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I am so trapped

732 replies

Cornfieldrainbows · 15/07/2021 06:56

I want to leave DH but despite me being unhappy for 17 years my mum is pushing hard for me to stay because of the dc. And probably because she doesn’t want the shame of a divorced child.

She said I chose to have the dc, now it doesn’t matter if I’m happy or not. I’m really struggling. I wake in the morning feeling like I cannot breathe. My heart is racing. I’m not sleeping well, waking about 4am, and I’m not eating.
My mum keeps telling me how heartbroken the dc will be, that I will be poor, that I could lose them 50% of the time and they would hate that. That I will have no time nor money to do anything with them. That I will still be unhappy because my dc will be so unhappy.
Her answer? I wait another 13 years for dc2 to be 18. In 13 years I will be 50 and so worn down that I will have given up, if I make it that far which is debatable tbh.
We’d have to go and stay with my parents if I left DH so there’s no way of avoiding her. I hear what she’s saying and I suppose she is right. It is deeply selfish not to stay for the dc, who are happy, doing well at school and generally very settled.
I married DH partly because she wanted me to and I was young. Have I got to pay for that decision forever? It seems I have.
I cannot see a way forwards anymore. I just feel trapped. DH is slightly controlling and I am squashed, I am not who I was when we married. I was 20. He was 30. I feel I’ve changed so much and I feel this awful disconnect all the time. My mum says it’s because of covid but I felt it before that, although covid hasn’t helped.
DH isn’t a very involved father currently and never has been. All of the mental load falls on me and most of the practical stuff too. Currently he has them on his own one evening a week when I go out but only after I’ve got youngest dc to bed. Oldest dc is 11 and so not as demanding. He’s never willingly taken any of it on and he’s watched me struggle with things like the fact dc1 didn’t sleep through until he was 4 and he never once gave me a night off. It’s always ‘they settle better for you.’
He works hard, he has a good job, he does love me and the dc but I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life. I don’t feel like a person in my own right. He says the right things, for example I’ve taken a more demanding role at work with more hours and he did a lot of ‘ill support you whatever you want to do’ before I accepted. I started four months ago and in that four months he’s not practically helped me with anything. He’s not done a single school run, he’s not done anything in the house. I run my day around the children, working through lunch, rushing around, fetching them, coming back and doing another hour or so at work. Everything falls on me. I had a small crying breakdown about two months ago and he said he’d help me but nothing has changed although we now get take out or eat out once a week so I don’t have to cook.
I’m no longer attracted to him and so rarely have sex unless there’s no other option to. But it is rare. Two years and counting.
My mum says so what. If I left him I would be doing it all on my own anyway, plus the dc would be upset, plus I would be poor, she thinks it would all be worse and maybe she is right. I feel so trapped and it makes me feel like giving up. I just want to go to bed and never get back up again. I am already on antidepressants. I want to get back to a place where I feel like me again and I don’t know how to do that. I do know it hasn’t always been as awful as this with DH, I think since dc2 was born and I had PND it’s got much much worse. Mainly because he carried on totally as normal and I was barely functioning. Again he didn’t ever give me a lie in or get up at night when they were a baby. The PND hit me like a brick and I will admit since then I’ve never felt well, I’ve always felt a background level of anxiety. I can think of maybe two or three occasions since I had dc2 five years ago where I’ve not felt anxious. Unfortunately it arrived when she did, like an unwelcome additional child.

My mum thinks that’s why I don’t want to be with DH, that I’ve not recovered from the birth of dc2. I can’t imagine now ever being the person I was before I had her. I cannot imagine ever feeling optimistic or happy or even just less anxious. I get up in the mornings and wait to go back to bed. The best time of my life is when I am asleep. I just struggle through the days putting a brave face on it. I am incredibly lonely.

I love my dc so much. I don’t want to transfer this awful feeling to them. I worry that in breaking their family I will break them. I worry that my mum is right, that I am not capable of managing this. My mum never thinks I am capable of anything. When I went for this job she told me I wouldn’t cope, my children would suffer with me working more hours and I was putting my job in front of them. I spent four years as a sahp after dc2. I work my hours around them as best I can. I do everything I can to mitigate any cost to them - and yet DH just gets to do whatever he wants.

Sorry that was really long. I’m feeling desperate this morning.

OP posts:
Sarahlou63 · 12/08/2021 22:20

I'm sure you use the helicopter analogy with your patients - can you see the same view?

billy1966 · 12/08/2021 22:34

I agree OP, you desperately need some support IRL.

You are carrying an enormous load.

