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Male friend pushing for relationship

115 replies

JackFairy · 17/07/2021 10:30

N/C for this. I’ve been separated from my exh for around 5 years now, quite wary of starting a new relationship after a disastrous marriage. I have a male friend who I have a nice connection with, and recently he’s asked if I’d be interested in something more. I said I really don’t want to lead him on and I’m not convinced I’m cut out for relationships, and I still have issues with my ex to sort through before I consider another relationship.

For some reason over the past month or so he’s gone from no pressure/respecting my boundaries to sending me random flowers and gifts. His messages have also become very full on, lots of telling me how amazing I am and everything he says he clarifies it with ‘you can trust me..’ like he thinks I haven’t heard that before! He seems to be under the impression that because my ex turned out to be abusive that he must’ve started out that way, and that he probably never said nice things to me. He was surprised when I said my relationship with my exh started out lovely, he was loving and attentive and gave me no reason not to trust him. Things went awry when I was pregnant with our DD, a cycle of nice/nasty behaviour, and a couple of random flings with work colleagues when he worked away - the second of which became serious and he left me for her.

Anyway, like most people I’ve heard all this ‘trust me I’d never hurt you’ stuff before, so I’ve been trying to gently explain that I can’t just automatically trust him, but he seems to think I can. And him saying things like ‘when I say this I mean it, unlike your exh..’ it feels cringey and instead of making me want to consider exploring a relationship with him it’s actually starting to give me the ick.

Last night his messages were so over the top I was close to blocking him. You must trust me, I’m one of the good guys, I’m gonna book a hotel (he lives about 2 hours away) and spend a few days with you and prove what kind of person I am. And I just felt suffocated and railroaded into agreeing to him coming for a visit when in reality he knows I’m on my own with DC and I’m lucky if I get a child free afternoon/evening for a coffee or a meal, I certainly can’t entertain him for a few days! I’d be open to talking about and arranging a day that suits both of us, but I refuse to feel pressured into it being a date/a few days. But that’s not good enough, he’s intent on steaming ahead because I ‘should be over it by now..’

So I finally got upset with the whole thing and told him that everything he’s saying I’ve heard before, that he’s being way too pushy with wanting to come for a few days visit, and that he’s getting ahead of himself in general because I’ve always been very clear in saying I still have trust issues to work through and don’t feel like a relationship is the best idea. Also he doesn’t get to tell me when I should be ‘over it’!

Now he’s in a massive huff. He’s shocked and stunned and surprised by what I said. Why?? I once again reminded him I’ve always been up front about not wanting to start a relationship and that he knows I’m still working through what went on in my marriage. We’re not even divorced yet, but that’s a whole other thread.

I’d felt really comfortable talking to this guy, he’s been a good friend, but now I feel like he’s just been getting me to open up so he could slowly reel me in in the hopes he could change my mind, and I don’t like how that feels. I tried to speak to him on a neutral topic this morning and he ignored me. Then he's just messaged saying he’s still upset with me. I suggested we talk it through but he refused. I understand he didn’t like what I said but it was all just getting too much. Somehow he’s managed to make it all about him and I’ve found myself apologising for expressing my feelings.

It took me a long time to fix my boundaries, I don’t feel like compromising them now just to please him. I’m left wondering do I even try and salvage this friendship?

Advice/input welcome!

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Nonmaquillee · 17/07/2021 14:25

@JackFairy

Thanks all. I've done a lot of work on myself after exh and I'm not about to let someone trash it.
No, please don’t. So many red flags here, especially the “getting in a huff “ once you’ve rejected him. I would block him and never look back.
JackFairy · 17/07/2021 14:30

@Aquamarine1029 he's a 2 hour drive away, so I won't bump into him locally. If he does turn up I won't be answering the door.

Thanks all for your kind words!

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TerraNovaTwo · 17/07/2021 14:37

I've been here, exh too. Well done for blocking him. Keep protecting your peace, OP Flowers

www.oomm.live/the-shark-cage-metaphor-spotting-potential-abusers/

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 17/07/2021 14:48

I tried to speak to him on a neutral topic this morning and he ignored me. Then he's just messaged saying he’s still upset with me. I suggested we talk it through

There's your mistake. You're still letting him in. Contacting him because he's' upset?!!

You either want him in your life or you don't. Don't give him the chance if you don't want to be controlled! Because that's what you'll get.

Jesus he's even given ME The Ick! He sounds deeply unpleasant. Block and forget.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 17/07/2021 14:49

Just saw the update! Well done @JackFairy WineThanksCake

JackFairy · 17/07/2021 15:00

You're absolutely right @Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel I was just nonplussed as to how I'd upset him as I've clearly stated many times to that I'm happy to be friends but nothing more. I suppose I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I did want him in my life as the friend he was supposed to be, but not as this boundary pushing arse!

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Redruby2020 · 17/07/2021 15:03

God, imagine what he would be like in a relationship!!

Isthisit22 · 17/07/2021 15:09

There's no friendship here to salvage- just a predatory male using all the same old tired lines to try to get control over you.
Well done for recognising that. Block and move on

layladomino · 17/07/2021 15:11

It's shocking that he constantly ignores your feelings / your boundaries, and then you call him out on it, he has you apologising for upsetting you!! There's only onle person that's done anything here and it's him.

So pleased you saw it for what it was. Please don't apologise to him any more. Ideally block and lose contact. Although I'd be tempted to send one more message 'You've proved yourself to be controlling and a bully, just like my ex' before blocking. But wiser people than me would probably say no contact is better.

xsquared · 17/07/2021 17:12

He is absolutely not your friend as he doesn't respect your boundaries and I'd being extremely manipulative in trying to steer you into a relationship.

