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I am so trapped

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Cornfieldrainbows · 15/07/2021 06:56

I want to leave DH but despite me being unhappy for 17 years my mum is pushing hard for me to stay because of the dc. And probably because she doesn’t want the shame of a divorced child.

She said I chose to have the dc, now it doesn’t matter if I’m happy or not. I’m really struggling. I wake in the morning feeling like I cannot breathe. My heart is racing. I’m not sleeping well, waking about 4am, and I’m not eating.
My mum keeps telling me how heartbroken the dc will be, that I will be poor, that I could lose them 50% of the time and they would hate that. That I will have no time nor money to do anything with them. That I will still be unhappy because my dc will be so unhappy.
Her answer? I wait another 13 years for dc2 to be 18. In 13 years I will be 50 and so worn down that I will have given up, if I make it that far which is debatable tbh.
We’d have to go and stay with my parents if I left DH so there’s no way of avoiding her. I hear what she’s saying and I suppose she is right. It is deeply selfish not to stay for the dc, who are happy, doing well at school and generally very settled.
I married DH partly because she wanted me to and I was young. Have I got to pay for that decision forever? It seems I have.
I cannot see a way forwards anymore. I just feel trapped. DH is slightly controlling and I am squashed, I am not who I was when we married. I was 20. He was 30. I feel I’ve changed so much and I feel this awful disconnect all the time. My mum says it’s because of covid but I felt it before that, although covid hasn’t helped.
DH isn’t a very involved father currently and never has been. All of the mental load falls on me and most of the practical stuff too. Currently he has them on his own one evening a week when I go out but only after I’ve got youngest dc to bed. Oldest dc is 11 and so not as demanding. He’s never willingly taken any of it on and he’s watched me struggle with things like the fact dc1 didn’t sleep through until he was 4 and he never once gave me a night off. It’s always ‘they settle better for you.’
He works hard, he has a good job, he does love me and the dc but I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life. I don’t feel like a person in my own right. He says the right things, for example I’ve taken a more demanding role at work with more hours and he did a lot of ‘ill support you whatever you want to do’ before I accepted. I started four months ago and in that four months he’s not practically helped me with anything. He’s not done a single school run, he’s not done anything in the house. I run my day around the children, working through lunch, rushing around, fetching them, coming back and doing another hour or so at work. Everything falls on me. I had a small crying breakdown about two months ago and he said he’d help me but nothing has changed although we now get take out or eat out once a week so I don’t have to cook.
I’m no longer attracted to him and so rarely have sex unless there’s no other option to. But it is rare. Two years and counting.
My mum says so what. If I left him I would be doing it all on my own anyway, plus the dc would be upset, plus I would be poor, she thinks it would all be worse and maybe she is right. I feel so trapped and it makes me feel like giving up. I just want to go to bed and never get back up again. I am already on antidepressants. I want to get back to a place where I feel like me again and I don’t know how to do that. I do know it hasn’t always been as awful as this with DH, I think since dc2 was born and I had PND it’s got much much worse. Mainly because he carried on totally as normal and I was barely functioning. Again he didn’t ever give me a lie in or get up at night when they were a baby. The PND hit me like a brick and I will admit since then I’ve never felt well, I’ve always felt a background level of anxiety. I can think of maybe two or three occasions since I had dc2 five years ago where I’ve not felt anxious. Unfortunately it arrived when she did, like an unwelcome additional child.

My mum thinks that’s why I don’t want to be with DH, that I’ve not recovered from the birth of dc2. I can’t imagine now ever being the person I was before I had her. I cannot imagine ever feeling optimistic or happy or even just less anxious. I get up in the mornings and wait to go back to bed. The best time of my life is when I am asleep. I just struggle through the days putting a brave face on it. I am incredibly lonely.

I love my dc so much. I don’t want to transfer this awful feeling to them. I worry that in breaking their family I will break them. I worry that my mum is right, that I am not capable of managing this. My mum never thinks I am capable of anything. When I went for this job she told me I wouldn’t cope, my children would suffer with me working more hours and I was putting my job in front of them. I spent four years as a sahp after dc2. I work my hours around them as best I can. I do everything I can to mitigate any cost to them - and yet DH just gets to do whatever he wants.

Sorry that was really long. I’m feeling desperate this morning.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/07/2021 13:59

He would be as nice as pie at present but that is really the nice part of the cycle of abuse. The cycle of abuse is a continuous one.