The mixed signals have to stop.

Your marriage is over.

You need space.

Insist he take the children on holidays, you need space to think.

Please tell work how awful you are feeling.

Please get some support.
Flowers

OnTheBenchOfDoom · 12/08/2021 23:00

This is heartbreaking to read, honestly. No one is listening to you in real life.

Your husband wants you back not because he seems to love you, I mean the dirty dishes always left for you to clear is a massive fuck you to you, but he only wants you back because you do everything, all the mental load, all the domestic mind-numbing day to day housework and meals etc. He doesn't want to have to do all of these things himself. I can't quite get over the bank is closed comment.

Even when left with his own children he delegates responsibility to his Mum.

The best thing to suggest it that he takes the holiday and the children with him and you get a break from it all. You need it and deserve it.

I don't understand why you won't see a solicitor to at least see what your options are re the house, maintenance and his pension pot. Why should you struggle to rent a place when you could possibly own a property? Unless I missed that bit where you did.

Your Mum is a nightmare. We actually had this conversation about divorce with my MIL when my SIL and her husband were splitting up. Her entire attitude was what will the neighbours think? What will the women at the WI think? I said so you would prefer your daughter to be unhappy because you don't want a divorce in the family? It really made her think.

Stop listening to her, has she anything positive to say about you or to you? Listen to your friends.

QueenBee52 · 13/08/2021 02:52

you are looking at this all wrong...

why you are considering everyone else's feeling ahead of your own?

you need to focus.. I bet you haven't applied for CMS yet either.. you are correct.. you ARE giving him false hope.. you are pandering to all his demands ... he's playing you too with the grey rock phone/texts.. so he's sat home alone.. so what.. people manage fully functioning lives living alone ..

This situation will not resolve itself.. You need to decide what YOU want.. not your idiot of a Mother .., not your kids.. not your seedy gross husband... YOU need to decide.. what works for YOU..

speak to one of your colleagues ... if you work in Mental Health you are in the ideal place to source help and fast...

What do YOU want OP 🌸

updownroundandround · 13/08/2021 06:33

@Cornfieldrainbows

OK, OP that's enough. No-one is listening to you in RL, and because you don't push to get yourself heard, they just trample all over you !

You've said several times that you want it all to stop.

You want all the stress and sadness to stop.

OK, so now is the time to start stopping it.

But to do so YOU need to take control.
(Don't say ''I can't'', because if you want it all to stop, you MUST ! It's the only way it will ''all stop'' ! (Giving in and going back would be like being 1 square from winning 'snakes and ladders', only to slide back down a snake to 'start' again Sad)

Tell your DM and DF that you are divorcing. End of conversation.
If they cannot support you in doing this, then they are not to discuss it with you at all.

Tell your DH that you have made your decision, and you are divorcing him. You will send him the details of a new email account which he must use to discuss child access only .End of conversation. Then block him on your phone and all social media.

Make an appointment with a solicitor and start divorce proceedings.

The only way to 'stop the sadness' is to get OFF the bloody 'Merry go Round' !

So enough of being passive and allowing everyone else to dictate YOUR life !

You can do it.
You must do it.
Flowers

Ogham · 13/08/2021 14:10

That’s great, you actually know you don’t want to go back to him and that you’re not going to go back.

How guilty has he felt treating you like shite? And how guilty does he feel groping you against your wishes? Also is he feeling guilty trying to control you by booking another holiday - NO, he has zero guilt. So why are you feeling sorry for him being at home alone? It’s all of his own doing!

As a PP said, rip the plaster off. Stop faffing about and put everything in place for your fair share so your children can settle down better in their new home with all their stuff asap.

You really need to talk to someone professional so you can sort everything out that’s in your head and think more clearly and stop yourself feeling guilty.

Could you go to your MIL directly and ask her to take the kids for 2 nights so you get some space?
OR Stop pandering to that man and tell him he gets the kids without you being there or not at all.
It’s time to toughen up!

AhNowTed · 14/08/2021 16:04

Has he handed over any money?

Cornfieldrainbows · 14/08/2021 19:44

No, he hasn’t given me any money but Im just really struggling generally.

