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I am so trapped

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Cornfieldrainbows · 15/07/2021 06:56

I want to leave DH but despite me being unhappy for 17 years my mum is pushing hard for me to stay because of the dc. And probably because she doesn’t want the shame of a divorced child.

She said I chose to have the dc, now it doesn’t matter if I’m happy or not. I’m really struggling. I wake in the morning feeling like I cannot breathe. My heart is racing. I’m not sleeping well, waking about 4am, and I’m not eating.
My mum keeps telling me how heartbroken the dc will be, that I will be poor, that I could lose them 50% of the time and they would hate that. That I will have no time nor money to do anything with them. That I will still be unhappy because my dc will be so unhappy.
Her answer? I wait another 13 years for dc2 to be 18. In 13 years I will be 50 and so worn down that I will have given up, if I make it that far which is debatable tbh.
We’d have to go and stay with my parents if I left DH so there’s no way of avoiding her. I hear what she’s saying and I suppose she is right. It is deeply selfish not to stay for the dc, who are happy, doing well at school and generally very settled.
I married DH partly because she wanted me to and I was young. Have I got to pay for that decision forever? It seems I have.
I cannot see a way forwards anymore. I just feel trapped. DH is slightly controlling and I am squashed, I am not who I was when we married. I was 20. He was 30. I feel I’ve changed so much and I feel this awful disconnect all the time. My mum says it’s because of covid but I felt it before that, although covid hasn’t helped.
DH isn’t a very involved father currently and never has been. All of the mental load falls on me and most of the practical stuff too. Currently he has them on his own one evening a week when I go out but only after I’ve got youngest dc to bed. Oldest dc is 11 and so not as demanding. He’s never willingly taken any of it on and he’s watched me struggle with things like the fact dc1 didn’t sleep through until he was 4 and he never once gave me a night off. It’s always ‘they settle better for you.’
He works hard, he has a good job, he does love me and the dc but I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life. I don’t feel like a person in my own right. He says the right things, for example I’ve taken a more demanding role at work with more hours and he did a lot of ‘ill support you whatever you want to do’ before I accepted. I started four months ago and in that four months he’s not practically helped me with anything. He’s not done a single school run, he’s not done anything in the house. I run my day around the children, working through lunch, rushing around, fetching them, coming back and doing another hour or so at work. Everything falls on me. I had a small crying breakdown about two months ago and he said he’d help me but nothing has changed although we now get take out or eat out once a week so I don’t have to cook.
I’m no longer attracted to him and so rarely have sex unless there’s no other option to. But it is rare. Two years and counting.
My mum says so what. If I left him I would be doing it all on my own anyway, plus the dc would be upset, plus I would be poor, she thinks it would all be worse and maybe she is right. I feel so trapped and it makes me feel like giving up. I just want to go to bed and never get back up again. I am already on antidepressants. I want to get back to a place where I feel like me again and I don’t know how to do that. I do know it hasn’t always been as awful as this with DH, I think since dc2 was born and I had PND it’s got much much worse. Mainly because he carried on totally as normal and I was barely functioning. Again he didn’t ever give me a lie in or get up at night when they were a baby. The PND hit me like a brick and I will admit since then I’ve never felt well, I’ve always felt a background level of anxiety. I can think of maybe two or three occasions since I had dc2 five years ago where I’ve not felt anxious. Unfortunately it arrived when she did, like an unwelcome additional child.

My mum thinks that’s why I don’t want to be with DH, that I’ve not recovered from the birth of dc2. I can’t imagine now ever being the person I was before I had her. I cannot imagine ever feeling optimistic or happy or even just less anxious. I get up in the mornings and wait to go back to bed. The best time of my life is when I am asleep. I just struggle through the days putting a brave face on it. I am incredibly lonely.

I love my dc so much. I don’t want to transfer this awful feeling to them. I worry that in breaking their family I will break them. I worry that my mum is right, that I am not capable of managing this. My mum never thinks I am capable of anything. When I went for this job she told me I wouldn’t cope, my children would suffer with me working more hours and I was putting my job in front of them. I spent four years as a sahp after dc2. I work my hours around them as best I can. I do everything I can to mitigate any cost to them - and yet DH just gets to do whatever he wants.

Sorry that was really long. I’m feeling desperate this morning.

OP posts:
Cornfieldrainbows · 26/07/2021 09:07

I’m thinking we will leave the house. It seems the least confrontational way of going about things. DH will have to buy me out though.
The only issue is right now I don’t have much money - although I get paid on Wednesday. Thank god. I don’t have any savings or anything behind me, they’ve been used along the way. Financially I’m not in a strong position.

OP posts:
Cornfieldrainbows · 26/07/2021 09:08

And I will need to pay the childminding bill next week too.

OP posts:
GoodbyeToCare · 26/07/2021 09:31

@Cornfieldrainbows

And I will need to pay the childminding bill next week too.
Tell him about the childminding bill. If he's truly set on changing he will pay it with no questions or arguments.

