

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CloudyMoment · 14/08/2021 11:56

So, after 1.5 marriage we have developed communication problems.
He is generally well intentioned, but quite introverted & shy.

We have managed to have a reasonably good level of communication because he usually 1)listened to me 2) we get each other in some significant ways, 3) I can read him relatively well. But with time I have realised that our conversations have this strange dynamic, where it is either me asking him questions or me telling him things. He very rarely talks on his own, other than convey relevant information. I haven't noticed it before, because he does engage in conversations once I start them. But,
All conversations started to feel like I was doing all the work. and it started to bother me. And then he admitted, that if it were up to him, he just wouldn't talk at all.

We went to couples therapy, and it was decided there that it is probably best that he works through some things individually in therapy.

Since then... things have been mixed. We had a couple of deeper conversation, and went to do things together, so generally I think we are doing relatively well. We still love and like each other.

However, I have become increasingly more upset with how he is at meals. It turns out that he grew up in a culture where you weren't supposed to talk at meals. To me meals are times during the day, or evening to connect -be it over food or our days, or things that we have learned that day. I will invariably start attempt to have a conversation with him, and he will invariably withdraw into silently chomping his food.

He also has a habit of banging cutlery against his teeth all the time.
I keep pointing it out to him "oh you did that think with the fork and teeth again", which then makes him act "all careful" to avoid this happening again. He obviously tenses up. But banging a fork right into his front teeth over and over again is not good for his teeth. I care enough to not want it to happen. I wish he could just treat me saying this as a normal thing, and not something to be tense about? I am not criticising him, I am literally pointing it out, out of care.

Also.. he is not a great cook. Again, he has a very utilitarian approach to food.- I think he eats as fuel. Which I think many people have.

Most of the time he cooks something it is ok. But on occasion it is a bit unpleasant. I still eat it, but I will be a bit more fussy - eg taking parts of the food that I find hard to swallow to the side, etc.

Today it was mushrooms fried together with eggs in a scramble, with left- over veggie sausage from yesterday. I can usually eat the eggs with mushrooms when he normally makes them, that's why I said to make some for me, when he offered. They tend to be fine. But today they were really overdone and gray, and the added gray warm veggie sausage was just too much for me, I had too take it out. He did not say untying about the sausage at the start - if he did I would have told him to cook it separately.

Eggs are something that can be gross if not done well, and unfortunately I am one of these people who feel that way, despite being able to eat most things generally.

This, combined with my husband just slowly and carefully sitting there and tensely eating his food, just made me walk out. Not in anger... just out of finding it all so sad and unpleasant. Like, c'mon... insisting on silently eating a pile of gray food, whilst banging your teeth with a fork over and over again, is like something out of a Franzen novel.

When we aren't eating, we can just hangout in the same space and talk or not talk, and he acts normally and relaxed, but meals have become this tense minefield. I am so tired of sitting in silence, unless I carry the conversation.

I have decided that it is probably best that we just don't eat together.

I will still cook for us, just not eat at the same time, because I really can't stand these silent meals, where he isn't relaxed just kind of acting like a kid in school, eating in front of a teacher.

And.. he is putting me unwittingly in the role of a teacher, but that is probably something for him to unpack in therapy, rather than for me to push for normal meal experience with him.

Is this a bad way to approach it? Like.. am I going to make it worse?
He thinks it is ok that we don't eat together, but I am reluctant to fully follow through with it, because it feels like further drifting apart.
But then- we are fine when we don't eat together, but our mood sours as soon as we sit down and it becomes this semi-formal, quiet occasion.

Urgh. With pervious partners, we enjoyed the food. And we either talked, or watched a film or a series together, it was fun and simple and without this awkwardness.

Here, there seems to be no enjoyment, just this utilitarian chomping down. UGH.

But other than that - my husband is a great partner. I would not want to be with another person, don't get me wrong. He is also apologetic about the way he is.

What do you think? Is giving up on trying to make these occasions more pleasant, and basically withdrawing from these situations, the right way to approach it? It will probably also mean not going to restaurants together, because it is the same thing there as well & instead going for other dates, such as galleries, which are perfectly fine etc.

OP posts:
valnevavaxx · 15/08/2021 07:12

OP my DP has an annoying eating habit- slurps his food- and 9 times out of 10 I don’t even notice because I adore him. If we’ve had a fight or I’ve had a bad day it’ll be like nails down a chalkboard. I think if you’re starting to be bothered by stuff like that to the point where you have to keep telling him then you must not like him as much as you used to.

arcof · 15/08/2021 07:19

Surely this your biggest problem (from your opening post):

"And then he admitted, that if it were up to him, he just wouldn't talk at all. "

This is in relation to life in general, I assume, as in your OP you say this way before you get to talking about meals

This is a very concerning statement! And sounds like he's acting very different from when you met. Is he depressed?!

