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DP told me a woman came onto him

118 replies

Sacriptiq · 27/06/2021 20:22

I've name changed for this.

dp went out with a few friends yesterday. Today, he told me that a one of his friends Friends came onto him and asked him back to hers, he said he said no. Apparently, she carried on flirting with him and when he was leaving he said she touched his him ‘there’. He told me that he ignored her and left anyway. He did come back early and he wasn't very drunk.

I'm a bit annoyed though, why didn't he leave when she asked him back? Or when she started flirting with him? Would you be annoyed?

OP posts:
Sn0tnose · 28/06/2021 08:24

I haven't told him I'm annoyed, and I'm more annoyed at her than I am at him. I'm just slightly annoyed at him staying when she was flirting with him etc.

You’re on a night out with your friends. Some bloke tries chatting you up. You then need to put your coat on, say goodbye to your friends and go home or your DH will be annoyed with you. Do you see how absolutely insane this sounds? Your DH has been sexually assaulted and your response is to be a bit miffed at him because he didn’t leave before she had a chance to do it? That is victim blaming.

Pulloverjumperorsweater · 28/06/2021 08:26

Speak to your DH. I don’t know why you wouldn’t tell him how you feel since you’re married.

CommanderBurnham · 28/06/2021 08:34

It sounds as though he behaved appropriately on the face of it.

I think you're being unreasonable for expecting him to leave immediately.

Put yourself in his shoes. He's having a perfectly good time and some drunken member of his group embarrasses themselves. He makes it clear that it's not on. It's awkward. So he dismisses it as quickly as possible and carries on enjoying the evening.

It's good that he told you. I would have asked questions like who is she? Was she just drunk or does she have a crush on you? What did your colleagues say etc.

I'd keep an eye though. It may not be for altruistic reasons that he told you. He could be worried that his colleagues might mention it to you or you might hear a different version of the story

Nonmaquillee · 28/06/2021 08:36

Why should he have left early because of an annoying woman?

As a woman, I don’t leave parties etc if an annoying man comes onto me. I just walk away.

You should save your annoyance for her, not him. Poor bloke.

ChuckNoWorriesMyWay · 28/06/2021 08:42

No I wouldn't be annoyed.

He shouldn't have to leave early because of an annoying women.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 28/06/2021 09:01

The real question is why did he tell her

Because they are husband and wife and they talk to each other?
Jeez, some people.
DH has told me of a couple of occasions he has had unpleasant experiences - having his bum pinched, a woman sexy dancing and putting her hands on him. We talk to each other about things that happen to us, so it would be odd (and maybe suspicious) not to mention these things.
I told him I was honked at while out walking the other day. I wasn't "covering my back" or "getting my story in first".

Dervel · 28/06/2021 09:09

I’m a bloke and I would agree 100% about there not being the same kind of physical threat. However rebutting a woman’s advances isn’t entirely without risk, they can set about annihilating you socially. I was also woken up of a morning in my student days with one girl’s very angry and aggrieved bf who had been spun a line about the nature of an interaction we’d had.

However I think I can empathise with the OP’s unease. Given it is still comparatively uncommon for women to make the first move, and when they do it’s usually because there have been significant non-verbal cues. We men can be a little bit dense about these depending on age/ relative experience. So I would imagine what’s running through the OP’s mind is simply what indicators may he have been giving off that gave the idea she could chance her arm, and if yes were they conscious?

I used to be famous for this sort of thing in my youth even when I was single, I’d have no idea, and when I was in a committed relationship even less so. One of my friends used to joke she couldn’t leave me alone for 5mins before she’d find me being chatted up by some girl or another. Thing is I just like people, and honestly I’ve never been exactly an oil painting so if a girl approaches me especially if she was a pretty one her being into me would be the last thing on my mind.

Sometimes that’s a dangerous blind spot as things can be escalating without even realising it, and it’s recipe for things getting awkward really quickly. I’ve never had my crotch grabbed but several times women have grabbed my arse, or just kissed me out of nowhere, and actually it’s really not nice if you aren’t “there” emotionally or physically with them, but we are supposed to just laugh it off.

I don’t think the OP is at all unreasonable to be feeling the way she is feeling at all, ok if it launches off into jealous/controlling behaviour that would be another thing, but personally if she was my wife and she had any frustration or question about my behaviour in an interaction like this I’d want to know about it and do my level best to put her mind at rest. NOT out of any sense of guilt necessarily, but because I would respect her feelings, and that has to include negative ones as well as positive ones. I wouldn’t necessarily interpret how she is feeling as an attack on my character/intentions. Simply that I’d told her an deeply unpleasant and awkward experience, and that she had questions about it.

Personally I’d want to have the conversation, and address anything that came up. Maybe there was an element where I’m somehow responsible, and I would want to correct any such behaviour pretty bloody quickly!