I would think the "nice times you had" became far less frequent over time and were all on his terms rather than anything like a joint effort.
Do not get bogged down on your sunk costs and do everything possible also to get away from your mother.

RedRedCampion · 22/07/2021 14:00

It is very hard for you, my heart goes out to you. It seems what with your mum and then your husband, you have never been able to make any choices based on what YOU want. You aren't used to choosing what you want but you do what THEY want you to do.

Bide your time, your eyes are opening to your situation and they won't be able to shut properly now!

Would it help to put a fake time frame on it?
Eg to tell your husband you need two weeks to think about it. Just to get the pressure of the holiday off you.

Keep talking here, it's a safe place for you to set out your feelings and be listened to as you never have been before.

Why not daydream a bit today and read this thread about the happy things people discovered after divorce.

Tell me one thing about your divorce which you would never have predicted
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4301710-tell-me-one-thing-about-your-divorce-which-you-would-never-have-predicted

19Bears · 22/07/2021 14:10

It is very hard for you, my heart goes out to you. It seems what with your mum and then your husband, you have never been able to make any choices based on what YOU want. You aren't used to choosing what you want but you do what THEY want you to do. @RedRedCampion

This is the very reason I am in counselling. I go with whatever everyone else wants 100% of the time, never me. It's very hard to turn that round, but small steps will get you there @Cornfieldrainbows Flowers

updownroundandround · 22/07/2021 14:16

@Cornfieldrainbows

You say he is being 'nice as pie' now ?

What does that entail exactly ?

Saying the 'right ' things ?

Or actually doing physical things like housework/childcare etc ?

For a guide to what he should be doing, please read this, and get your H to read it too. Then ask him if he's willing to do this.

If he's not willing, then you know that nothing will change, no matter how many pretty words he says to the contrary.
Because as a woman much wiser than me said If you want to do something, you'll find a way, and if you don't, you'll find an excuse !

Why I Don't Help My Wife
Recently, I invited a friend over. Sipping coffee in my living room, the conversation turned from movies and sports to life. We are both about the same age, and both have been married for about the same amount of time. As we talked, I heard the loud clamoring of the dishwasher stop as it finished its final cycle. Excusing myself, I told my friend I must put away the dishes.My friend shot me a glance: a shock of disbelief, almost defensive in posture. He told me that it's great that I help out my wife, but that he doesn't bother. “Every time I do chores,” he said, “she doesn't have an ounce of gratitude. If she's not gonna thank me for helping her out, why should I even bother?” This startled me. I'm normally not a confrontational kind of guy. I don't like to talk about politics, and I usually keep my comments to myself. But this was too much. I couldn't contain myself.“Look man, I said, I'm not 'helping her out. My wife doesn't need 'help.' She needs a partner. The two of us are a team.” He started to reply, trying to explain what he meant by the comment, but I stopped him, continuing:I don't “help” my wife clean the house. We keep our house clean because we both live here and want the house to be clean. I clean the house because it's where I live, and my wife isn't a maid, but a partner.I don't “help” my wife cook because it's not her job to cook and my job to eat. We both live here, we both need to eat, and in order for us to eat, the cooking needs to be done.I don't “help” my wife do the dishes because they're my dishes, too. I eat off them, just like her, and it's in both of our interests to have them be cleaned.I don't “help” my wife with her children because they're my children, too. They need a mother and they need a father, and raising them is both of our jobs.I don't “help” my wife clean, fold clothes, do laundry, or any other chores because they aren't only “hers,” but mine.I'm not only a “help,” a hired hand that helps my wife out on occasion in exchange for a “thank you,” a kiss, or sex. I am a part of the house.Then, I turned back to my friend, his face tense with embarrassment. I was now in my full preacher mode, and it was time to charge my audience with conviction. I asked him “do you thank your wife every time she cleans the house?” He clamored to defend himself, but I continued: “I'm not talking about a half-baked “thanks” that you mutter from across the room, but actually looking her in her eye and saying that you appreciate that she worked all day to help you take care of your home!” “Do you look her in the eye and tell her she's fantastic, beautiful, the best thing that ever happened to you and that she means the world to you?” “Do you tell her how much you love that she keeps your house clean?”You should not “help” your wife with the chores in exchange for some kind of prize. What prize does she get for helping you out? You need to get out of this “Leave it to Beaver” mentality, step out of TV Land, and step up and be a real husband.My friend stood speechless, flabbergasted, fumbling to find an excuse. I shrunk in slight embarrassment for a moment, even though I knew it had to be said.I spoke again to break the silence: “I'm just saying man, your wife doesn't owe you anything. She's not your “help,” and you should treat her like an equal partner.”Many of us were raised in home with mothers who waited on us hand in foot. We took their help for granted, because they had to raise us and take care of us. But your wife is not your mother. She's not raising you, and you're not a child. Marriage is an equal partnership. Your wife is not your mother, and she's not there to take care of you.You are there to take care of each other, to have a house together, raise children together, and form an equal partnership. That means each of you carrying your share of the load, and thanking each other for help. Macho culture would make you think that everything is your wife's job, but there's nothing macho about this. It's the behavior of a child who needs to be taken care of, not an adult who can provide in a partnership.Imagine a child who constantly demands help from his mother, constantly makes messes, and never thanks her for anything. That's basically how you act towards your wife. That might be acceptable for a young infant, but not for an adult. So thank your wife for what she does, and make sure that you carry an equal share of the load, helping her in any way possible.When you make a mess, you shouldn't expect your wife to clean it up. It's your job to clean up your own messes. You both live there, you're not “helping” her with anything because it's your home.Likewise, it's not her job to constantly cook. In my home, I always do the cooking, because I'm good at it.These “traditional” roles were sold to us by fictional television. They say nothing about the reality of marriage. If you step all over your wife like Homer Simpson, you are on a one-way street to a divorce.So to everyone out there who is concerned about their own masculinity, if you want to be a macho man, stop acting like a child and making your wife do all the work and chores. Thank her, and do your part to contribute.

