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Is it me? Is it him? It has been a while.

105 replies

Itsbeenalongwhile · 19/06/2021 14:00

Longstanding member, NC for this thread.
Apologies this may be long.

We met online 7 months ago. We clicked from the start and were constantly in contact a few times each day. And after a month of texts, calls and video calls we met up face to face.
I am 44 and he is 50. We both have DC. We both have very good jobs. We live 1 hour 15mins apart. I have been separated 2 years & 8 months. He has been separated 14 months.

After a few weeks, we got intimate. He has ED but we still have a very fulfilling time. He is an excellent and generous lover.

We used to talk alot, laugh a lot and chat about various things. Over time, as we were now intimate, the less we chatted about other stuff and the more time we spent being intimate. I would try to get us doing other stuff and he also said he wanted us to do other things together - watch movies, cook, go to the park, dine out but he always said we have so little time to spend together that he didn't want to waste it on mundane things and we would end up being intimate. He was always affectionate. He has been saying he loves me.

Then a lady he met online and wanted to date but she decided to go with another guy after they had met face to face, got back in touch because she and her guy had broken up.
He said he wanted to be friends with her. He invited her to his home in the evening, they had coffee together then went on a long walk (2.5hours) together, got back went and bought fish and chips, brought it back to his around 9:00pm had dinner and she left his around 11pm. I didn't hear from him that day.

He would not go for walks with me because he felt uncomfortable to be seen in his town with another woman. The day before he went on that long walk, he was feeling upset with his ex and I was meant to come and stay over to be with him. He cancelled saying that my being there would not make him happy.

I told him I was not comfortable with this friendship but he insisted and said he needed to build a support network. His marriage had been very controlling, it made him very ill physically.

He met up with this lady friend of his again another day. I didn't hear from him that day. I messaged him later that night to find out how he was and how their meeting up went.
He responded by saying he felt controlled by me, he felt he had to explain himself and his friendships to me, he couldn't continue to walk on eggshells around me, he said all I wanted was sex (we weren't really doing PIV, he has ED), that he wanted a proper relationship and that his instincts are telling him we aren't right for each other.
I was taken aback and really upset. It was such a 180° from the conversations we were having the day before where he said he wanted to be my rock, to be the person I turn to for support and advice.

My understanding from that message was that he was ending things. I called him to chat and understand what has gone on. We talked for a bit and I called him out on the false things he had said. He said he needed a few days to think. I didn't hear back from him for 3 days, by then though I was really upset, I had made my peace with it and messaged him to ask for my stuff that was at his place and wish him all the best. He replied that he would bring them to me and would like to chat.

We met up, he apologised for how unfair he had been to me, how poorly he had handled things and explained that his instincts are messed up, his history has got him being suspicious of everyone but he knew that it was not easy to meet someone you have a strong connection with and get on with so well. Long story short, I collected my stuff from him but I decided to give it another go.

Since then as much as I have tried to get us do non-sexual activities, he will be eager to do the activities but he still tries to steer things to intimacy. He is less affectionate, he doesn't get in touch like previously but he will message a good morning and a good night, he doesn't make a lot of effort to make arrangements to meet up and he has stopped saying 'I love you'. But when we do get to speak on calls, he will chat away as he has always done and is forthcoming with what he has been upto, he will tell me I look nice etc. He will still try to turn the chat sexual. I don't follow him when he does that. We met up recently for after work drinks and dinner after not seeing each other for over a week and I told him I was so looking forward to seeing him. I asked how much he was looking forward to seeing me and he said 7/10. I felt that was a low score.

I was never much of a dater before I married and I married the 3rd person I ever dated. And that was a long time ago. I feel poorly equipped to understand what is going on here.

I feel like the relationship is regressing..i miss how we used to be... I feel like something is off.
Or is this the normal course of relationships? Is he leading me on? Are we just sex buddies? Or am I expecting too much from a relationship?
Please, give me your thoughts.
Thank you if you managed to get to the end.

OP posts:
Sandra15 · 21/06/2021 10:16

@timeisnotaline

He's been on a fucking date whilst seeing you and somehow managed to get you to feel that this was vaguely acceptable. not only this but also it’s a date he wouldn’t go on with you (yes fine he did afterwards when blind freddy could see what a hypocrite he is but would you really count that?) , and you pushed for going out and spending more socialising time together but he didn’t go along with it. Then he blamed you for too much sex focus, I mean this hypocrite is so lacking in self awareness he probably doesn’t recognise his own face in a mirror.
Soft Mick and Stevie Wonder could also see what a wankfox he is!
Sandra15 · 21/06/2021 10:33

Put this as your ringtone for him, if you don't want to block him for now, so you will know not to answer it and have a laugh in the process.

