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I am so trapped

732 replies

Cornfieldrainbows · 15/07/2021 06:56

I want to leave DH but despite me being unhappy for 17 years my mum is pushing hard for me to stay because of the dc. And probably because she doesn’t want the shame of a divorced child.

She said I chose to have the dc, now it doesn’t matter if I’m happy or not. I’m really struggling. I wake in the morning feeling like I cannot breathe. My heart is racing. I’m not sleeping well, waking about 4am, and I’m not eating.
My mum keeps telling me how heartbroken the dc will be, that I will be poor, that I could lose them 50% of the time and they would hate that. That I will have no time nor money to do anything with them. That I will still be unhappy because my dc will be so unhappy.
Her answer? I wait another 13 years for dc2 to be 18. In 13 years I will be 50 and so worn down that I will have given up, if I make it that far which is debatable tbh.
We’d have to go and stay with my parents if I left DH so there’s no way of avoiding her. I hear what she’s saying and I suppose she is right. It is deeply selfish not to stay for the dc, who are happy, doing well at school and generally very settled.
I married DH partly because she wanted me to and I was young. Have I got to pay for that decision forever? It seems I have.
I cannot see a way forwards anymore. I just feel trapped. DH is slightly controlling and I am squashed, I am not who I was when we married. I was 20. He was 30. I feel I’ve changed so much and I feel this awful disconnect all the time. My mum says it’s because of covid but I felt it before that, although covid hasn’t helped.
DH isn’t a very involved father currently and never has been. All of the mental load falls on me and most of the practical stuff too. Currently he has them on his own one evening a week when I go out but only after I’ve got youngest dc to bed. Oldest dc is 11 and so not as demanding. He’s never willingly taken any of it on and he’s watched me struggle with things like the fact dc1 didn’t sleep through until he was 4 and he never once gave me a night off. It’s always ‘they settle better for you.’
He works hard, he has a good job, he does love me and the dc but I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life. I don’t feel like a person in my own right. He says the right things, for example I’ve taken a more demanding role at work with more hours and he did a lot of ‘ill support you whatever you want to do’ before I accepted. I started four months ago and in that four months he’s not practically helped me with anything. He’s not done a single school run, he’s not done anything in the house. I run my day around the children, working through lunch, rushing around, fetching them, coming back and doing another hour or so at work. Everything falls on me. I had a small crying breakdown about two months ago and he said he’d help me but nothing has changed although we now get take out or eat out once a week so I don’t have to cook.
I’m no longer attracted to him and so rarely have sex unless there’s no other option to. But it is rare. Two years and counting.
My mum says so what. If I left him I would be doing it all on my own anyway, plus the dc would be upset, plus I would be poor, she thinks it would all be worse and maybe she is right. I feel so trapped and it makes me feel like giving up. I just want to go to bed and never get back up again. I am already on antidepressants. I want to get back to a place where I feel like me again and I don’t know how to do that. I do know it hasn’t always been as awful as this with DH, I think since dc2 was born and I had PND it’s got much much worse. Mainly because he carried on totally as normal and I was barely functioning. Again he didn’t ever give me a lie in or get up at night when they were a baby. The PND hit me like a brick and I will admit since then I’ve never felt well, I’ve always felt a background level of anxiety. I can think of maybe two or three occasions since I had dc2 five years ago where I’ve not felt anxious. Unfortunately it arrived when she did, like an unwelcome additional child.

My mum thinks that’s why I don’t want to be with DH, that I’ve not recovered from the birth of dc2. I can’t imagine now ever being the person I was before I had her. I cannot imagine ever feeling optimistic or happy or even just less anxious. I get up in the mornings and wait to go back to bed. The best time of my life is when I am asleep. I just struggle through the days putting a brave face on it. I am incredibly lonely.

I love my dc so much. I don’t want to transfer this awful feeling to them. I worry that in breaking their family I will break them. I worry that my mum is right, that I am not capable of managing this. My mum never thinks I am capable of anything. When I went for this job she told me I wouldn’t cope, my children would suffer with me working more hours and I was putting my job in front of them. I spent four years as a sahp after dc2. I work my hours around them as best I can. I do everything I can to mitigate any cost to them - and yet DH just gets to do whatever he wants.

Sorry that was really long. I’m feeling desperate this morning.

OP posts:
Cornfieldrainbows · 15/08/2021 17:49

They won’t want to go without me.

OP posts:
alh26 · 15/08/2021 17:50

Hi OP,

Sorry to hear what you're currently facing and that you feel trapped. No one can tell you what to do but it sounds like you're down a dark hole and struggling to get back up. My situation is not the same but I'm hoping what I am currently going through can help make you choose what's best.

I am 27 and my parents are late 50s. Earlier this year my brother (28) and I learnt my parents will be separating. This came out of nowhere and was a huge shock and I've not coped very well at all. I assumed that if your parents had been married 35 years then they were good for life but I was apparently naive.