billy1966 · 22/07/2021 14:23

OP,
Please just read your own posts.

They are an absolute horror story to read.

He is not a good man.

Cornfieldrainbows · 22/07/2021 15:06

He says he wants another chance to succeed and keep the family together and that we’ve too much to throw away.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/07/2021 15:23

Re your comment:-

"He says he wants another chance to succeed and keep the family together and that we’ve too much to throw away."

How many more chances does he need?. This man just wants you to fit back into his life and facilitate this further because he really does like you as his slave. He has not changed and feels sorry only for his own self, he is merely paying lip service to the issue and thinks you will fall for it. He has no respect for you or his kids whatsoever.

He is also bringing up the sunken costs fallacy here; all this about throwing relationships away is testament to that. When you do not fall for this he will then change tack and go further nasty on you. Stand firm here, do not back down. He and his behaviour towards you and in turn your kids caused you to leave.

updownroundandround · 22/07/2021 15:32

@Cornfieldrainbows

So just the pretty words then...............Sad

He is not interested in 'saving' the family, he's only interested in keeping you in your little box, so he can continue his cushy life ! Sad.

Don't fall for it again !

billy1966 · 22/07/2021 15:52

I really agree with above.

Read what YOU have written.

He hasn't shown you one moments compassion since you have had children.

He hasn't lifted a finger to help you.

He has watched you struggle and NEVER once offered you ANY help.

Not a single lie in, in ALL these years.

He is truly the most shocking excuse of a man/husband/father.

He needs to hear that you neither like nor love him.

That he has utterly killed your marriage with his utter selfishness.

You owe him absolutely NOTHING.

He has chosen himself every single time.

Read over your posts OP.

candycane222 · 22/07/2021 15:57

He might be realising what he has 'thrown away'. It doesn't sound as though there is anything that you have built between you, except your misery. Nothing good that it would benefit you to 'save'. It isn't there , except in his imagination.

I think throwing away your misery , however, would be an excellent thing to do

Cornfieldrainbows · 22/07/2021 18:15

I’ve just spoken to him and he’s desperate to go away.
He said he takes responsibility for 90% of our problems.

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MzHz · 22/07/2021 18:32

Brilliant

Now LET him go away.

Far from you.

He’s bullshitting you. He’s hoovering you up so he can hurt you again.

For men like him to replace a trained victim, they have to pretend they be decent, kind, nice people

The EFFORT it takes for people who are not nice to be nice is huge

Think about it

How hard would it be for YOU to treat ANYONE in the way he treated you?

