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Male friend pushing for relationship

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JackFairy · 17/07/2021 10:30

N/C for this. I’ve been separated from my exh for around 5 years now, quite wary of starting a new relationship after a disastrous marriage. I have a male friend who I have a nice connection with, and recently he’s asked if I’d be interested in something more. I said I really don’t want to lead him on and I’m not convinced I’m cut out for relationships, and I still have issues with my ex to sort through before I consider another relationship.

For some reason over the past month or so he’s gone from no pressure/respecting my boundaries to sending me random flowers and gifts. His messages have also become very full on, lots of telling me how amazing I am and everything he says he clarifies it with ‘you can trust me..’ like he thinks I haven’t heard that before! He seems to be under the impression that because my ex turned out to be abusive that he must’ve started out that way, and that he probably never said nice things to me. He was surprised when I said my relationship with my exh started out lovely, he was loving and attentive and gave me no reason not to trust him. Things went awry when I was pregnant with our DD, a cycle of nice/nasty behaviour, and a couple of random flings with work colleagues when he worked away - the second of which became serious and he left me for her.

Anyway, like most people I’ve heard all this ‘trust me I’d never hurt you’ stuff before, so I’ve been trying to gently explain that I can’t just automatically trust him, but he seems to think I can. And him saying things like ‘when I say this I mean it, unlike your exh..’ it feels cringey and instead of making me want to consider exploring a relationship with him it’s actually starting to give me the ick.

Last night his messages were so over the top I was close to blocking him. You must trust me, I’m one of the good guys, I’m gonna book a hotel (he lives about 2 hours away) and spend a few days with you and prove what kind of person I am. And I just felt suffocated and railroaded into agreeing to him coming for a visit when in reality he knows I’m on my own with DC and I’m lucky if I get a child free afternoon/evening for a coffee or a meal, I certainly can’t entertain him for a few days! I’d be open to talking about and arranging a day that suits both of us, but I refuse to feel pressured into it being a date/a few days. But that’s not good enough, he’s intent on steaming ahead because I ‘should be over it by now..’

So I finally got upset with the whole thing and told him that everything he’s saying I’ve heard before, that he’s being way too pushy with wanting to come for a few days visit, and that he’s getting ahead of himself in general because I’ve always been very clear in saying I still have trust issues to work through and don’t feel like a relationship is the best idea. Also he doesn’t get to tell me when I should be ‘over it’!

Now he’s in a massive huff. He’s shocked and stunned and surprised by what I said. Why?? I once again reminded him I’ve always been up front about not wanting to start a relationship and that he knows I’m still working through what went on in my marriage. We’re not even divorced yet, but that’s a whole other thread.

I’d felt really comfortable talking to this guy, he’s been a good friend, but now I feel like he’s just been getting me to open up so he could slowly reel me in in the hopes he could change my mind, and I don’t like how that feels. I tried to speak to him on a neutral topic this morning and he ignored me. Then he's just messaged saying he’s still upset with me. I suggested we talk it through but he refused. I understand he didn’t like what I said but it was all just getting too much. Somehow he’s managed to make it all about him and I’ve found myself apologising for expressing my feelings.

It took me a long time to fix my boundaries, I don’t feel like compromising them now just to please him. I’m left wondering do I even try and salvage this friendship?

Advice/input welcome!

OP posts:
WhoIsPepeSilva · 19/07/2021 18:24

Got a couple of paragraphs in on the original post, roughly to the repetition of "trust me" and scrolled down to post that you should run from anyone who needs to tell you what quality they possess in spades like this, it's invariably a lie. Those that do display that quality don't need to blow their own trumpet about it, they just quietly are.

However, I noticed 4 pages so filtered your replies OP and just want to say...

Oh how I love a happy ending for once! Flowers for you and a congratulations for seeing the red flags and acting on them! Seriously well done.

JackFairy · 19/07/2021 22:28

Thanks for the responses, you're all so kind!

I'm feeling very good about myself, better than I have for a while tbh. I could feel the friendship dynamic becoming stifling and weird as he started piling on the 'charm' - and he knew it was thoroughly unwanted and unreciprocated!

It took a lot to regain peace for me and my DC after my marriage, I'm not sure I'll ever be ready to give that up! I thought he'd understood that but clearly not.