We saw him today and went out for the day. My parents are now annoyed because they say I’ve used them for the last 12 years and now DH is around we aren’t spending time is he them.
Dd was asking why we can’t all live together anymore and saying that all she wants is for us to be a family together and then she was doing proper gulping crying. She said she just wants mummy and daddy together and wants us all to go home.
So I’m going home.
I cannot win.
Whatever I do someone is unhappy.
Basically at the moment everyone is unhappy.
This isn’t an improvement.
I’m not tough enough and DH is really trying. I’m starting to think I’ve just been wrong about him and I should have just tried harder or communicated better. He’s being really nice about it and he heard dd being so upset. He could have really gone to town on me because it’s my fault she is upset. I’m the one doing this to her.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 14/08/2021 19:58

OP,
I am so sorry that you are so poorly supported.
You have been so, so brave.

We are here for you so please keep posting.
We just want you safe.

Whatever you decide to do, we are definitely here to support you.

Your parents are pieces of work.

If you return.
Please as a priority try and carve out some time to build some support for your future.

Also you need to sort out the money situation and insist he give you access.

This is the time to insist on things.

If he refuses to move on money, spending time with his children, doing his share in the house, all of this will have been for nothing.

Have you told him clearly your conditions for returning?

If you are returning, try and help yourself by making changes.

See if he is prepared to do anything or is it just because he wants his skivvy back.

You are so much stronger than you realise.
Please stand up to him.

And for christ sake do not get pregnant.

Don't be coerced into sex with him.
Have separate rooms if that is what you want.

Flowers
Cornfieldrainbows · 14/08/2021 20:03

Thank you. ❤️

It just seems that I really am trapped. It’s impossible to know what I want anymore because everyone else seems to want something from me. But I’m a mum - I guess that’s how it works.
It was a nice day today until dd was upset. The dc enjoyed it.
Maybe it won’t be so bad.
I know what’s best for me, really, deep down. I know that when I go back I will soon feel as desperate as I did before, but I can’t do it to dd. Her face. It’s not fair. Fundamentally it’s selfish to break her home up given that the main reason is simply because I’m unhappy. It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

I won’t be getting pregnant. No way.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 14/08/2021 20:29

Try and get as many changes as you can.

Focus on getting money that can be for a future date.

Let that help you swallow this.

Give yourself a goal.

I have no doubt that your daughter would be absolutely fine if you stayed away.
She has a fantastic mother.

Maybe this isn't your time, maybe you are not fully ready.
But you WILL be again.
I have NO doubt about that.

Your life has great value.

In the interim, let money be your focus and how you wrestle back control of this situation.

Take back some control by building a buzz off fund.

When I was a child my grandmother told me that every woman should have a fund to tell someone buzz off, be it an employer, or a man.

Start your buzz off fund.

Keep posting, you are in my thoughts and I am willing you the strength to get through this.
Flowers

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 14/08/2021 21:07

Such a shame you can't see your own self worth

RandomMess · 14/08/2021 21:10

Your DD will be unhappy that you are unhappy, she will know. When she is older and she realises you stayed for her that is a heavy load to carry.

She is too young to understand she just lives in the moment. The uncertainty of the current situation is unsettling her. She will be happier with concrete Mum lives here, Dad lives there etc.

Her current unhappiness will be short lived. She will thrive when you are thriving.

If you return she will learn a females place is last, that her happiness doesn't matter, that Daddy always gets what he wants and his happiness is the only thing that matters, including forcing kisses and groping on her Mum. That woman do all the wife work and Dads f*ck all.

QueenBee52 · 14/08/2021 22:00

Take care OP.

Couldibeanymoreawesome · 14/08/2021 22:09

Be honest with him about why you are going back.
I dont really know what else to suggest, just hope that he does get his shit together.
What will happen though if he doesn't change? If he ramps everything up because he knows you won't leave? You need to think practically about how you will cope with this and how you will navigate the kids through it all. Good luck xx

Cavagirl · 14/08/2021 22:38

Question for you OP:

If your mum said to you that she agreed with you leaving your husband, she could see your marriage was over and you should divorce, would you still be going back?

Loads of really good advice from billy. I'd add that you must insist on individual counselling for yourself, to start to challenge some of the beliefs you have in yourself and your value. Keep posting. I hope you will one day feel strong enough to prioritise yourself Flowers

Queenie6655 · 14/08/2021 22:55

@Cornfieldrainbows

Thank you. ❤️

It just seems that I really am trapped. It’s impossible to know what I want anymore because everyone else seems to want something from me. But I’m a mum - I guess that’s how it works.
It was a nice day today until dd was upset. The dc enjoyed it.
Maybe it won’t be so bad.
I know what’s best for me, really, deep down. I know that when I go back I will soon feel as desperate as I did before, but I can’t do it to dd. Her face. It’s not fair. Fundamentally it’s selfish to break her home up given that the main reason is simply because I’m unhappy. It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

I won’t be getting pregnant. No way.

