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I am so trapped

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Cornfieldrainbows · 15/07/2021 06:56

I want to leave DH but despite me being unhappy for 17 years my mum is pushing hard for me to stay because of the dc. And probably because she doesn’t want the shame of a divorced child.

She said I chose to have the dc, now it doesn’t matter if I’m happy or not. I’m really struggling. I wake in the morning feeling like I cannot breathe. My heart is racing. I’m not sleeping well, waking about 4am, and I’m not eating.
My mum keeps telling me how heartbroken the dc will be, that I will be poor, that I could lose them 50% of the time and they would hate that. That I will have no time nor money to do anything with them. That I will still be unhappy because my dc will be so unhappy.
Her answer? I wait another 13 years for dc2 to be 18. In 13 years I will be 50 and so worn down that I will have given up, if I make it that far which is debatable tbh.
We’d have to go and stay with my parents if I left DH so there’s no way of avoiding her. I hear what she’s saying and I suppose she is right. It is deeply selfish not to stay for the dc, who are happy, doing well at school and generally very settled.
I married DH partly because she wanted me to and I was young. Have I got to pay for that decision forever? It seems I have.
I cannot see a way forwards anymore. I just feel trapped. DH is slightly controlling and I am squashed, I am not who I was when we married. I was 20. He was 30. I feel I’ve changed so much and I feel this awful disconnect all the time. My mum says it’s because of covid but I felt it before that, although covid hasn’t helped.
DH isn’t a very involved father currently and never has been. All of the mental load falls on me and most of the practical stuff too. Currently he has them on his own one evening a week when I go out but only after I’ve got youngest dc to bed. Oldest dc is 11 and so not as demanding. He’s never willingly taken any of it on and he’s watched me struggle with things like the fact dc1 didn’t sleep through until he was 4 and he never once gave me a night off. It’s always ‘they settle better for you.’
He works hard, he has a good job, he does love me and the dc but I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life. I don’t feel like a person in my own right. He says the right things, for example I’ve taken a more demanding role at work with more hours and he did a lot of ‘ill support you whatever you want to do’ before I accepted. I started four months ago and in that four months he’s not practically helped me with anything. He’s not done a single school run, he’s not done anything in the house. I run my day around the children, working through lunch, rushing around, fetching them, coming back and doing another hour or so at work. Everything falls on me. I had a small crying breakdown about two months ago and he said he’d help me but nothing has changed although we now get take out or eat out once a week so I don’t have to cook.
I’m no longer attracted to him and so rarely have sex unless there’s no other option to. But it is rare. Two years and counting.
My mum says so what. If I left him I would be doing it all on my own anyway, plus the dc would be upset, plus I would be poor, she thinks it would all be worse and maybe she is right. I feel so trapped and it makes me feel like giving up. I just want to go to bed and never get back up again. I am already on antidepressants. I want to get back to a place where I feel like me again and I don’t know how to do that. I do know it hasn’t always been as awful as this with DH, I think since dc2 was born and I had PND it’s got much much worse. Mainly because he carried on totally as normal and I was barely functioning. Again he didn’t ever give me a lie in or get up at night when they were a baby. The PND hit me like a brick and I will admit since then I’ve never felt well, I’ve always felt a background level of anxiety. I can think of maybe two or three occasions since I had dc2 five years ago where I’ve not felt anxious. Unfortunately it arrived when she did, like an unwelcome additional child.

My mum thinks that’s why I don’t want to be with DH, that I’ve not recovered from the birth of dc2. I can’t imagine now ever being the person I was before I had her. I cannot imagine ever feeling optimistic or happy or even just less anxious. I get up in the mornings and wait to go back to bed. The best time of my life is when I am asleep. I just struggle through the days putting a brave face on it. I am incredibly lonely.

I love my dc so much. I don’t want to transfer this awful feeling to them. I worry that in breaking their family I will break them. I worry that my mum is right, that I am not capable of managing this. My mum never thinks I am capable of anything. When I went for this job she told me I wouldn’t cope, my children would suffer with me working more hours and I was putting my job in front of them. I spent four years as a sahp after dc2. I work my hours around them as best I can. I do everything I can to mitigate any cost to them - and yet DH just gets to do whatever he wants.

Sorry that was really long. I’m feeling desperate this morning.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 25/07/2021 18:28

@PicsInRed

If you get pregnant, that'll stop you leaving and he knows that. It's a ploy as old as time - don't let him get you pregnant.

If he was sorry he'd feed the kids, do the dishes, run a hoover around and and clean the toilet. He didn't, because he's not.

CLTB (continue leaving the bastard). Flowers Flowers

Of course.🙏

Expect him to try to get you pregnant to trap you and limit your options.

Don't believe a word out of his mouth.

Your 12 year old has lived his whole life with an financially abusive father who has never lifted a finger.

Don't think for one minute he can't see what a selfish man his father is.

