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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I am so trapped

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Cornfieldrainbows · 15/07/2021 06:56

I want to leave DH but despite me being unhappy for 17 years my mum is pushing hard for me to stay because of the dc. And probably because she doesn’t want the shame of a divorced child.

She said I chose to have the dc, now it doesn’t matter if I’m happy or not. I’m really struggling. I wake in the morning feeling like I cannot breathe. My heart is racing. I’m not sleeping well, waking about 4am, and I’m not eating.
My mum keeps telling me how heartbroken the dc will be, that I will be poor, that I could lose them 50% of the time and they would hate that. That I will have no time nor money to do anything with them. That I will still be unhappy because my dc will be so unhappy.
Her answer? I wait another 13 years for dc2 to be 18. In 13 years I will be 50 and so worn down that I will have given up, if I make it that far which is debatable tbh.
We’d have to go and stay with my parents if I left DH so there’s no way of avoiding her. I hear what she’s saying and I suppose she is right. It is deeply selfish not to stay for the dc, who are happy, doing well at school and generally very settled.
I married DH partly because she wanted me to and I was young. Have I got to pay for that decision forever? It seems I have.
I cannot see a way forwards anymore. I just feel trapped. DH is slightly controlling and I am squashed, I am not who I was when we married. I was 20. He was 30. I feel I’ve changed so much and I feel this awful disconnect all the time. My mum says it’s because of covid but I felt it before that, although covid hasn’t helped.
DH isn’t a very involved father currently and never has been. All of the mental load falls on me and most of the practical stuff too. Currently he has them on his own one evening a week when I go out but only after I’ve got youngest dc to bed. Oldest dc is 11 and so not as demanding. He’s never willingly taken any of it on and he’s watched me struggle with things like the fact dc1 didn’t sleep through until he was 4 and he never once gave me a night off. It’s always ‘they settle better for you.’
He works hard, he has a good job, he does love me and the dc but I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life. I don’t feel like a person in my own right. He says the right things, for example I’ve taken a more demanding role at work with more hours and he did a lot of ‘ill support you whatever you want to do’ before I accepted. I started four months ago and in that four months he’s not practically helped me with anything. He’s not done a single school run, he’s not done anything in the house. I run my day around the children, working through lunch, rushing around, fetching them, coming back and doing another hour or so at work. Everything falls on me. I had a small crying breakdown about two months ago and he said he’d help me but nothing has changed although we now get take out or eat out once a week so I don’t have to cook.
I’m no longer attracted to him and so rarely have sex unless there’s no other option to. But it is rare. Two years and counting.
My mum says so what. If I left him I would be doing it all on my own anyway, plus the dc would be upset, plus I would be poor, she thinks it would all be worse and maybe she is right. I feel so trapped and it makes me feel like giving up. I just want to go to bed and never get back up again. I am already on antidepressants. I want to get back to a place where I feel like me again and I don’t know how to do that. I do know it hasn’t always been as awful as this with DH, I think since dc2 was born and I had PND it’s got much much worse. Mainly because he carried on totally as normal and I was barely functioning. Again he didn’t ever give me a lie in or get up at night when they were a baby. The PND hit me like a brick and I will admit since then I’ve never felt well, I’ve always felt a background level of anxiety. I can think of maybe two or three occasions since I had dc2 five years ago where I’ve not felt anxious. Unfortunately it arrived when she did, like an unwelcome additional child.

My mum thinks that’s why I don’t want to be with DH, that I’ve not recovered from the birth of dc2. I can’t imagine now ever being the person I was before I had her. I cannot imagine ever feeling optimistic or happy or even just less anxious. I get up in the mornings and wait to go back to bed. The best time of my life is when I am asleep. I just struggle through the days putting a brave face on it. I am incredibly lonely.

I love my dc so much. I don’t want to transfer this awful feeling to them. I worry that in breaking their family I will break them. I worry that my mum is right, that I am not capable of managing this. My mum never thinks I am capable of anything. When I went for this job she told me I wouldn’t cope, my children would suffer with me working more hours and I was putting my job in front of them. I spent four years as a sahp after dc2. I work my hours around them as best I can. I do everything I can to mitigate any cost to them - and yet DH just gets to do whatever he wants.

Sorry that was really long. I’m feeling desperate this morning.