MobyDicksTinyCanoe · 28/06/2021 09:57

deydodo my dp has been groped in front of our dc. He squatted down to tie a shoelace and a woman who was out with a group of others came over, forced her hand between his legs and grabbed his crotch.

To top it all when he jumped up and pushed her away / said what the fuck do you think you're doing? He got accused of over reacting, then assault and a bunch of guys who came over to investigate the noise threatened him.

Drink does weird things to people. And if they cant control their behavior when they're pissed they shouldn't be around normal people.

SingingInTheShithouse · 28/06/2021 10:04

Confused would you think you had to come home immediately on a night out if a guy came onto you ?

Why is it DHs fault to manage a pushy woman's behaviour? Would it be your responsibility to sort out a pests pushy behaviour, or the pest himself 🤷‍♀️

I'm also Confused at the number of people questioning why he told you

Mine does this, but purely because he's honest, doesn't feel comfortable keeping things from me & is often a bit bemused at just how pushy some people can be even when told, "no, I'm happily married"

Doesn't sound like your DH did any wrong, the woman did though & if she was someone on my radar, I'd be having a serious word with her. The CF Hmm

ThanksIGotItInMorrisons · 28/06/2021 10:19

Nope. He has no control
Over her.

Thinkingoutsidethebox · 28/06/2021 10:35

The theory about him providing you with a narrative only works if there were others present who are likely to tell you their version of what they saw. Think who else was present at the time. If one of your close friends had been present, then it would be sensible for him to convey a narrative to you as soon as possible as he'd know that your friend would likely tell you what they saw.
If there was nobody there who would be likely to grass him up to you then it is much more likely that his description of events is the truth. And if it's the truth, you should not be annoyed at him not leaving when she started flirting.

PerciphonePuma · 28/06/2021 10:41

@Aquamarine1029

I'd be wondering why he told you. What point is he trying to make?
So you'd rather your partner kept it from you?! He was being honest.

Sometimes I think men can't do right for doing wrong

PerciphonePuma · 28/06/2021 10:43

@thedancingbear

So someone you love was sexually harassed and later sexually assaulted.

And you’re really cross at them for the way they’ve responded to that.

Is that right, OP? If not, which bit is wrong?

What a load of victim blaming shit

Sexually harassed? I'm not defending this woman, but asking him back to her place does not constitute sexual harassment!! Touching him in the crotch is arguably sexual assault yes, but asking someone out is NOT sexual harassment ffs! 🙄😂
PerciphonePuma · 28/06/2021 10:46

@ShiteningMcQueen

He's getting his side of the story out there first and painting himself as a victim. He left his mates because he and this woman went off together somewhere and he couldn't find them afterwards and so came home.
You've just made that up! How is that helpful at all? Just plain inflammatory
PerciphonePuma · 28/06/2021 10:52

@Dervel

I’m a bloke and I would agree 100% about there not being the same kind of physical threat. However rebutting a woman’s advances isn’t entirely without risk, they can set about annihilating you socially. I was also woken up of a morning in my student days with one girl’s very angry and aggrieved bf who had been spun a line about the nature of an interaction we’d had.

However I think I can empathise with the OP’s unease. Given it is still comparatively uncommon for women to make the first move, and when they do it’s usually because there have been significant non-verbal cues. We men can be a little bit dense about these depending on age/ relative experience. So I would imagine what’s running through the OP’s mind is simply what indicators may he have been giving off that gave the idea she could chance her arm, and if yes were they conscious?

I used to be famous for this sort of thing in my youth even when I was single, I’d have no idea, and when I was in a committed relationship even less so. One of my friends used to joke she couldn’t leave me alone for 5mins before she’d find me being chatted up by some girl or another. Thing is I just like people, and honestly I’ve never been exactly an oil painting so if a girl approaches me especially if she was a pretty one her being into me would be the last thing on my mind.

Sometimes that’s a dangerous blind spot as things can be escalating without even realising it, and it’s recipe for things getting awkward really quickly. I’ve never had my crotch grabbed but several times women have grabbed my arse, or just kissed me out of nowhere, and actually it’s really not nice if you aren’t “there” emotionally or physically with them, but we are supposed to just laugh it off.

I don’t think the OP is at all unreasonable to be feeling the way she is feeling at all, ok if it launches off into jealous/controlling behaviour that would be another thing, but personally if she was my wife and she had any frustration or question about my behaviour in an interaction like this I’d want to know about it and do my level best to put her mind at rest. NOT out of any sense of guilt necessarily, but because I would respect her feelings, and that has to include negative ones as well as positive ones. I wouldn’t necessarily interpret how she is feeling as an attack on my character/intentions. Simply that I’d told her an deeply unpleasant and awkward experience, and that she had questions about it.

Personally I’d want to have the conversation, and address anything that came up. Maybe there was an element where I’m somehow responsible, and I would want to correct any such behaviour pretty bloody quickly!