NotJustACigar · 15/08/2021 07:27

What about watching a TV programme over dinner? My husband and I love to eat with plate son our lap on the couch and watch an episode if a comedy series (the Good Place, Superstore, Never Have I Ever, etc). That way mealtimes are relaxing and enjoyable and fun. To me sitting at a dinner table trying to make conversation when I just want to zone out and relax sounds stressful, old fashioned and grim. Plus the TV noise should drown out the sounds of eating!

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 15/08/2021 07:29

Sounds a bit depressing, but going by your OP it sounds like you talk A LOT.

SomethingChief · 15/08/2021 07:34

I don't mean to sound harsh but it sounds like the reality of the person you've married is starting to hit home and you're struggling to reconcile your idealised version of your partner with who they actually are.

CordeliasPencil · 15/08/2021 07:45

Im just not buying that this is a good relationship. The way you speak about him, as a cat (!?!?), Like a child who needs to learn something ... You're patronizing him horribly. You criticize him when he tries to do things like cook, or eat for goodness sakes. This doesn't sound to be a healthy marriage anywhere, for either of you.

category12 · 15/08/2021 08:23

@CordeliasPencil

Im just not buying that this is a good relationship. The way you speak about him, as a cat (!?!?), Like a child who needs to learn something ... You're patronizing him horribly. You criticize him when he tries to do things like cook, or eat for goodness sakes. This doesn't sound to be a healthy marriage anywhere, for either of you.
I agree.

Op, it sounds like you're continually irritated by him and it's getting worse, the way he eats, his introversion, etc, all really getting to you. Which is The Ick coming in strong.

You want him to change so much, it's not really fair on him.

You're trying to jam the wrong puzzle pieces together. Try watching Daniel Sloss' stand up "jigsaw" on Netflix.

TheStoic · 15/08/2021 08:36

So your relationship is 90% positive, and 10% negative?

If you’re expecting 100% positive, you need to rethink things.

Accept him for who he is.

PieceOfString · 15/08/2021 08:58

I think you have described your dynamic very eloquently op. Does your DH recognise that your behaviour around a companion during a meal is very different, this would help because you can come up with a strategy together? I would say since there are clearly very deep-rooted origins to his behaviour that this isn't going to change any time soon, if at all. So from that point of view this is going to continue to be a source of distress to you both and separate meals/TV/radio entertainment instead would be a valid way to take the friction out of the situation. But, as you recognise, this has potential for creating distance, so you need to come up with a way to put the closeness back on another occasion. You said that before the pandemic you often ate separately for different reasons, so I don't see why that can't happen again.
He has a tendency to retreat into his zone when engrossed anyway so could you communicate and this to him and see if he recognises what is happening and that any relationship needs nurturing can you both create a habit of doing something together each day to balance it out? Whatever works for you both. Garden for an hour together after work? Thai chi first thing in the morning? I dunno, some little ritual/habit/routine that creates a together moment on a regular basis to bridge this divide that shows up at these times and that meals aren't helping with?

KurtWilde · 15/08/2021 09:08

It requires a bit of effort and generosity on my side to look past these habits and see the person that I love.

This isn't really the statement of someone who loves someone though. You seem quite critical of him, and you talk about him like he's a child who needs to learn the 'right' way to be. I don't think you sound at all compatible.

gamerchick · 15/08/2021 09:18

Christ, I wouldn't want to talk to you either. Poor fucker putting up with all that.

Some people arent foodys. My husband is, he likes to talk about how nice a dish is with me, what would make it better etc etc. I'm a food is fuel, just shut up and let me eat it type.

We don't cook for each other anymore. We sort ourselves out for family harmony. When it got to the point where I would tense up when he put a plate in front of me, it was time.

Leave your bloke alone, you sound like a bully OP.

PieceOfString · 15/08/2021 09:22

Wow, Op sounds like anything but a bully to me, I think we've read her posts very differently.

category12 · 15/08/2021 09:31

I think OP is in real danger of becoming the cunt in the middle of her partner's jigsaw. www.netflix.com/gb/title/80223685

category12 · 15/08/2021 09:33

That is to say, when you need to ask someone to change themselves significantly in order to be with them, you're being cruel and unfair to them.

grapewine · 15/08/2021 09:36

I think you need to leave him alone and let him be who he is.

If you've got the ick, the best thing to do for both of you is to call it quits.

TheAverageUser · 15/08/2021 09:37

@KurtWilde

It requires a bit of effort and generosity on my side to look past these habits and see the person that I love.

This isn't really the statement of someone who loves someone though. You seem quite critical of him, and you talk about him like he's a child who needs to learn the 'right' way to be. I don't think you sound at all compatible.

^ This
gannett · 15/08/2021 09:43

I don't think OP sounds like a bully, but she clearly spends a lot of time thinking about the state of her relationship. Perhaps overthinking. Some insights are valuable but not to the extent that you tie yourself in knots.

I was just unsure if eating separately is giving us space and handling it maturely, albeit in an unorthodox way, or if it means further distance.