OP posts:
Sarahlou63 · 17/08/2021 22:48

@smartiecake - I think you've summed up perfectly what most people on this thread are thinking. I hope @Cornfieldrainbows knows this.

billy1966 · 18/08/2021 08:25

@smartiecake

Exactly.
Thinking of you OP.
Flowers

Cornfieldrainbows · 18/08/2021 08:34

Thank you.
I’ve woken with the panicky can’t breathe feeling, this is unfortunately very familiar.
I want to want to go back, I want my children to have a proper family. That’s what I come back to.
I am not ready to go away on Friday, practically. But I will try my best to get everything ready and done so we can go.
Ds was upset last night too. Basically everyone is upset and I just can’t cope with it.

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Cavagirl · 18/08/2021 09:24

OP can I ask, what's stopping you reaching out to an agency like Women's Aid?

smartiecake · 18/08/2021 09:33

I mean this in the nicest possible way OP but when you say you want a 'proper family' why does that have to mean a mum and a dad? You and the kids is a proper family, families come in all shapes and sizes and blends. Does a proper family include an abusive relationship? But its ok as long as mum and dad are together?
Please call womens aid or speak to someone impartial. You can take steps to get some breathing space and head space and not going on holiday is the first step. Your kids will be fine if you don't go back. One day at a time and don't make any rash decisions you will regret.

LucyLovesCheese · 18/08/2021 10:17

If you go back you will be trapped- your Dh has already told you as much.
I think you need to get away from your Mums house ASAP.
Practically have you claimed for anything?
Have you told your DH to give you any money?
Can you ask the council for help/deposit for a place?
Realistically I think until you have your own space you are going to find it hard to get some clarity.
Please don’t go on the holiday, if you go you know that will be it.
Are you avoiding asking for money etc because you are worried about the answer or do you know the answer will be no?
Sorry about all the questions- can you take a walk at least and think, try and take emotion out and think what you can practically do?
Try and look after yourself eat and rest x

billy1966 · 18/08/2021 11:09

@Cornfieldrainbows

Thank you. I’ve woken with the panicky can’t breathe feeling, this is unfortunately very familiar. I want to want to go back, I want my children to have a proper family. That’s what I come back to. I am not ready to go away on Friday, practically. But I will try my best to get everything ready and done so we can go. Ds was upset last night too. Basically everyone is upset and I just can’t cope with it.
It reads like you are determined to return and go on holiday.

You haven't contacted anyone for help.
GP, solicitor, women's aid, work, the police, DA organisations, anyone.

Unfortunately these feelings are going to only get worse, so you will just have to try and get used to them.

You are determined to do something that is against your best interests and your gut is screaming so loud thatvit is giving you panicky feelings as it tries to get you to not to ignore danger.

This is only going to get worse for you as you place no value on your life.

In life you have to help yourself in this situation before others can help you.

I feel so sorry for you, but this is your life until you choose otherwise.

Flowers
Ogham · 18/08/2021 11:42

“It reads like you are determined to return and go on holiday.

You haven't contacted anyone for help.
GP, solicitor, women's aid, work, the police, DA organisations, anyone.

Unfortunately these feelings are going to only get worse, so you will just have to try and get used to them.

You are determined to do something that is against your best interests and your gut is screaming so loud thatvit is giving you panicky feelings as it tries to get you to not to ignore danger.

This is only going to get worse for you as you place no value on your life.

In life you have to help yourself in this situation before others can help you.

I feel so sorry for you, but this is your life until you choose otherwise.“

.... I agree @billy1966 unfortunately OP isn’t at the point of reaching out for practical help.

Sarahlou63 · 18/08/2021 11:49

@Cornfieldrainbows - by trying to please everybody you're going to end up pleasing nobody and they are all going to blame you which will fuck your mental health for years to come.

Time to toughen up. You are in an abusive marriage (sadly like many people who post on MN) so you need to take charge, decide what is best for you and - by extension - your children and make it happen. By NOT doing that you are setting a terrible example to your children and empowering your husband to abuse you without fear of reprisal. Which includes raping you on this sham of a holiday.

So, make a plan. Get legal advice. Sort your finances. Close your ears to those who don't have YOUR best interests at heart. Toughen up.

bargelights · 18/08/2021 12:18

You do realise that your husband is the only person who will benefit if you go back? He will be thrilled to have you back, an unpaid housekeeper and childcare provider, not to mention an easy target for his constant sexual abuse.

But no one else will benefit. Your children certainly won’t, in either the long term or the short term. Neither will you, naturally. Your life will be the same misery it’s been for years. Or worse.

It’s a shame that you believe a “proper” family consists of an abusive environment. There are much more important things to family life than having married parents. Your children would be so much better off if you removed them from the situation.