I had a couple more calls late last night from random numbers and I didn't answer, I've blocked them just in case. All quiet today so I'm hoping he's finally getting the message.

As someone said upthread, someone could be the nicest guy on earth but if you don't want a relationship then you don't want one! I remember one time he said it was 'such a waste' when I told him I was happily single. That grossed me out a bit I must say!

Anyway, I've definitely felt a weight lift after blocking him, so onwards and upwards!

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Babymamamama · 20/07/2021 08:46

I can relate OP. I’m also “happily single”. People say give it time, you never know. But honestly I’m happy just the way I am with my DC. Enjoy your freedom - it’s priceless.

JackFairy · 20/07/2021 09:42

@Babymamamama

I can relate OP. I’m also “happily single”. People say give it time, you never know. But honestly I’m happy just the way I am with my DC. Enjoy your freedom - it’s priceless.
100%
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HeavenHotel · 26/07/2021 09:46

How's it going @JackFairy? Did he leave you in peace?

JackFairy · 26/07/2021 10:33

Hi heaven, thanks for checking in! It was all quiet until Saturday when I had a random email to my work email address - which I didn't even know he had! A very long winded and angry email which I must admit put the wind up me a bit! Every other sentence was about how cross he was with me, interspersed with apologising for being crap and for not being what I wanted in a man. How he was desperate to see me and would I consider meeting him to talk it through.

I'll be honest I spent the weekend worried he'd just turn up, he sounded so angry and nasty in the email. I'm a little bit wary of him now, started wondering if I should just say fine let's be friends then! I ended up emailing back saying it's nothing personal and he knows how I feel about relationships and to please just let it be. He replied that he can't just let it go that easily. I'm at a loss tbh, I'm worried about winding him up but I don't want to start a back and forth with him about everything again.

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GenuineKlatchianPottery · 26/07/2021 10:43

He’s now crossed into harassment territory OP.
If I was in your position I’d send one final message telling him to stop contacting you and that if he tries to contact you in any way again you will report it to the police.
Keep any messages he’s sent as proof of his harassment.

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 26/07/2021 10:48

Agree with @GenuineKlatchianPottery. Now it's time to say you've made yourself clear and if he continues to harass you, this will be reported to the police.

Sparklfairy · 26/07/2021 10:57

He replied that he can't just let it go that easily.

This would really spook me, especially after all you've been through. Whilst I'm a fan of the block and ignore, this guy isn't going to go away and has proved that despite being blocked he'll keep pushing.

You need to send one last message saying, "I don't want to see or hear from you again. If you contact me again I will contact the police." Obviously you don't actually need to but you need to draw a firm line in the sand now.

I would be so on edge that he's running out of options and will turn up. He's not getting anywhere with email/phone and if he's so convinced he can "force" you into some kind of relationship with you, the next step is to ramp up to in-person convincing.

Horrible, creepy, arrogant man.

SStopRaisingHim · 26/07/2021 11:05

Good on you! Wow! I hope other women in a similar boat see your strength and self respect.

It does sound like a stereotypical start to a coercive relationship & thankfully one you will not be part of! Flowers

JackFairy · 26/07/2021 11:07

That's what I was worrying about @GenuineKlatchianPottery the emails aren't threatening but they're very angry and whilst I think I've been dealing with it ok so far, I'm starting to feel like I feel when I have to deal with my exh - jumpy and on edge. I will send him one final message and that's it. If he keeps trying to contact me I'll have to take it further I guess.

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SStopRaisingHim · 26/07/2021 11:07

@Sparklfairy

He replied that he can't just let it go that easily.

This would really spook me, especially after all you've been through. Whilst I'm a fan of the block and ignore, this guy isn't going to go away and has proved that despite being blocked he'll keep pushing.

You need to send one last message saying, "I don't want to see or hear from you again. If you contact me again I will contact the police." Obviously you don't actually need to but you need to draw a firm line in the sand now.

I would be so on edge that he's running out of options and will turn up. He's not getting anywhere with email/phone and if he's so convinced he can "force" you into some kind of relationship with you, the next step is to ramp up to in-person convincing.

Horrible, creepy, arrogant man.

