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I am so trapped

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Cornfieldrainbows · 15/07/2021 06:56

I want to leave DH but despite me being unhappy for 17 years my mum is pushing hard for me to stay because of the dc. And probably because she doesn’t want the shame of a divorced child.

She said I chose to have the dc, now it doesn’t matter if I’m happy or not. I’m really struggling. I wake in the morning feeling like I cannot breathe. My heart is racing. I’m not sleeping well, waking about 4am, and I’m not eating.
My mum keeps telling me how heartbroken the dc will be, that I will be poor, that I could lose them 50% of the time and they would hate that. That I will have no time nor money to do anything with them. That I will still be unhappy because my dc will be so unhappy.
Her answer? I wait another 13 years for dc2 to be 18. In 13 years I will be 50 and so worn down that I will have given up, if I make it that far which is debatable tbh.
We’d have to go and stay with my parents if I left DH so there’s no way of avoiding her. I hear what she’s saying and I suppose she is right. It is deeply selfish not to stay for the dc, who are happy, doing well at school and generally very settled.
I married DH partly because she wanted me to and I was young. Have I got to pay for that decision forever? It seems I have.
I cannot see a way forwards anymore. I just feel trapped. DH is slightly controlling and I am squashed, I am not who I was when we married. I was 20. He was 30. I feel I’ve changed so much and I feel this awful disconnect all the time. My mum says it’s because of covid but I felt it before that, although covid hasn’t helped.
DH isn’t a very involved father currently and never has been. All of the mental load falls on me and most of the practical stuff too. Currently he has them on his own one evening a week when I go out but only after I’ve got youngest dc to bed. Oldest dc is 11 and so not as demanding. He’s never willingly taken any of it on and he’s watched me struggle with things like the fact dc1 didn’t sleep through until he was 4 and he never once gave me a night off. It’s always ‘they settle better for you.’
He works hard, he has a good job, he does love me and the dc but I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life. I don’t feel like a person in my own right. He says the right things, for example I’ve taken a more demanding role at work with more hours and he did a lot of ‘ill support you whatever you want to do’ before I accepted. I started four months ago and in that four months he’s not practically helped me with anything. He’s not done a single school run, he’s not done anything in the house. I run my day around the children, working through lunch, rushing around, fetching them, coming back and doing another hour or so at work. Everything falls on me. I had a small crying breakdown about two months ago and he said he’d help me but nothing has changed although we now get take out or eat out once a week so I don’t have to cook.
I’m no longer attracted to him and so rarely have sex unless there’s no other option to. But it is rare. Two years and counting.
My mum says so what. If I left him I would be doing it all on my own anyway, plus the dc would be upset, plus I would be poor, she thinks it would all be worse and maybe she is right. I feel so trapped and it makes me feel like giving up. I just want to go to bed and never get back up again. I am already on antidepressants. I want to get back to a place where I feel like me again and I don’t know how to do that. I do know it hasn’t always been as awful as this with DH, I think since dc2 was born and I had PND it’s got much much worse. Mainly because he carried on totally as normal and I was barely functioning. Again he didn’t ever give me a lie in or get up at night when they were a baby. The PND hit me like a brick and I will admit since then I’ve never felt well, I’ve always felt a background level of anxiety. I can think of maybe two or three occasions since I had dc2 five years ago where I’ve not felt anxious. Unfortunately it arrived when she did, like an unwelcome additional child.

My mum thinks that’s why I don’t want to be with DH, that I’ve not recovered from the birth of dc2. I can’t imagine now ever being the person I was before I had her. I cannot imagine ever feeling optimistic or happy or even just less anxious. I get up in the mornings and wait to go back to bed. The best time of my life is when I am asleep. I just struggle through the days putting a brave face on it. I am incredibly lonely.

I love my dc so much. I don’t want to transfer this awful feeling to them. I worry that in breaking their family I will break them. I worry that my mum is right, that I am not capable of managing this. My mum never thinks I am capable of anything. When I went for this job she told me I wouldn’t cope, my children would suffer with me working more hours and I was putting my job in front of them. I spent four years as a sahp after dc2. I work my hours around them as best I can. I do everything I can to mitigate any cost to them - and yet DH just gets to do whatever he wants.

Sorry that was really long. I’m feeling desperate this morning.