If you let this guy back in, he’ll clamp down harder, he’ll do more damage to you and your self esteem, he’ll crush you

You will never ever be happy with him, never breathe freely. It’ll be a life of anxiety and fear.

Even if you never met another living soul, at least you’d be in a space that you controlled, where nobody is point scoring or trying to break your spirit

It was THIS thought that helped me get out and stay out

Fast forward in your head… imagine the places you can go, the people you can talk to and the things you’ll decide to do without him ruining it or making you pay for it.

Stay strong

No holiday.

MzHz · 22/07/2021 18:35

So, sorry, what I meant to add was that the reason he’s imploring you to take him back is that he can’t be bothered to have to do it all again with the next victim

You are just a tool for him to make him look better, to make himself feel better about himself

He hates women

MzHz · 22/07/2021 18:36

Please stop talking to him. Block him and take the time to see how much better you feel

billy1966 · 22/07/2021 18:45

OP, @MzHz writes such sense.

Reading your posts with absolute horror what struck me was just how difficult and determined he must be to be such a lazy, selfish bastard towards you.

In the face of the mother of his children, ill, broken, exhausted, to never once offer to share the load?

Extraordinary.

He just wants you to skivvy and be his carer for the rest of his days.

He is 47?

Let him find another victim.

You have loads of life left to live.

You owe him NOTHING.

There is NOTHING to be saved.

If you return to him, you will regret it.

He will do everything in his power to make sure you never try it again.

I know you are tired and worn out, but your life is so worth saving.

Let him go on holiday with the children.
Use that time to find a rental and move out.

Don't be bullied by this horror of a man.

Keep posting.Flowers

ravenmum · 22/07/2021 19:45

He says he always succeeds and doesn't want to fail now.
What does success mean to him? Making you stay so that his image as a successful man is not tarnished by you divorcing him?

I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life
So he's afraid of his image not being perfect, rather than being afraid to lose you and sorry that it's his own fault?

MzHz · 22/07/2021 20:00

Sadly no @billy1966,

just how difficult and determined he must be to be such a lazy, selfish bastard towards you.

THIS ^ is who he really is. This is what comes easy, this is how HE likes to be.

Cornfieldrainbows · 22/07/2021 20:08

He’s calling me sweetheart at the end of every sentence.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 22/07/2021 20:16

No doubt you are right, it just is genuinely hard to understand how he could be such a consistently awful person.
But that is who he is.
I understand.

OP, do not fall for his "sweetheart" bullshit.

He is only thinking of himself.

You are just a skivvy.
He is clearly surprised and didn't think you had it in you.

Why would you want to go back to someone who clearly never loved you but needed the box ticked?

Let him look after his children, it's so easy.

You need to get organised.Flowers

Shuffleuplove · 22/07/2021 20:38

Fuck him off sweetheart.

Get out, and stay out. No calls, no lingering looks, no messages, no memes on Facebook, cut it dead.

Fireflygal · 22/07/2021 20:41

Let him go away with the children and you stay at home and rest. Prioritise yourself for that week.

Revisit once you have space.

Cornfieldrainbows · 22/07/2021 21:18

Ds is sad. He misses all his things at home.
I’m finding this really hard. I feel like I’m damaging the dc.

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Shuffleuplove · 22/07/2021 21:39

Oh Ffs.

toolazytothinkofausername · 22/07/2021 22:07

Your DC are not being damaged.

Seriously, do you want to give him a second chance? Would he be willing to help out in the house and go to marriage counselling?

There is nothing wrong with wanting to give your marriage a second go if that is what you want.

If you don't want to be with him ever again, stay strong!!! You can do this!

shakeitoffshakeacocktail · 22/07/2021 22:58

He has it just how he wants it.

Why would he change? He doesn't want to help you or make your life easier.

He will say he loves you and can't imagine his life without you. Too fucking right, he'd get a right shock if he was in charge of his own home and children for more than a day, let alone adding divorced to his life story.

You are a side note in the story of his life. Turn the page and make your own life about you. You only get one chance. Think if the great example you are setting for your children by showing them how to be brave and strong by leaving bad situations.

If your child was grown up living your life would you be satisfied for them?

Btw your mother sounds self absorbed and wanting an easy life. Does your father live with her?

You can't sacrifice yourself any longer. You will truly traumatise your kids if your mental health gets any worse.

Missing your things or having divorced parents isn't really that traumatising

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