Do not do this

Sorry for my harsh words

This was me a few years ago

When you go back it gets worse

Please read the replies on here

Please value your life
You must nit go back

youvegottenminuteslynn · 14/08/2021 23:06

I said this earlier on to you - he wants to play happy families, not actually do the work to make his family happy.

He's sexually harassing you and is holding you to ransom - he will only be a good dad if you continue to play the role of his wife.

Think about how fucked up that is. He only wants his kids to feel loved and secure if he gets to shag you and look like a nice guy to the outside world.

He's fucking disgusting, I don't know how you can bear to even look at him.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 14/08/2021 23:08

You say you feel awful and unhappy now.

Imagine your daughter / children replicating this relationship dynamic now. How do you feel when imagining that? Even worse, I presume.

Well the longer you engage with him alone / as a 'family' rather than coparenting with anything else off the table, the more likely it is that will happen.

Ogham · 15/08/2021 00:26

You’re not being fair on yourself or your kids to be honest. I can’t understand how you’re not angry and fighting to get what you’re entitled to so you can get away from ALL the toxic people around you.
Don’t worry about your daughter, she WILL be fine in time.
YOU really do need outside help - women’s aid, counselling etc.
You sound stuck - you got away from him but you’re stuck now and need help to move forward. DO NOT move backwards.
You know he’ll only get worse if you move back. You cannot do this just for your children, it’ll be a living hell for you.
YOU MATTER and I’m so sorry you don’t have much support but you need to FIND support (WA etc) and find your fight.

Queenie6655 · 15/08/2021 00:30

You matter

I had WA sit me down and draw diagrams to show just how I was being abused

I was in denial in many ways

Trauma bonding
Refusing to get him in trouble blah blah

You cannot do this please

SS may want to help and they will not be happy if you are exposing yourself and your little ones to this type of man

There is so much help out there please reach out

Well done also for posting on here

Stay strong

Please xxxxxxx

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 15/08/2021 09:43

^No, he hasn’t given me any money but Im just really struggling generally

Why hasn't he given you any money? Because he wants to control you.

^We saw him today and went out for the day.

You have repeatedly given him and the children mixed signals by spending time as a family. No wonder they are crying and confused.

^My parents are now annoyed because they say I’ve used them for the last 12 years and now DH is around we aren’t spending time is he them

Oh well - they are grown ups and will get over it. They should be supporting you but they're not..

^Dd was asking why we can’t all live together anymore and saying that all she wants is for us to be a family together and then she was doing proper gulping crying. She said she just wants mummy and daddy together and wants us all to go home.

This is because you keep confusing her by spending time as a family. She has had no time to get used to any new dynamic and cannot understand what is happening.
.
^So I’m going home.
I cannot win.
Whatever I do someone is unhappy.
Basically at the moment everyone is unhappy.
This isn’t an improvement.
I’m not tough enough and DH is really trying. I’m starting to think I’ve just been wrong about him and I should have just tried harder or communicated better.

Everyone is unhappy because you have kept everyone in limbo, ignoring most of the excellent advice you received on here from numerous posters.
He's not really trying - he's barely spending time on his own with the kids, he's trying to force himself on you sexually, he's making what you already know to be false promises.

^He’s being really nice about it and he heard dd being so upset. He could have really gone to town on me because it’s my fault she is upset. I’m the one doing this to her.

He has done this to her. If he wasn't such a pig to you, you would be a happy family.

I wish you luck - you are seriously going to fucking need it. Highly unlikely that he will suddenly morph into a decent husband/father/human - in fact he will ramp up the control if anything.
You must be mad.

billy1966 · 15/08/2021 09:48

Not giving you a penny during the time you have been away tells you just how financially abusive he is.

Poor OP.
Suchba great woman who deserves so much better than this horror.

Cornfieldrainbows · 15/08/2021 10:37

I guess it is confusing to the dc - it’s neither one thing nor the other.
For me - I know it makes little difference how he is when we go back, it’s too little too late for me. It will only ever be the dc that keep me there. So to a point it doesn’t matter what he’s like, he could be brilliant and I still wouldn’t really want to be there.
The story of my life is that it is impossible to ever put what I want first.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 15/08/2021 10:46

Put you leaving is putting the DC and yourself first.

Do you want your DD in a relationship like yours? You are teaching her that her role is to be depressed and unhappy and stay in a shit marriage.

Ask on MN "are you glad your Mum stayed in a marriage that made her miserable".

It's been asked before many of them have never forgiven their parents for it.