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RedRedCampion · 12/08/2021 15:03

I can’t imagine how it feels for you to be ground down by this bully pawing at you, withholding money from you, and using the children as ways of controlling you.

You said earlier if you go back you are afraid he will clamp down harder than ever.

You are clear you don’t want to go back.

You just need some help to get away from him.

Who have you got in real life who could help you and the kids get started on your own? Applying for CM, sorting out where to live, moving some of your and the kids stuff.

Tell us what is holding you back from saying a clear NO to the holiday and using that time to find a place to rent.

You don’t need to be drawn into explanations either to him or your mum - ‘The marriage is over. I don’t want to talk about it, I’m leaving’

You sound so defeated ThanksThanksRemember you can phone the Samaritans on 116123 any time to talk and be listened to. Between your mum and your husband you’ve never had a chance to have your feelings heard.

Cornfieldrainbows · 12/08/2021 20:47

Everyone is unhappy.
Dd got upset tonight - the trigger was her brother being horrible to her as he frequently is and she started crying and saying she missed her daddy and her house.
Then ds was upset.
Now I’ve just spoken to DH and he is upset.

I give up. I am the problem here, maybe it’s me that needs to be gone. I am defeated by it. There’s no respite. Ironically I work in mental health and it is a difficult and stressful job - I have that all day and then I come back to this. It’s just relentless. I don’t think anyone is happier than when we were at home, apart from me, but the fact everyone else is so demanding is making me feel like it was easier at home too.
I’m into week three and he’s had them for 8 hours, total, on his own (took them to his mum’s).

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RandomMess · 12/08/2021 20:54

Don't give in and go back.

Of course the DC are upset it's a big adjustment. Why are you asking how H is? For over a decade he hasn't given one fuck how you felt!!!

It takes time and he needs to have the DC more.

He has done NOTHING to do anything to change things and this is him trying to persuade you to come back?

Cornfieldrainbows · 12/08/2021 21:01

He’s saying he can’t prove he’s changed until we are back.
He’s talking about being a ‘tight knit little family.’

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kittenkipping · 12/08/2021 21:04

But he's proving he hasn't changed! The sexual assault continues. The emotional manipulation and abuse continues.

RandomMess · 12/08/2021 21:06

He is such full of bollocks.

He isn't even doing a share of parenting the DC, isn't putting them first let alone you!

He is a manipulative sex pest.

RandomMess · 12/08/2021 21:07

He is making it difficult for you deliberately to grind you down and go back.

Cornfieldrainbows · 12/08/2021 21:08

He wants to spend time with them, but only if I am there too. He wants the four of us all the time.
I popped back today to get a few things and he said he’d got 17 minutes between meetings and could think of something he’d like to do twice in that time.

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MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 12/08/2021 21:08

Yes but you don't want to be a tight knit little family do you. You'll be as miserable if not more so than you were before - with him breathing down your neck 24/7.

The kids will adjust and be fine - but right now you are in limbo which doesn't really suit anyone.

If you want to split up with him then tell him - get some money if you haven't already and start looking at houses
Tell him you won't be going on holiday - if he wants to take the children/his parents ok fine let him crack on

Stop spending time with him - this is giving him the signal that you will be going back to him

Insist he has the children more - so what if he takes them to his mums as long as you get some respite

You can't stay in limbo forever. Pull the plaster off.

REignbow · 12/08/2021 21:11

Of course he has already proved that he hasn’t changed. He has had the DC for a total of eight hours in the last three weeks and then you were either there or he visited his mother.

He is just waxing lyrical.

You really need to minimise your communication with him, do not see him and contact WA for support.

If he was anyway decent, he would move heaven and earth to 1: listen 2: give you space when asked 3: not try to coerce/manipulate you.

But wait, if he was anyway decent he would have not done anything in the first instant.

Cornfieldrainbows · 12/08/2021 21:12

I have no problem with him taking them to his mum’s - it’s more that I feel like he still hasn’t done anything with them on his own because she will have done it all.

I suppose I still feel like I don’t know what I want but this holiday is going to force my hand.

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RandomMess · 12/08/2021 21:12

Ewwwwwwww

Tight family = you never having anytime to yourself ever, no lunches or nights out with your friends.

This will be the excuse he needs to ramp up the control and sex 1,000 %

Cornfieldrainbows · 12/08/2021 21:16

He’s not calling or texting all the time or anything.
I guess I feel guilty so that’s why I am agreeing to spend time with him which is probably giving mixed messages. I think he expected I’d have gone back by now.
I do feel awfully sad about it all.
Really horribly sad. I want the sad to stop.