I think eating separately would be perfect for you and your DH. You sound like you're uncomfortable because it's not the norm - well, IMO there aren't many general rules you can apply to relationships. It's what works for you.

It doesn't sound like mealtimes are a way you and your DH connect anyway, so feel free to bypass them.

What other support networks do you have? I don't think one's partner can be everything you need in life at all times. It's important to be able to go to other friends for the kind of conversation, activity etc you need.

billy1966 · 15/08/2021 09:45

OP,

You sound like you are really seeing who you married.

A good man, who ticked a lot of boxes but not the right one for you.

You are desperately trying to talk yourself round, in circles.

This is not a relationship that is going to satisfy you long term.

Ye are not a good match.

You have the Ick and it will only grow.

You wish to change his whole personality and that is simply too much.

Wishing to never speak is strange and I wonder is he a bit depressed.

When people have low mood they often don't like the effort of communication.

Flowers
SylvanianFrenemies · 15/08/2021 10:00

You sound quite overbearing. Try focussing on your husband's company and not on how he does things. If he is walking on eggshells he's not going to be at his best. What did you say or do when he apologised? It sounds like he is looking for reassurance of your love, and less behaviour policing.

hopeishere · 15/08/2021 10:03

Someone going on about how I was eating would make me very tense as well. That's your issue not his.

Maybe play some music or the radio or an audiobook during mealtimes.

You sound very analytical about it all.

BorderlineHappy · 15/08/2021 10:22

You're 18 months in and he's annoying you so much.Its evident you want to change him.

But you where flatmates for years.
Did it not bother you then all the not talking and banging his fork.

If I was to read that and not know it's 18 months.
I would think you've been married 20 years and it's the end of the relationship.

You want to change him too much.
And I'm betting if he did what you asked,you'd be moaning about something else.

Balonzette · 15/08/2021 10:36

I'm replying without reading the thread as I do not want to be influenced and want to be honest. So honestly... My reading of this was that you have some control issues. You fundamentally criticise and disagree with the way your husband does things. You see your way as correct and feel the need to constantly correct him. You undermine him a lot. He's probably feeling really beaten down. You MUST have noticed these things before you married him? My husband is a quiet guy too and I do generally initiate the conversation but I noticed this before marrying him. I wouldn't sort of beat him down about it or try to train him out of it?! It's just the way he is. Same thing about the fork bashing against the teeth. To me this read as really controlling. You're framing it as out of concern but it's not your concern. He's a grown man and your belittling him and picking at him. As for the cooking, sorry but that's just plain hurtful and rude. I'd eat some overcooked eggs and mushrooms - its not like he undercooked chicken!! - to spare my husband's feelings after he'd gone to the trouble to cook. He'd do the same to me. Why can't you give him a break? It feels like you're trying to train him like a dog. I genuinely feel sorry for the guy, this must be really awful to live with. Just being picked at and nagged because of who you are/your character/your habits/not getting something perfect. I'm actually shocked it was you who walked out and not him, as I feel he's the one who should have. if you're not careful he's gonna walk out one day, though, and not come back. For the same of his own mental health and self esteem it might be a good thing.

Balonzette · 15/08/2021 10:52

Read the thread and this stood out:

"We both have toxic relationships behind, and for me at least, this is the first relationship where I can be myself on a daily basis"

and all I could think was - this sounds like a really toxic relationship, for him. He can't be himself at all. You're literally saying he needs to get therapy so he can STOP being himself and behave more like you.

Even in your replies when you're saying he's okay after all, you're STILL criticising and saying that he needs to 'work through in therapy' something which is just a part of his personality.

Just because he's different to you, doesn't mean he needs therapy to become more like you.

Or if anyone needs to have therapy to deal with the fact that the two of you have differences, why can't it be you having therapy to come to terms with the fact that people are different/you can't control/change people?

This is really sad to read.

Anniegetyourgun · 15/08/2021 10:53

Well, it sounds like you originally connected when you didn't eat meals together. It shouldn't drive you apart now. The trouble seems to be that you have very different expectations of what mealtimes should be like, which are getting in the way of what works for you. You may like how meals were done when you were growing up but that isn't the only "right" way to do it. This applies to both of you, of course (though it sounds like your experience was happier, to be fair).

You describe a lovely relationship, where one partner being more talkative than another is more a complementary than negative factor, but then when you get around the table to eat it all goes to pieces. Definitely I'd say eat apart for a while, but work it out over time. A pp's suggestion of non-formal buffet type food may also help as it makes the whole thing casual and cures the fork issue!

I wish you the best of luck.

MrsSkylerWhite · 15/08/2021 10:57

Hen2018

Poor guy. I’d hardly be able to swallow my food after all that criticism.“

This. He is who he is and presumably always has been. I couldn’t live my life under your microscope.
If you’re unhappy with him, move on without him. You can’t mould a human being to your liking.