I doubt he will but it would be a way of testing whether or not the bank has opened!

billy1966 · 26/07/2021 09:58

You need legal advice and to start a CMS claim.

The house will have to be sold.

I know it sounds like a lot but you can do this.
Can your father help you.

I find it hard to believe he will want the children to stay with them.
He has NEVER shown.any interest or done anything for them.

He keeps speaking about being around more NOT actually DOING more.

The concept doesn't even occur to him.

He would never step up as he is fundamentally a very lazy man who doesn't want to.

He is hugely financially abusive also.
He needs to be told that.

That is a crime in this country now.
Have you contacted Woman's Aid for advuce and support?

Cornfieldrainbows · 26/07/2021 10:02

I can only cope one day at a time right now. I know that’s a bit pathetic. I don’t want to go back, I’m pretty sure.

DH wants to see the dc but all of us together. He doesn’t seem to want to do much with them on his own. He now seems to want us to be together at all times. God. There’s no happy medium with this man.

I’ve spoken to WA before but they weren’t all that helpful. I suspect in terms of what they see my relationship with DH barely registers. DH is now saying he can pay for whatever etc but he hasn’t put any money across to me or anything so I’ve still no access to much.

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SecondRow · 26/07/2021 10:03

OP – did you return to your mother's as planned after the visit home for the children to see their father? You won't be able to get your head clear with him all over you and in your ear like that.

SecondRow · 26/07/2021 10:08

Sorry cross posted.

It's a shame he didn't take the DC on holiday. Doesn't seem like he's very concerned about anything they may be missing out on – not if it meant he would have to do any work for it, anyway.

RandomMess · 26/07/2021 10:37

Tell DH he needs to send across £x today to cover childminding bill plus XYZ and that you need rest and recovery so you will drop the DC off tomorrow evening at x and collect them after 2 nights from childminder etc.

If he refuses it's more evidence of his complete and utter bullshit.

DerbyshireMama · 26/07/2021 11:07

Saying he'll pay for anything rather than actually sharing the money with you - it's still control, just with a friendly shiny veneer

RandomMess · 26/07/2021 11:08

He doesn't want them on his own and he certainly doesn't want you having any freedom or time without the DC. That's how he keeps you trapped by either being at working or having to parent the DC.

MzHz · 26/07/2021 11:47

He wants to keep you together so he can keep chipping away at you, at your resolve and try and break you

The only way is to tell him you don’t love him, won’t ever allow him back in your bed/life/head and for him to work out how he’s going to be a decent parent to the kids going forward because his job as partner has come to an end. The only way he can show the kids that he’s a good man is how he treats them, how he pays his fair share and is accountable

MzHz · 26/07/2021 11:49

Be cold. Ice cold

It’s the only way and helps YOU fake it till you make it

You MUST detach

You MUST give up any notion or hope that he’s ever going to change because you know he won’t

Some of us have been there and got the scars and T-shirt, we know what he’s saying and why because we have heard it word for word… honestly he’s absolutely following the script

billy1966 · 26/07/2021 12:02

Agree with above.

He hasn't ANY interest in the children, he never had.

You can't care about your children and be 100 % uninvolved and do nothing for them.

He wants you controlled, that's all.

He's not mentioned once about pulli g his weight or doing anything for anyone.

His sole interest is himself and controlling YOU.

So he wants to be at home more watching you and doing nothing.

You need to detach from him and be very firm.

You will not be seeing him with the children.

He can collect the children and di something with them if he wishes to see them.

Do not negotiate.
The choice is HIS.

He either wants to spend time with his children now that ye have separated, or he doesn't.

It's not complicated.

Leave the ball in his court.

It's great that you realise you are not going back and don't want to.

That is so positive.

As said above, tell him you need him to transfer X to your account for the children. Immediately.

If he refuses it's just more financial abuse, and tell him that.

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RandomMess · 26/07/2021 12:37

Regardless ring up CMS today and get the ball rolling for child maintenance as they won't back date it. Do you even know what he earns? The claim can be paused if he pays willingly on time the correct amount.

You can also ring up and put in a claim for Universal Credit as a single parent, again to it as a priority as it won't be backdated.

MzHz · 26/07/2021 12:38

Your thread title was I’m so trapped

So you made it to your mums. The only bit where you’re trapped a bit now is in your he doesn’t control you, you’ve got out of the house, you got out of the holiday and now you have to get him out of your head

You have achieved so much! You’re on the way to a happier and healthier life for you and your kids. Don’t let anyone or anything divert you from this path.

There is no way back, only misery lays there. Leave him behind and walk on.

MzHz · 26/07/2021 12:39

@RandomMess

Regardless ring up CMS today and get the ball rolling for child maintenance as they won't back date it. Do you even know what he earns? The claim can be paused if he pays willingly on time the correct amount.

You can also ring up and put in a claim for Universal Credit as a single parent, again to it as a priority as it won't be backdated.