My brother and I are heartbroken and are just watching the last 27 years of our lives fall from our feet. There is nothing we can do and the worst part is that we are adults so we know what is going on and the hurt and sadness is not hidden from us. How I wish this happened when we were children, when we would have been sheltered from the reasons why and the tears. When my parents would have then been at an age where they might find someone else to share their lives with. How I could then be living my late 20s without the stress and headache that I'm currently being put under.

Life happens but please don't wait for your children to be older, I believe it hurts us more as being a family of 4 is all I've ever known and now I have to adjust so far down in life. If you make the decision now, your DC will adjust, children are great at that. Don't let your mother guilt trip you ti stay as I promise you it'll be better for you and the DC in the long run.

I hope you figure out what's best for you.

RandomMess · 15/08/2021 17:57

Then don't go. Give both DC the choice to go away with Daddy or not but you won't be going.

This emotional blackmail needs to stop

bargelights · 15/08/2021 18:05

If your husband doesn't want to go on holiday without you (and I can imagine why he wouldn't, too much hard work for him and no chance to control you), then you could take the children without him. Simple. But if he really, truly wants to prove that he has changed, a holiday on his own with his children would be the perfect chance.

I know I'm just repeating what PPs have already said in this very thread. You've already received so much good advice on this and previous threads. Now the ball is in your court. You can change your life and your children's lives if you genuinely want to.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 15/08/2021 18:33

@Cornfieldrainbows

They won’t want to go without me.
And you still think he's a good dad?

Even though you know his children don't want to go on holiday with him unless you're there too?

Even though he doesn't look after them solo?

Even though he hasn't given any money to support them without the caveat of getting to grope you?

You cannot possibly think he is a good dad, not really.

He wants to play happy families, not actually do the work and make the effort that goes into a family being genuinely happy.

Cornfieldrainbows · 15/08/2021 18:41

I’m not sure - my youngest is still little. It’s maybe quite normal for them to not want to go with dad on his own?

OP posts:
Ginger1982 · 15/08/2021 18:52

You've made a huge mistake going back, but I think you probably realise that deep down.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 15/08/2021 18:57

@Cornfieldrainbows

This man is regularly sexually harassing and assaulting you.

And you think he's a suitable partner to be in a relationship with?

A suitable relationship to set an example to your children?

Do you really think that?

REignbow · 15/08/2021 18:59

What you say in regards to your not so DH being ‘reasonable’ is shocking.

He is doing the bare minimum and groping you.

Tell him that you will go on the holiday without him. I think you will then get the space to really think, without him ‘love bombing’ you and your mother trying to coerce you into going back.

Why haven’t you spoken to WA?

shakeitoffshakeacocktail · 15/08/2021 19:06

Your DP makes me gag

You teach your children through your actions, by staying with someone like your DP you are setting their standards so low.

Go out and do it for yourself, not parents, not husband, not kids

For YOU the rest will fall into place and you will set a great example for your kids by being strong and true to yourself. That's all that matters

Life will through you curveballs

Peppapigforlife · 15/08/2021 19:08

You're not trapped. This isn't the 1950s, you're not risking your life to leave, you're facing a bit of inconvenience to be a million times happier and not unnecessarily abused any more.

Peppapigforlife · 15/08/2021 19:11

My neighbour has a husband as entitled selfish and lazy as yours and as a result her kids are seeing how she chooses to be treated and just treat everyone the same. Every time I babysit her nine year old, she is rude, lazy, tries to be controlling and is demanding and I'm just a local aquiantance, so imagine how she treats her poor boundaries mum. I've never known a child so unpleasant and I love kids. Everything that's wrong in your dynamic with your husband will filter through to your kids in one way or another. They'll either become a doormat to other people's needs, or be the child I described above.

TeamRick · 15/08/2021 19:42

OP you say you work in mental health, I obviously don't know what you do but can you put on your 'work head' ?

Can you read back through some of your threads and try to think what you would do in a professional setting if someone you were supporting told you this story? What your advice would be? Can you speak to someone at work, a colleague or a line manager who might be able to help you?

You also say you've been spending more and more time with DH, if after thinking about the above, you still really believe that going back is the correct thing to do, can you give him a list of conditions to you returning?

A joint bank account
A weekly night out with your friends
Time to yourself for exercise or self care

His reaction to these requests will give you insight into whether he has changed or not (I know he hasn't but 🤷‍♀️ ) and if you have it in writing and go back to it, it might help you in the future.

What ever you decide to do - keep posting! No one will say I told you do, and it may help you plan better for next time!

Ogham · 15/08/2021 23:26

Sweet Jesus - are you actually seriously thinking of letting him manipulate you into going on holiday.

He’s not groping you AS MUCH, fucking hell can you not hear what you’re saying.

Drop the guilt trip, and think what do YOU want. Forget about the kids, parents and husband just think about what you want.

It doesn’t sound like you’ve sought any outside help and I’ll say it again that you need to process your thoughts with professional help.