Your 5 year old is probably oblivious as you are her primary carer.

Please look into rentals tomorrow.

Carry on with the separation and tell him to show his commitment to his children by stepping up.

You need to start looking at a CMS claim.

Do you even know what he earns?

Fireflygal · 25/07/2021 18:40

Try to tune into your instinct. Is he really listening to you, are you being heard or is he trying to tell you how it will be?

It seems like he has realised he is losing control, that will scare him and panic him into making promises. I imagine you want to hear why he has felt able to treat you as a placeholder at home. Why he felt able to say "the bank is closed". That phrase highlights an attitude of entitlement. Its not easy to genuinely change a life time attitude.

Its possible but not easy.

Cornfieldrainbows · 25/07/2021 19:13

I think he’s in ‘Make it better and fix it mode.’

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billy1966 · 25/07/2021 19:22

Corn,

He is consistent in putting HIS needs first.

You need to be honest about yours to yourself.

What do you want for your future.

37 is nothing.

I'm 20 years ahead of you.

37 seems so young.

You have so much to look forward to.

Stay strong.Flowers

Cornfieldrainbows · 25/07/2021 20:20

It’s just weird. I thought he’d be angry and he’s being very reasonable.

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billy1966 · 25/07/2021 20:38

That's because he is trying to manipulate you.

He has always been so difficult, selfish, uncompromising in his position that he does absolutely NOTHING.

Now you have left.

So he says "oh fxxk, my skivvy is gone".

Offer up everything!!

Ridiculous.

He has done fxxk all for 12 full years and he is now offering to be a 100% different man.

Give me a bloody break.

OP, I am going to tell you something really honest about myself.

There are things that I don't like about my character, they are personal to me, but they are at my core.

I'm a bit black and white on things like friendship, loyalty etc.

I am definitely moving to grey, but christ it has taken huge work.

Not there yet.

It is so SO difficult to change who you are.

For a man who has been a class A prick your whole marriage......

Who has never shown you an ounce of kindness or consideration during your most vulnerable, weakest moments after childbirth, is suddenly changing????

Is he fxxk.

Not a chance.

Please do not buy into this bullshit for one moment.

Please belive me. A selfish fxxk of 47 has zero chance of changing.

Flowers
AhNowTed · 25/07/2021 21:02

Words are easy. Easy.

OP what has he said will actually, practically change.

I've said twice now, and so have other posters.. the obvious and immediate thing he could have done to prove he is willing to step up is take the kids on the holiday.

Has he made any mention of that?

BloomingTrees · 25/07/2021 21:04

If he truly wants to change he could start by cleaning the bathroom, cooking the dinner, transferring half his money into your bank account, followed by a day out with the children so you can relax.

Is he going to actually DO anything? It doesn't sound like it.

BloomingTrees · 25/07/2021 21:06

Oh and he should be doing the above every week. It really it nothing special for a man to pull his weight.

IdblowJonSnow · 25/07/2021 21:15

He's just trying to reel you back in OP. He's had years to help and support you.
Don't let him confuse you anymore.

billy1966 · 25/07/2021 21:23

@BloomingTrees

Oh and he should be doing the above every week. It really it nothing special for a man to pull his weight.
My husband has a very senior position and he has pulled his weight every single day of our 4 children's lives.

We have been expatriate for many years and he was under so much pressure at times, BUT he NEVER didn't contribute to the workload.

The idea that a man comes home and sits on his arse whilst his wife runs around is frankly laughable.

AND I am a SAHM!!!@Cornfieldrainbows

He is so NOT normal.

Your married life was NOT normal.

You are well rid.

A prick like that has zero capacity to change.

Stay strongFlowers

AhNowTed · 25/07/2021 21:42

@billy1966 same

Together decades. Two kids,

We've both worked throughout, he earned more in the early years, and I earned more in the later years.

Everything is shared.. house, money, savings, expenditure, disposable income.

I was going to say 50/50, but that's not true. Nor should it be in an equal relationship. Both pay into the pot and have the same access to money, regardless of who earns more.

Honestly I'm not trying to be smug, this is how it should be in normal relationships.

Cornfieldrainbows · 25/07/2021 23:27

Thank you so much for the support and posts. I really need the support right now because I am finding this hard.

He has said he will stop playing golf - I told him I have no issue with him playing golf really - and I don’t. It’s healthy to have hobbies away from each other. It’s the imbalance in terms of him having all the time and me having none. But no. He wants to do it sweetheart. He wants to stop playing and spend time with his family.
He says he’s missed enough and he’s not missing a day more. I’m like 😬. I feel as though the potential is there for it to be one extreme to another.
He hasn’t mentioned taking the dc anywhere on his own.
But basically the whole thing is weird. I can’t really fathom it out. I thought he’d be angry and he’s kind of just...weird.

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TeamRick · 25/07/2021 23:54

He still thinks he's going to win you round! The anger will come when he realises he can't,
It's good you pointed out the disparity in freedoms! Say yes that's great you're going to give up golf - that means I can see my friends more. The mask will soon slip!