There are tell tale signs of an abuser and it will only get worse if you don't go no contact.
Walk away from this, block his number and on SM. You may find that it gets worse before it gets better, but be patient and remain firm in no contact.

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JackFairy · 17/07/2021 18:41

I had a missed call from a landline number and a voicemail. I never had his landline, hadn't even considered he might have one actually! If it's even his? Anyway. Why have I blocked him? Does he not deserve an explanation 'after all he's done for me..' By which I'm assuming he means being my friend for the last couple of years, which is surely a two way street, so I'm not sure why he thinks I owe him something!

I have typed up a response should he manage to contact me on a new SM account, but I really hope he just lets it go!

Onward!

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PicsInRed · 17/07/2021 18:46

If you respond, it teaches him that he simply needs to pester you x number of times for a response. The onward path here is no contact of any kind. Ever. Or he'll start up full blast again and you'll be back at square one. Flowers

ChaToilLeam · 17/07/2021 18:51

What an arse he is, @JackFairy! Totally showing his true colours, pushy and entitled and thinking that you owe him a relationship. Well swerved! 🏆

Babymamamama · 17/07/2021 18:51

Yuck. This is why I don’t have men as friends. Honestly. I find there is always something at the back of their minds and I don’t mean that arrogantly. He sounds kind of stalkerish so keep him as far away as possible.

FavouriteMug · 17/07/2021 19:06

If possible, try to refrain using your previous relationship experience as a reason for not wanting to pursue this one as it just gives him ammunition to try and 'prove' he is different.

His behaviour, all by itself is enough reason. Even if your previous relationship was great, he is displaying all the red flags by completely disregarding your feelings and continuing to push.

Tell him to fuck off and to NEVER contact you again. Then block. He is neither relationship material or friendship material.

HeavenHotel · 17/07/2021 19:12

Omg!! Well done you... I don't know you and I'm proud of you!!

Here have some flowers from a randomer off the internet! Thanks

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 17/07/2021 19:16

I would just block and ignore but if you were to say anything then something along the lines of I told you repeatedly that I didn't want a relationship with you. I don't owe you a romantic relationship with me and all you have done is prove to me that you do not respect my boundaries.

Dontbeme · 17/07/2021 19:17

If he persists and manages to contact you by email or Facebook or whatever just send a short message "l no longer want any contact from you, do not contact me again" no explanations, no discussions, no justifying your reasons. You can end a friendship at any time for any reason, the fact he thinks he is owed something from you shows he was working with an ulterior motive all along, he just has now shown his hand.

thenewduchessofhastings · 17/07/2021 19:21

Realistically if you wanted a relationship with him you'd be attracted to him,you'd be looking forward to his messages,be actively looking for an excuse for him to visit,he'd make you heart flutter when you think about him and make something else flutter as well when you think about him 😉

No man should ever have to convince a woman to have a relationship with him,no woman should be pressured into a relationship she doesn't want;there's the courtship stage of a relationship and then there's stalkerish behaviour.

Maybe it's time to cut your losses and let your friend go.Go NC and block him across all platforms.

JackFairy · 17/07/2021 20:35

Yeah I blocked him earlier today hence him calling from a random number, which is also now blocked!

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JackFairy · 17/07/2021 20:55

Thanks @HeavenHotel Smile

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TheSecondMrsAshwell · 19/07/2021 10:29

Sorry to be late to the party.

I actually gasped out loud when I read the bit about him staying in a local hotel to convince you tat he was nice.

Well done you on blocking him.

lemonadecar · 19/07/2021 10:47

This sounds so bad - just go completely no contact. He is trying to draw you into a web of indebtedness and feelings and obligations (even to reply). Never contact him again, I am certain he's poison.

Bridezillamaybe · 19/07/2021 13:35

Hi OP,

Well done for blocking him. How dare he demand everything on his schedule. It's not even about you having previous with an abusive ex and trust issues, it's about wanting things or not wanting things at your own pace. You hadn't even decided if you were attracted to him. And then his sulking and punishing you was just a huge warning sign to not trust him.

Please don't think you are responsible for this or attracting these dickheads. I once watched almost objectively as a guy I met briefly went down this road with me - I bumped into him in a bar and we had a short pleasant surface chat. He asked for my number, I said yes and that was that.

A barrage of messages and phonecalls then followed. I was not free for the next couple of weekends. He suggested I come for a weekend away to an island where he worked. I was alarmed at the suggestion and said no thanks. I then said a few messages later that I had reconsidered meeting at all as my life was very busy right now with a lot of stress going on (this was true, I had medical issues). He said he would help me with my stress. I said no thank you I've been clear, I do not want to meet, nice meeting you but please stop messaging me. More voicemails about how we can talk this out etc. I blocked him. Messages from different numbers first saying how deeply I've hurt him then getting nastier talkign about 'women like me hanging around bars' and 'no wonder I'm single'

DoorAjar · 19/07/2021 13:41

Good call, OP. He sounds like a thoroughly unpleasant piece of work, albeit one who's done you a favour by showing his hand at the initial stage. How depressing, though, to think that someone you once viewed as a good friend has turned out to be an utter creep. As a pp said, he sounds exactly like one of those guys who will have converted this interaction into 'Women only like bastards, not nice guys like me', rather than the reality of 'Women recovering from a marriage to a bastard are rightly keen on keeping iron-clad boundaries with someone who seems to think they don't apply to him.'

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