I don’t agree. Better to stonewall narcs. Once they realise you’re no use to them & they can’t manipulate them they will bounce onto the next person. It might take a few days but hang tight & he’ll be gone soon enough.
Sparklfairy · 26/07/2021 11:11

@SStopRaisingHim I'm not disputing what you're saying but from my own experience (unfortunately with more than one of these types!) by stating that there will be a clear and serious consequence for their actions and then blocking, it is the only thing that truly works. Dont forget these narcissists have a very carefully crafted public image to protect and won't want that ruined by having the police involved.

TomsNooks · 26/07/2021 11:13

Send him an email saying you don't want a relationship, you don't want him to contact you again and if he does contact you again, you will report him to the police for harassment.

TomsNooks · 26/07/2021 11:13

And block his email from your works account.

xsquared · 26/07/2021 11:13

@JackFairy It does get worse before it gets better. Absolutely do not relent to just being friends because as long as you make one small compromise, he will think he can get away with anything and make it look like you consented.

No point in being nice to spare his feelings, just one message to say you do not want further contact and that you will treat it as harassment, and go to police if he doesn't respect your wishes.

JackFairy · 26/07/2021 11:31

Yeah unfortunately after dealing with my exh I know exactly how this all goes. Didn't ever think I'd have to deal with it in a friendship though! Exh didn't go quietly either, I fell back into that dynamic a couple of times before I finally said absolutely no more not now not ever. I've had wobbles but I've stuck to that.

I've tried the grey rock approach over the past week but he's not having it, so one last email once again reiterating everything I've said to him before, just in case he's under any illusions that all this fiasco will have made me suddenly change my mind.

It's just seems so daft really, we had quite a nice friendship I thought, but now I'm thinking he was only fostering it in the hopes it would be something more!

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FantasticButtocks · 26/07/2021 11:36

@JackFairy

Yeah unfortunately after dealing with my exh I know exactly how this all goes. Didn't ever think I'd have to deal with it in a friendship though! Exh didn't go quietly either, I fell back into that dynamic a couple of times before I finally said absolutely no more not now not ever. I've had wobbles but I've stuck to that.

I've tried the grey rock approach over the past week but he's not having it, so one last email once again reiterating everything I've said to him before, just in case he's under any illusions that all this fiasco will have made me suddenly change my mind.

It's just seems so daft really, we had quite a nice friendship I thought, but now I'm thinking he was only fostering it in the hopes it would be something more!

How about a simple message from you to finish this?

Hi, your persistence with all the phone calls, emails and messages, is actually really off putting, and has clarified for me that I definitely don't want a relationship with you. It's a shame you think I owe you, but I disagree. We need to leave things here now. Please don't get in touch again.

No more of this business about not being ready for a a relationship. You don't want a relationship with him! Make it clear. Then never answer him again.

DoingItMyself · 26/07/2021 11:40

You're single.
He's done his groundwork - the 'nice guy' act - for five years.
He feels entitled to your fanny.
It's his.

Unless you make it absolutely clear that your friendship is over, he'll keep trying to wear you down.

DoingItMyself · 26/07/2021 11:41

Hmm... maybe not the five years... but you know what I mean.

JackFairy · 26/07/2021 11:48

Thanks all, a short to the point message and then I'll block him on my work email too. Not even sure how he got it in the first place Confused

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JohnStonesMissus · 26/07/2021 11:58

Yep, he's love bombing you...run for the hills

memberofthewedding · 26/07/2021 12:03

Get yourself a gay male friend so you dont have this pressure.

TheAwfuITruth · 26/07/2021 12:05

Be really, bluntly, clear in your message. The fact that you don't want a romantic relationship with anyone at the moment is by the by.
The key bit he needs to accept is that you do not want a romantic relationship with HIM. Therefore nothing he says, or does will have any impact at all.

Then block him.

Clymene · 26/07/2021 12:08

[quote xsquared]@JackFairy It does get worse before it gets better. Absolutely do not relent to just being friends because as long as you make one small compromise, he will think he can get away with anything and make it look like you consented.

No point in being nice to spare his feelings, just one message to say you do not want further contact and that you will treat it as harassment, and go to police if he doesn't respect your wishes.[/quote]
Yes do this. Don't apologise. Be very, very clear.

Fucking stalking creep

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