You say the kids won’t go on holiday without you - well that’s their choice, it doesn’t mean you have to go! Stop GUILT TRIPPING and start taking ACTION!!

I honestly don’t know why you don’t seek support to help yourself untangle all these thoughts - NONE of this is normal nor is it your fault. Please think better of yourself and get support through counselling and WA

JSL52 · 16/08/2021 08:18

@Cornfieldrainbows

He’s said he will take my lead on the sex part. He hasn’t groped me quite as much the last few days, although we have been out mainly rather than in the house. He’s been hugely massively reasonable and now I think maybe it was me all those years, not him.
I can guarantee in 6 months time you'll be back here trying to leave him again.
AhNowTed · 16/08/2021 08:43

@JSL52

Yes, the "hugely massively reasonable" didn't extent to handing over any money or parenting his own children.

I feel very sorry for the OP, who's bar of reasonable is set so low.

Cornfieldrainbows · 16/08/2021 09:03

First question from dd this morning: when are we seeing daddy? When are we going on holiday with daddy?
My MiL will have talked about it yesterday. I’ve kept quiet in case we ended up not going.
I’m getting to the point where I don’t want to be here at all, in any way. I’m so tired.
I’ve found a counsellor and have had some sessions but it doesn’t seem to have helped yet. I’m so anxious and sad.

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MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 16/08/2021 09:19

He really needs to take them on holiday without you. Maybe MIL could go in your place?

AhNowTed · 16/08/2021 09:24

OP your youngest is 5 so not a baby.

This is the perfect opportunity for him to step up and parent his own kids.

He can take the kids on holiday and give you a long overdue rest, and time to think.

And if he doesn't, well he's not actually prepared to put himself out in any way shape or form. Just more words that cost nothing.

RandomMess · 16/08/2021 09:40

Your H is DELIBERATELY using the holiday and going out about it to use DD to emotionally blackmail you into going.

The fact you are so very very low says it all. You are so very vulnerable and he knows it and is ramping up the pressure to make you move back.

Please do not go on holiday with him. Tell him to take the DC as you are not well enough to go and need the break. You mentally and emotionally need the break. He could even take MIL with him.

Your DD will still enjoy herself and cope without you there it will be a bonding experience for them.

RedRedCampion · 17/08/2021 14:49

How are you doing @Cornfieldrainbows?

I wonder if it would help if you took some sick leave? You sound very depressed and vulnerable. In your posts you have said things like:

I give up/ I am the problem here, maybe it’s me that needs to be gone/ I just want it to stop/ I feel beaten by everything today/ I just want it to stop.

We all want you to have some support. You mentioned earlier that your dad didn't want you to go back to your husband. Can you tell your dad how bad you are feeling?

Cornfieldrainbows · 17/08/2021 18:51

Hi thank you for thinking of me.
I’m ok, I’m just so tired. Every time I stop I sleep.
My parents think I should go on holiday as kind of a gentle way of easing myself into going back.

I feel I could sleep for years.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 17/08/2021 19:11

You sound very worn out and likely depressed....with every reason to be.

Have you spoken to your GP about how awful you are feeling?

I really think you need to be honest as to just how terrible you feel and that you are having very negative thoughts about going on.

You have every reason as a woman who has suffered so much, to feel that way.
Please don't ignore how you feel.
Flowers

REignbow · 17/08/2021 19:11

Your parents are a disgrace.

Please listen to your body. It’s telling you physically what you need to do. You know that going back and even going on this holiday, is not the right thing to do.

Fear, is getting in your way and you are using every excuse (your dc/parents/he’s being reasonable/he’s not groping me as much) to justify the abuse/coercion.

Please call WA. Why have you not done this already?

smartiecake · 17/08/2021 19:12

@Cornfieldrainbows
I really wish I knew you in rl and could offer you some real support, a coffee and a chat.
You sound so beaten down by everyone and everything. No wonder you are so exhausted.
I worry that you are very driven by keeping others happy, your parents and your children primarily. When have you ever listened to yourself and what you want and need?
I read your posts about your children and what they said. They are very young and I think its fairly typical for kids to say they want parents together etc. Especially when this is what they have just experienced. However, as parents we know what is best for our kids. And for you that really should be a happy mum. I worry if you go back you will be miserable, you know this.
Please dont go back to your H. Everything you post about him is awful. Let him take the kids away on holiday. Tell him you need some breathing space. Can you stay with a friend for a couple of days and get away from your parents?
Don't go on this holiday! The sexual assaults when you have gone to the house are horrific. You really need to speak to someone impartial, like womens aid or a similar charity. I don't think you can see how bad he is and how at risk you are.
Please keep your distance from him. Dont do day trips etc. Keep stalling. He can see the kids on his own and drop them back. Don't be alone with him and please give yourself more time to think and explore options. Let him take the kids away. Dont go. Don't be guilt tripped into it. The kids will be fine without you or even if they dont go.
Please give yourself space and seek impartial help.