Wow! Are you single & looking by any chance?! 😉☺️
toodlepipsqueaks · 28/06/2021 10:53

Hi OP - what's annoying you about the fact that he stayed on? Are you concerned he was entertaining the attention (even if he wouldn't act on it), which is a bit disloyal? Or are you satisfied he brushed her off but think it would have still been better for him to remove himself from the situation?

JustAnotherOldMan · 28/06/2021 11:07

I think a lot of men would probably tell their partners, but in kind of anecdotal manner as in “you will never guess what happened last night when I was out with xxxx”

That would be then become a story that gets retold every time the guy meets the same group of friends
“ do you remember when we were out with blah blah and some woman tried to chat him up and grabbed him “ etc
That’s certainly how it would work for my friends

2021DNA · 28/06/2021 11:20

He told her because he knows she’s paranoid and if she heard one of his friends mention something about a woman that hit on him she would be a quivering wreck on the floor for days.

thedancingbear · 28/06/2021 11:39

Touching him in the crotch is arguably sexual assault yes, but asking someone out is NOT sexual harassment ffs!

Next time some random comes up to you and unwantedly grabs your vagina, come back here and tell us whether that is arguably sexually assault or not.

You've got to love people who stick up for sex offenders, eh, @PerciphonePuma?

Onthedunes · 28/06/2021 11:39

@2021DNA paranoid?

Ok, flip it.
His wife had gone out and a man was chatting her up to the point that he asked his wife to go back to his house for the evening.

She declined but still carried on speaking to the man who was flirting with her, he then touched her innapropropriately.

Do you think the husband would have been annoyed for her not distancing herself from the flirting man?
Wrong and double standards but I bet there would be little sympathy for the wife from the husband if she has not closed it down sooner.

This is how op feels, she believes her husband could have shut it down sooner, he didn't so now she is worried about his intent.

2021DNA · 28/06/2021 11:44

@Onthedunes

*His wife had gone out and a man was chatting her up to the point that he asked his wife to go back to his house for the evening.

She declined but still carried on speaking to the man who was flirting with her, he then touched her innapropropriately.

Do you think the husband would have been annoyed for her not distancing herself from the flirting man?*

I’m just so grateful that my husband isn’t a victim blamer.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/06/2021 11:48

[quote Onthedunes]@2021DNA paranoid?

Ok, flip it.
His wife had gone out and a man was chatting her up to the point that he asked his wife to go back to his house for the evening.

She declined but still carried on speaking to the man who was flirting with her, he then touched her innapropropriately.

Do you think the husband would have been annoyed for her not distancing herself from the flirting man?
Wrong and double standards but I bet there would be little sympathy for the wife from the husband if she has not closed it down sooner.

This is how op feels, she believes her husband could have shut it down sooner, he didn't so now she is worried about his intent.[/quote]
I'm very grateful my partner wouldn't feel that way and would understand how difficult it can be sometimes if someone isn't getting that you're not interested and continues to make you feel uncomfortable, often with words and touches that are totally unwelcome but hidden in plain sight in a group setting. This is very victim blamey. I often agree with your points on here but I think on this one you're way off what is normal in a healthy relationship.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 28/06/2021 11:56

Do you think the husband would have been annoyed for her not distancing herself from the flirting man?

I think some men would, and we'd call them controlling or jealous if it was posted on here.

Onthedunes · 28/06/2021 12:00

I am not victim blaming, I am stating if it was the other way round a husband would be concerned for a wifes safety in this situation if switched.

I would tell my daughter the same, to close it down move away if someone was coming on too strong, she knows the signs and keeps herself safe.

Men are not as concerned with safety but they can close things down and I think op is concerned that he could have closed it down sooner.

@youvegottenminuteslynn don't worry I enjoy debate and don't mind being wrong.
Ps. I will never forget the Spanish Imposition, the greatest joke I've ever heard on MN. Grin

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/06/2021 12:23

@Onthedunes

I am not victim blaming, I am stating if it was the other way round a husband would be concerned for a wifes safety in this situation if switched.

I would tell my daughter the same, to close it down move away if someone was coming on too strong, she knows the signs and keeps herself safe.

Men are not as concerned with safety but they can close things down and I think op is concerned that he could have closed it down sooner.

@youvegottenminuteslynn don't worry I enjoy debate and don't mind being wrong.
Ps. I will never forget the Spanish Imposition, the greatest joke I've ever heard on MN. Grin

You didn't say it was a safety or concern issue though and I think that's what sounded troubling, you said it was

Do you think the husband would have been annoyed for her not distancing herself from the flirting man? Wrong and double standards but I bet there would be little sympathy for the wife from the husband if she has not closed it down sooner.

Making it about being annoyed / no sympathy.

Haha I had forgotten about that - it really was an excellent joke. My greatest work arguably.