Shuffleuplove · 26/07/2021 00:40

Truly I do not know what you cannot fathom.

He is telling you what he thinks you want to hear. That’s all.

AhNowTed · 26/07/2021 01:26

"He says he’s missed enough and he’s not missing a day more."

Words are easy.

"He hasn’t mentioned taking the dc anywhere on his own. "

Of course he hasn't, because that's like HARD.

He's full of shit.

updownroundandround · 26/07/2021 06:20

@Cornfieldrainbows

So just the pretty words then...............sad

He is not interested in 'saving' the family, he's only interested in keeping you in your little box, so he can continue his cushy life ! sad.

Don't fall for it again !

I'm echoing Billy.

You have done the hardest part.

He is still trying to 'manage you' back into your box.

That's all he's doing.

He's not interested in the DC. He's just trying to use them to get at you.

You need to take time. He knows that by pushing you, he's far more likely to get what he wants. So he's deliberately NOT giving you time and space to think !

You honestly need to tell him ''H, I do not want to speak to you at all. I have left because our marriage is over.
You have had 12 long years to try to be a good husband and Father, and despite me telling you time and time again that I was unhappy because you were not a 'good husband' or a 'good Dad' due to your lazy and selfish behavior, YOU did NOT change your behavior.
Going forward, I have opened a new email account which you can use to discuss child access arrangements and divorce only, this is the address....................''

Be strong, because both you and your DC deserve SO much better.

updownroundandround · 26/07/2021 06:28

I've re-posted my earlier posts, because nothing has changed Sad

He's still just doing the pretty words, but NO action ! Sad

The longer you listen to his crap, the longer it will take to move past this phase.

Next, he will get angry.

He will threaten you with anything he can think of, because how dare you leave him !

But I know you will find the next phase much easier, because he will have reverted back to the H you know !

Be strong and don't believe his 'pie in the sky' promises, because they'll be broken in a couple of weeks at best. Then he'll push hard for you to either give up work or get pregnant, and if you do these things, then the real him will be back but worse than EVER, because all he wants is to punish you ! ( Even right now, during his 'pretty words' spiel, he really wants you to suffer because you dared to leave FFS)

billy1966 · 26/07/2021 07:58

He is offering nothing real just empty words.

He hasn't offered an explanation as to why he has been a heartless, selfish pig your childrens whole lives.

Because he hasn't any.

That is who he is.

Stay strong, the marriage is over.

Brace yourself then for the nasty threats to happen, suicide threats, self harm threats, anything to get you back.

Remember if he threatens to halm himself, call the police to do a "welfare check" and that will make him think twice with making threats.

Keep going, keep strong.

You think it is weird because you know it is a big bunch of lies.

He wants the public image that's all.

He has had zero interest in his children their whole lives and now he says he does.

I call complete and utter bullshit.

Keep posting.
We are here for you.
Flowers

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 26/07/2021 08:11

Agree he is full of shit and empty words

Don't fall for it

You wonder where the anger is? You know where it is, it's round the corner once you don't cave into this phase of bullshit

You and your children deserve better

Tell him emotional bank is closed

Cavagirl · 26/07/2021 08:21

He has said he will stop playing golf - I told him I have no issue with him playing golf really - and I don’t. It’s healthy to have hobbies away from each other. It’s the imbalance in terms of him having all the time and me having none. But no. He wants to do it sweetheart. He wants to stop playing and spend time with his family.
He says he’s missed enough and he’s not missing a day more.

So he thinks it's just his presence that's missing, rather than actually pulling his weight around the house and being an actual parent?

Cavagirl · 26/07/2021 08:22

Tell him emotional bank is closed

👏👏👏

Cornfieldrainbows · 26/07/2021 08:48

He just keeps saying ‘I can’t understand why I haven’t done this before.’ And also: ‘the crazy thing is I’d rather be with you and the dc than anywhere else.’

My dad has advised me allowing DH to take the children anywhere on his own, in case he doesn’t bring them back. It seems unlikely but it is possible I suppose. DH hasn’t suggested he take them anywhere mind you.

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Cornfieldrainbows · 26/07/2021 08:49

The emotional bank is closed 😂😂

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BrioLover · 26/07/2021 08:56

I think it's fairly clear at this point that your 'D'H won't actually do anything. Actions speak far louder than words and he spent his time at the weekend attempting to (creepily!) fawn over you instead of spending time with the children because he knows he needs you to continue his lifestyle.

He'll just keep coming out with this shit about not missing more and whatever, until he realises that it's not working. Then it'll be 'I can't live without you' and potentially self-harm. And then it'll be 'I'm going for 50:50 for the children and it's my house etc.'

Textbook.

Stay strong OP. You've managed to cope under the control of an awful man for so long, you can cope with this part of it too. It'll be worth it.

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