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REignbow · 12/08/2021 21:18

The only way ‘the sad’ will STOP, is when you speak to a professional for support, leave him and to stop seeing him (to give YOU some mental/emotional space).

Cornfieldrainbows · 12/08/2021 21:20

I don’t miss him at all.
But I do feel sad. If I think about him there on his own I feel really sad about it. I suppose I feel sad for him. By and large I’ve not been upset at all about not being with him, is that enough of a reason to not go back? I don’t miss sleeping next to him, or waking up next to him. But I guess I was so checked out that’s what would be expected. My overwhelming feeling initially was relief but now I feel sad and guilty.

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RandomMess · 12/08/2021 21:21

It's normal to feel sad very sad, it's grief. Grief for what could have been.

He doesn't want to have the DC on his own because he doesn't want you to have a break, they are his manipulation tool to make you move back.

kittenkipping · 12/08/2021 21:24

I completely understand you want the sad to stop. But really you need to take the step to end this relationship to get that. It won't happen overnight but as it stands you're trapped in a limbo of the worst of both worlds. Please op- find support, STOP seeing him, STOP enabling his sexual assault and manipulation and take the next step. Don't go on this holiday designed to entrap you! The children will be disappointed, but they'll get over it. Please please don't drag them backwards into that awful environment where they have to witness assault, sexual content and coercive control! You can do this

RandomMess · 12/08/2021 21:24

You are completely detached from him, it is over you just need to tell him.

There is nothing he can do to make how you feel about him change. He has done nothing to even give you a glimmer of hope that he actually loves and cherishes you.

It's all about him. He wants his maid, childminder and lover on tap with zero effort.

It hurts so much when you realise they don't love and cherish you and you are just an object that makes their life easier.

Cornfieldrainbows · 12/08/2021 21:24

I feel like the very sad would stop if I just went home.
And I am so tired. This week work has been extremely full on and I’ve had a really hard time with ds too (ASD). It’s all felt too much with precious little joy.
Ideally I just want it all to stop.
I’ve considered just disappearing in the middle of the night. I cannot get any space.

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RandomMess · 12/08/2021 21:26

Have you text him and told him that you need a proper break?

Tell him, I'm utterly exhausted what I need is for you to take the DC away so I can recuperate.

kittenkipping · 12/08/2021 21:28

Read through your own threads op. You were miserable- overwhelmingly sad when you were with him. And those children deserve better. It won't stop you've done this before- taken that step back in the hope that you'll feel happier/ things will be better etc. It didn't work and nor will it ever. Stop enabling him to exert control- that's what he is doing in refusing to see his children unless YOU are there.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 12/08/2021 21:28

Will he take the children on holiday?

Cavagirl · 12/08/2021 22:02

OP you really REALLY need some independent support in real life.

If there is one thing you do tomorrow, please contact Women's Aid or the National Domestic Abuse helpline 08082000247

Right now you can't see the wood for the trees because you're being pulled in multiple directions by people, none of whom are actually listening to what you want, but are thinking about what they want.

Your kids are upset because you're in a limbo and they don't have any certainty. You can end the very sad perhaps by going back, but is it ultimately in their best interests to have a mother who, in your own words, is so miserable she wants to dissappear? Give them some certainty and start planning your life now, away from him. You can do it.

RobinHobb · 12/08/2021 22:09

Gosh Op I feel for you

But you've done the hard part you've left. Now get on zoopla, find a place and beg/borrow a 6 week deposit and get your own place. With a 6 month break clause on a standard rental you'll have bought yourself some time. Move in with the kids. Call man with a van, get your stuff packed and move. The relief you'll feel will be unparalleled. Your kids will benefit from having limbo resolved. You sound defeated, and I feel for you because in a similar situation to you I was thinking my Ex-DH doesn't lie, cheat, gamble or hit me, why am I leaving...
It was the best thing I ever did.

Sarahlou63 · 12/08/2021 22:16

@Cornfieldrainbows - would it be feasible to get some help, official or unofficial from your colleagues or support services?

If you were able to step back from your life and dispassionately counsel someone in the exact same circumstances I think you'd know what you would say. Please, please lean on the resources you'd tell other people to use - your need is equally as important to both you and your children.