RedRec · 21/06/2021 11:09

A "woman of substance" ffs.
OP, you have shown here that you are such a woman! He doesn't deserve you. Wishing you all the best as you bin him off x

vivainsomnia · 21/06/2021 11:37

He likes you and find you attractive but something is missing and he isn't in love with you.

He wants her but she doesn't seem to be attracted to him.

The consolation is that she seems to be playing him just as much as he is playing you.

Cockenspiel · 21/06/2021 13:47

Giant Flapping Red Flags List:

  • Love-bombing at the start of the relationship.
  • Making ‘friends’ with a new female he met through OLD whilst in a new relationship with you.
  • The 7/10 remark. Look up ‘negging’.
  • Continual blame shifting when his shit behaviour is highlighted.
  • Projection: calling you controlling, when he is manipulating and controlling you.

You should consider focusing on getting over the ‘idea’ of him, rather than ‘him’ as he isn’t the person he pretended to be. The mask has well abs truly slipped and he’s using you as narc supply now.

The only way you can deal with a narc is to ignore them / cut them off. Anything else, any calls, messages and contact will be a source of narc supply to him.

Carbara · 21/06/2021 18:39

Your posts are all obsessively focussed on him. He said, he thinks, he wants, he doesn’t want, he can’t, he, he, he, he. Who fucking cares about this bog standard dime-a-dozen bloke? Cock is abundant and of low value, dump this one and don’t give him a second thought.

ChristmasFluff · 21/06/2021 20:07

He wasn't 'being honest', he was triangulating you (and would be doing the same to her, if he thought he could get away with it), and trying to get you to do the 'pick-me' dance.

Horrible vile man. He'd bring you nothing but misery - it took him less than 6 months to do that.

Itsbeenalongwhile · 26/06/2021 19:46

Thanks, everyone for the advice. I have been quiet because of work and trying to build up courage.
He contacted me on Monday, to ask for advice. He didn't sound good. We met up. He says I give very good advice even though it irks him when he knows I am right. He was really stressed and not in a good place, so I didn't bring up our 'relationship'. He has a hearing coming up next week, so he is very anxious and down.
He was very loving and caring and pushed to know when we can meet up again. We agreed on 3 days later. I thought I could speak with him then. I know that was a poor decision but made sense at the time. His communication started to tail off Wednesday morning.

He cancelled on me the morning of the day we were meant to meet up - Thursday. He explained he had to prepare for his hearing and was getting help with this that evening, he explained he is very stressed and worried and his mind is just filled with the up coming hearing. He has his DC this weekend. I have not heard from him since the morning he cancelled.
It is clear that he is not that into me. Or would the worry of his upcoming court date really stop him from saying hello? If I were important to him, would he not want to seek me out for comfort or to lean on me to talk to?
I appreciate all the advice I have received here. So helpful and supportive. I know I can't ghost him or end it by text. I prefer to do it face to face.

OP posts:
montysma1 · 26/06/2021 20:16

Seriously?
Just get Mug tattooed on your head.
All that good advice....

Itsbeenalongwhile · 26/06/2021 20:41

Bit harsh but i guess it does comes across like that.
All the advice has certainly helped me. Definitely not wasted, I know everyone is right. I know he is not that in to me. I just could not say 'we are over' in reply to his being in distress and asking for advice. And I definitely kept it non-physical.

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billy1966 · 26/06/2021 20:57

@montysma1

Seriously? Just get Mug tattooed on your head. All that good advice....
OP, Help yourself. Please. You deserve better. Unbelievable that you wouldn't think he isn't a using waster. Life is so bloody short. 🤷🏻‍♀️
PunishmentSnart · 26/06/2021 21:43

I know he said his ex was controlling but he sounds like the controlling one. He’s keeping you in the wings and knowing you are sat round waiting for him and dropping you at the last minute seems very controlling.
Dump him - no sex and also no proper communication, this isn’t a relationship.

You sound lovely and deserve so much better Flowers

timeisnotaline · 27/06/2021 01:38

You certainly can tell him over the phone or message. You do not have to wait until he deigns to meet with you. What if that were months away, given you’re not a priority? He only met you this week as he could use you.

GammyLeg · 27/06/2021 01:47

It’s been seven months - of course you can dump him by text. In fact that would be preferable as he won’t be able to talk you round.