Great advice here!
Ogham · 26/07/2021 14:12

Like what MzHz has said, You have achieved so much, well done

billy1966 · 26/07/2021 14:24

I agree.

You have come so far.

Time to focus on paper work and finances.

Madamswearsalot · 26/07/2021 20:36

I'm going to relate a friends story (genuinely - it's not an 'asking for a friend' scenario!!)

They separated - both were struggling and they needed space. Neither thought it was a forever split but they didn't know that for sure. During that period what was never in doubt was their schedule with the kids - that was the first thing they agreed. He moved out but came back to look after the kids while he got his living arrangements sorted out then they went to him once he was settled. I don't think it occurred to either of them that they wouldn't do that.

I know you could argue that your H is still scrambling to fix things but I'd say that if he genuinely intended to fix things he'd be: sorting out time with his kids, to give you a break and to maintain contact; settle the money situation to make good on the promise of making it fair; give you breathing space to work out what you want.

He's selling to you - as others have said. He has multiple reasons for wanting to sell you on a vision that will make you want to run back to him. But it's a mirage unless he sorts his shit out and does all of the above, off his own back. It's actually pretty offensive that he thinks you can be so easily won over - it shows that he's still not taking you seriously.

One day at a time. You are doing so well. Start making your plans but if its easier to manage, remind yourself you're just exploring your options. No final decisions need to be made right now - but it's good to take a step a day.

TrueRefuge · 26/07/2021 21:12

OP, you seem to just be reporting what he says..... He has totally destroyed your agency.

Why is he kissing you? Are you saying "I don't to kiss you, I'm only here for you to see the kids"?

You need to find YOUR boundaries, YOUR needs, YOUR direction.

I think he sounds like an utter psychopath.

You say you thought he'd be angry but he's actually being reasonable. That's because he thinks you're still persuadable, something he can still win back with empty words. But he hasn't actually taken any actions, has he, other than railroad what you want by insisting you can win this together. It's bullshit. He doesn't care about what you want, just what he wants.

So where is YOUR anger??? You should be SO, SO angry at this man, OP. Find your anger. Find it, dont be afraid it, the world is not going to end, in fact I think for you it will get a whole lot better if you can harness some of your agency and anger and tell him:

I don't want you to kiss me.
I'm so angry at you.
You've disappointed me.
Your words are completely empty.
For now, I am done.

He sounds awful, OP, and you have done so well to get to your mums. Don't waver now.

PS please do not worry about holidays etc. I grew up with an absent, abusive, manipulative father. He worked all the time so we went on a lot of holidays. Although I'm grateful and enjoyed them, I would have traded them in a heartbeat for a normal dad.

I don't speak to him anymore.

TrueRefuge · 26/07/2021 21:18

PS His insistence on quitting golf and spending all his time with you sounds wrong on so many levels. Its childish, idealistic, and stifling. Its also just empty words; saying this means he doesn't have to actually listen to what you're saying.

I can also imagine if - hypothetically - you did go back, he would be like that until the first time you wanted to do something for yourself, when it would be thrown in your face, "I gave up golf for you, now look at you abandoning me" and then he would have license to revert back to his default position - ie the past 12 years, and it would be "all your fault".

Honestly, my skin is crawling. I don't think he's right in the head.

whatthejiggeries · 26/07/2021 22:17

Get out if you are brave enough. I am not for all the reasons your Mum says but I wish I was

Cornfieldrainbows · 27/07/2021 00:21

We saw DH on Monday and went out. Met him out at the park. Ds wasn’t that keen to engage with him.
I’ve spoken to DH again since and he said he will ‘keep trying’ (one day, it’s been one day) but he’ll just have ‘to see what happens’ re his relationship with ds. He said - in a long suffering voice - all I can do is try.
ONE DAY. And I was there with them. God it’s all so hard. I feel like DH is teetering on the brink of being unpleasant and I don’t think it’ll be long before we get there now. When we were out he kept saying ‘can I have a kiss?’ and then was clearly not happy with my answer. Told him I’m not sure where we will see him this week again as got a lot on and he looked angry. He didn’t offer to take the dc out or anything on his own. Ds said something like ‘I don’t want to see dad again this week, aren’t we going out with gran and grandad? I’d rather do that.’ It doesn’t help ds that he’s so blunt but he’s also on the autistic spectrum so tends to basically say this stuff.
The fact is DH has never put the time in so I don’t know what he expects. When I spoke to him afterwards he said ‘I don’t think I’m THAT bad.’ He has taken on a different tone and I think been drinking. I think he’s realising I’m not going back so we can just carry on like before and it’s going to turn nasty.

OP posts:
QueenBee52 · 27/07/2021 01:01

He will become nasty... be careful 🌸

billy1966 · 27/07/2021 08:30

One day after 12 years.
Your son has the measure of him.
Your children will be fine.

He is an absolute waster OP.

The longer you are away and the less you see of him the better it will be.

You are doing great.

You need to focus on finances.

Has he transferred money to you?