Cornfieldrainbows · 18/08/2021 12:22

He’s said he will take my lead with the sex.
I feel so confused by everything.
I can’t see a way forward any of the ways.

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chemicalworld · 18/08/2021 12:26

you are feeling overwhelmed, which is why you need to take practical steps. You could cope financially but he needs to give you money. Why are you not asking for this?

JSL52 · 18/08/2021 12:29

@Cornfieldrainbows

He’s said he will take my lead with the sex. I feel so confused by everything. I can’t see a way forward any of the ways.
He won't. If you don't have sex with him he will sulk. Sad as it is your children need to get used to the fact you are splitting up. If you go in this holiday it will confuse everyone. You did well to get to your parents. Have you spoken to anyone such as WA ? As many PPs have suggested ? CSM ? You're paralysed by panic now - you'll feel sick lying next to him groping you. Makes me feel ill and I've never met him.
LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 18/08/2021 12:36

@Cornfieldrainbows

He’s said he will take my lead with the sex. I feel so confused by everything. I can’t see a way forward any of the ways.
Yet he thought it was okay to grope you while you were separated. He won't take your lead. He will push and push till you give in. And it will eat away at you that someone whose supposed to love and support you thinks it's ok to push and push and treat you badly till you have sex. It will hurt that your feelings don't matter, that he thinks he's entitled to your body, that his 'need' for sex is more important than your boundaries and your mental health. It's soul destroying.

If he was going to stop using you for sex he wouldn't have touched you unless and until you said you were willing to try having an intimate relationship again. If he was going to stop being financially abusive he'd be acting like a half decent person and contributing to his DCs needs. If he was going to take on more with DC, he would have done that already. Actions speak louder than words and his actions are those of an entitled selfish jerk, not a responsible, loving husband and father.

Cavagirl · 18/08/2021 13:08

@Cornfieldrainbows

He’s said he will take my lead with the sex. I feel so confused by everything. I can’t see a way forward any of the ways.
Of course you feel that way, it's totally understandable. But there's only so much forums like MN can help. You need to speak to someone in real life who will listen and help. Please ring Women's Aid OP. You're repeatedly ignoring PP asking why you've not done that, are you scared? Does it make it all a bit too real? Why? They can help you, please consider it.x
theworldsbiggestcrocodile · 18/08/2021 13:30

You sound so unhappy OP. My parents opposed my separation too, though they didn't have the full picture at the time re my exh...but that made it incredibly hard so I do sympathise. But you can't live your life like this.
The DC will adjust and cope. And your mum will just have to wear it to be honest. Anyone that loves you wouldnt want to see you this miserable.

Cornfieldrainbows · 18/08/2021 14:13

I don’t think I’ve been abused - which is why I won’t call WA. I’m confused by how reasonable DH is being. I expected him to he angry.
He will be angry if I say no to the holiday through. Angry and hurt I suppose.
I still care about him. It’s shed to hurt him and the dc.

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Cornfieldrainbows · 18/08/2021 14:13

It’s hard. Not shed.

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MMMarmite · 18/08/2021 14:15

He's not given you any money. He's groping you. This is financial and sexual abuse.

If you see this as surprisingly reasonable, it suggests that sometimes the abuse is even worse.

Cornfieldrainbows · 18/08/2021 14:40

But he’s also being kind. A lot of the time.

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Cornfieldrainbows · 18/08/2021 14:50

He’s never been this involved with the children, ever.
Maybe I just want us to be a proper family and I’ve had moments where it’s felt like that since we left - ironically.

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bargelights · 18/08/2021 15:26

In what way has he been reasonable? Has he done anything practical to demonstrate that life will be different? Or has he just made some reasonable-sounding noises? Talk is cheap.

If he thinks he's getting his own way, he will no doubt speak to you in ways that seem kind and reasonable. But once you assert yourself, even slightly, even if you do something as minor as refusing to go on holiday, I'd be willing to bet the kind and reasonable facade will vanish. And that's all it is, you know. A facade.

Cornfieldrainbows · 18/08/2021 15:26

Dd has just said - I’m much happier when it’s you and daddy together.
I have to go back, the guilt is going to drown me.

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Cornfieldrainbows · 18/08/2021 15:28

Well he’s stopped golfing and been out with us at the weekends. He’s talking about spending money on the house (which it badly needs). He’s been much more involved with the dc when we have been with him - not just lying down in front of the tv.

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bargelights · 18/08/2021 15:31

Most children say that. Even children who have witnessed or experienced horrific abuse. Do not make important life decisions based on the words of a confused 5-year-old.