He’s completely disregarded your feelings, in fact he hasn’t showed you he cares at all so you don’t owe him face to face

AmberIsACertainty · 27/06/2021 02:26

would the worry of his upcoming court date really stop him from saying hello? If I were important to him, would he not want to seek me out for comfort or to lean on me to talk to?

Don't let him do this! You're not a free therapist. You're mistaking using you for wanting you. You're not strong enough to resist his bollocks stories and 'damsel in distress' routine, to be fair these people can be so manipulative it can be hard for anyone to resist their bollocks. So don't have contact with him ever again, for any reason, just delete and block. He's not treating you with decency so he doesn't deserve it in return. You need to cease contact to protect yourself. He'll know it's over when he can't get hold of you, and he won't be surprised because he knows full well that how he's treating you is wrong and bad.

1forAll74 · 27/06/2021 02:43

I don't know what his mindset is regarding relationships,or how he really views women, but he sure is a bit screwed up and odd for a man of 50. I would not even entertain a man like this, who comes out with a load of blurb and rubbish all the time. He sounds weak minded, and he should stay away from intelligent women.

Susannahmoody · 27/06/2021 02:53

Don't bother giving the dumping any consideration. Just block him. He's been on a fucking date whilst seeing you and somehow managed to get you to feel that this was vaguely acceptable.

^

Do this.

Who gives a shit if he's in 'distress'? What is he, a lady in waiting or something??

FetchezLaVache · 28/06/2021 12:25

I feel like the relationship is regressing..i miss how we used to be... I feel like something is off.

No, this is the normal progress of a relationship with an abusive man like that. He reels you in with the love bombing, then once he is confident of you he can start to relax and let his true colours slip. But he will chuck you the odd crumb so you think you're getting back to how you used to be - he'll do this just enough to keep you around.

The thing that's off is your self respect. That's loud and clear from every post. Why did you meekly accept being told he couldn't be seen out walking with you, his established girlfriend, because he had recently been out walking with someone he'd just met off the Internet? You have a very low bar for how you expect to be treated by a boyfriend.

As someone who has dated a lot, my general advice would be to walk away as soon as it dawns on you that a man has stopped saying I love you. Nothing good can ever come of that relationship; stop wasting your time.

Itsbeenalongwhile · 28/06/2021 14:14

It's pointless to clarify now but he said he could not be seen out walking with me when we started meeting up face to face before the friend came back on the scene.

After the walk with his friend, we have been out walking a couple of times in his town.

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Itsbeenalongwhile · 28/06/2021 14:24

Trying to clarify certain things is pointless anyway now because it is clear he was not that into me.
I have broken it off with him. He looked genuinely so hurt and was sincerely surprised.
He later sent me a beautiful message apologising we did not work out, he loved me, that I am beautiful and kind, he did imagine a future with me, he still cares about me and wishes me well for the future.
I feel so lost.
I just hurt everywhere.

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workshy44 · 28/06/2021 14:29

Oh god, don't get sucked back in. He just wants you as a fall back option and an ego boost. As soon as someone better comes along he will be off. he has made that perfectly clear.
I don't think you should date anyone until you work on yourself first. He actually started dating someone else while seeing you and didn't even bother to hide it. He must of thought you were completely desperate for him and could get away with anything
You sound lovely, you really do deserve someone far better than this navel gazing , self absorbed twat !

Itsbeenalongwhile · 28/06/2021 14:51

@workshy44 No, not getting back with him.

I know it is pretty clear cut to others not involved. And maybe MNers can't see why I should have any feelings any longer. It is quite clear to me also that's why I ended it but I have feelings for him.

I care about him a lot. I fell in love with him. He is funny, can be playful, up for a laugh, can be so caring and nurturing, he actually listened when I spoke, couldn't chat with me enough, always wanted to see me face to face or video call, we just got on so well. Well, he was all those.
I am just hurting.
That's all.
Not going back to him.

OP posts:
AmberIsACertainty · 28/06/2021 15:39

You'll be ok. You need to grieve the relationship even if you were in love with a fantasy version that doesn't exist. Logic and feelings they're like a parallel universe. Your head and your heart. You can know what's right but still feel something else. So long as you're thinking with your head you'll be fine. Those feelings will fade the longer you're away from him, the passage of time lets you see the truth without your heart blinding you.

GentlemanJay · 28/06/2021 15:52

Run!

GentlemanJay · 28/06/2021 15:55

When he said he was "building his support network" did he manage to keep a straight face? I've never heard it called that before. Lol.

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